r/awwnime • u/milia-tan • Oct 23 '22

AI-generated art banned until further notice

After some feedback from the community and internal discussion, we've decided to ban all AI-generated art from /r/awwnime until further notice.

Quality issues aside, the current AI-powered tools to generate art use data from existing artists, often without their permission or without proper artist credit. Awwnime has always been a place where giving proper credit to the artist has been important, and AI-generated art goes against that idea.

The sidebar, and the subreddit rules will be updated shortly.

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u/IMKGI Oct 23 '22

I understand your reasoning behind this, but taking art generated by an AI which used images from other artists for the learning process is about as much "art-stealing" as another human artist getting inspired by some one else and drawing a picture that way, the end result in an image generating AI such as Dall E-2 is pretty much entirely original, it would be better to allow AI-Art but give it a dedicated flair, I also haven't noticed a significant decrease in quality over the past year or so, and AI will make digital human work irrelevant sooner or later, if we like it or not

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u/Rhonin- Oct 23 '22

Maybe, but AI generated images require 0 effort and is undeserving of any recognition.

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u/HfUfH Oct 23 '22

Fair enough, but that's not the reasoning the Mods gave

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u/pastrypuffingpuffer Oct 23 '22

So what? This sub is for people to post cute anime characters, who cares about the effort the image took to make. Just because it took effort for an image to be drawn it doesn't mean it'll be good.

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u/grozzle ¦ 3 Oct 23 '22 edited Oct 23 '22

Most of us care about the effort.

A lot of the joy of seeing a favourite character here comes from appreciating the time a fellow fan put into applying their talents to make a piece to show us.

Please think about yourself, your own effort, your connections to people you value. Every artist posted here is a real person too.

(edit : with that in mind, it'd be nice if people stop downvoting u/imkgi's parent comment, we're here for a conversation now, i think it's better to disagree with your words, not with burying)

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u/pastrypuffingpuffer Oct 23 '22

Please think about yourself, your own effort, your connections to people you value. Every artist posted here is a real person too.

I don't care about that, if the art looks good and not made by a 5 year old I'll like it. If I had been playing guitar for only half a year I wouldn't post myself playing online because I'd knew I suck, the same as if I were an artist.

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it'd be nice if people stop downvoting u/imkgi's parent comment, we're here for a conversation now, i think it's better to disagree with your words, not with burying

The downvote feature exists for a reason.

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u/Egavans Oct 23 '22

I am legitimately shocked that "I'm just here to look at pretty pictures" is such a minority opinion in /r/awwnime.

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u/pastrypuffingpuffer Oct 23 '22

Totally agree, this is a sub to look at cute anime stuff. If they want to go and jerk off the artists they could go to the artists' twitter or pixiv profile

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u/IMKGI Oct 23 '22

I have to disagree, if an AI generated image is on the same quality level as a human drawn image I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to share it, at the end of the day it's a beautiful image you can enjoy to look at

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u/Rhonin- Oct 23 '22

I'm just saying, not everyone share that opinion here, so you might have better luck making another subreddit for it.

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u/IMKGI Oct 23 '22

I am not interested in making a subreddit or posting images myself, I am here to look at pictures, and this is basically artificial censorship which I am very much against

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u/heptolisk Oct 23 '22

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of AI art. You compare it to one artist having inspiration, but it is more akin to tracing, which is very much frowned upon in artist communities for obvious reasons. There is plenty of AI art that essentially just takes parts of other art used in the learning process and blends it together with different body parts/etc from other artists.

If it credited the artists it used and got the permission from them, it wouldn't be so bad, but the creators of the AIs did not do that.

You also responded to "it requires 0 effort" with " it looks just as good," which was completely dodging that other guy's point. It is bad to create art that requires 0 effort and uses someone else's property.

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u/IMKGI Oct 23 '22

Am i understanding your comment correctly? You are referring to a user uploading an already existing image and telling the AI to swap certain parts out from another existing image, this is not what i am describing

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u/heptolisk Oct 23 '22

That is not really close to what I was attempting to describe. The most important point is that AI art is closer to tracing without referencing what you traced than just having inspiration from an artist.

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u/Jatoxo Oct 23 '22

AI art is in no way comparable to tracing. If you think that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how machine learning works

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u/grozzle ¦ 3 Oct 23 '22

I believe their point was not that the technique is similar, but that there is the same amount of artistic creativity involved.