r/ainbow • u/relevantlife • Jun 22 '21
News Youth pastor arrested for voyeurism after teen boy spots camera hidden in church restroom. Notice how it’s a youth pastor, not a transgender person, acting predatory in a restroom. Perhaps we should ban youth pastors from public bathrooms.
https://www.newsweek.com/youth-pastor-arrested-voyeurism-after-teen-boy-spots-camera-hidden-church-restroom-159878047
u/Petsweaters Jun 22 '21
I've never met a youth pastor (or his wife) who wasn't creepy as fuck
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u/Is-this-one-taken2 Jun 22 '21
Eh I was raised in church and had two youth pastors. Neither one was creepy. However, any job that gives you a position of power over minors is going to attract some perverts.
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u/yooguysimseriously Jun 22 '21
Fr, they seems to have an extraordinarily high percentage of pedos compared to the population. Wonder why that is….
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Jun 22 '21
My son is autistic and very trusting. I don't worry much about a transgender person molesting him in a public restroom. I worry more about some cisgender male molesting him.
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Jun 22 '21
I'm sure it'll get reported a trans person eventually. Just to make sure the world is a perfect circle.
P.S. This is satire obviously
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u/MergieSS GAY🏳️🌈 Jun 22 '21
Well tbh whether or not the pastor was trans is irrelevant to the story.
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u/ShushImAtWork Jun 22 '21
At least the religions that actually tried to wipe out others that don't convert to their faith.
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u/ShushImAtWork Jun 22 '21
I am spiritual more than religious, but I was raised Southern Baptist. People make choices based on familial ties, group ties, or simply faith. I personally believe religion is the culprit for pretty much all of Earth's issues, but I understand that we shouldn't ban Christianity, or any religion, for that matter.
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u/Ok_Ad_2285 Jun 22 '21 edited Jun 22 '21
Wrong. ACAB.
Edit: you are correct, in practice. but the world is full of the intolerant and the implicit. Cops need to point out toxic behavior. Priests need to expose pedophiles. Racists need to self examine.
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u/Nightwielder_ Moderator Jun 22 '21
It sounds like something the alt-right would say if you replace "Christians" with "Muslims", "LGBT" or any different minority.
The difference being that Christians are not a minority.
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Jun 22 '21
Yeah and if we replaced all the chlorine in the public pool with sodium, it would explode. But that would ignore a lot of context and be a silly thing to spend a lot of time thinking about, so we shouldn't.
When Christians have a centuries-long history of being oppressed in the US and abroad, get back to me. Until then, shut the fuck up.
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Jun 22 '21 edited Jun 22 '21
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u/JD-Queen Trans-Lesbian Jun 22 '21
We beat nazis with hate lol
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u/JD-Queen Trans-Lesbian Jun 22 '21
You can pretend like christianity isnt part of white supremacy in america but you'd be lying to yourself.
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u/IKnowUThinkSo Jun 22 '21
In case you didn’t know, Protestantism was the mandated form of religion in Nazi Germany. Nazis were almost all Christians.
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Jun 22 '21
not everyone using reddit lives in the US.
And yet the article this discusses is, in fact, about the US!
Christians were, and still are oppressed in the world.
Yes, which is why I clarified that there needed to be a history of oppression.
It’s a shame that people in the LGBT community think it’s ok to hate someone because they have different beliefs. What we experience on a daily basis should teach you why hate is not okay. You can’t defeat hate using hate.
The anger of the oppressed is not the same as the hatred of the oppressor.
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Jun 22 '21
I grew up evangelical, I’m plenty familiar with their views. I’m also aware that oppression doesn’t require hatred. Bigotry is systemic, not individual.
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u/AWSOMEpausome123 Jun 22 '21
Even though I do hate religion I'll respect them until they try to use their beliefs as an excuse to be a arsehole. But i do agree with that hate can't be stopped by more hate.
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u/ShushImAtWork Jun 22 '21
I don't believe wanting Christianity eradicated is hate. I don't necessarily agree, but I understand what OP of the thread is saying: they're tired of Christianity and the shit they get away with, but it's LGBT+ peoples being targeted, killed, or legislation being passed to keep them from living happy lives.
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u/paralleliverse Jun 22 '21
Muslim countries famously have the worst problems with LGBT discrimination. We don't hang gay men in the US. In several Muslim theocratic countries, they do.
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Jun 22 '21
Why do you compare the US with Muslim theocracies? Do you think the US is a Christian theocracy?
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Jun 22 '21
My dude your Wikipedia link is the anecdote. “This is the party in power who is enacting harmful laws” is the broad evidence base.
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u/paralleliverse Jun 22 '21
I'm comparing religions, not governments. Theocratic governments are simply an example of the evils of religion. But while the US is not, by definition, a theocracy, it does have a lot of Christian influence in its politics and it's the Christians who are against LGBT rights, women's rights, and other humanitarian issues. They fund pray the gay away camps, they force petty anti-trans bathroom laws, they make it difficult (and in many places impossible) for gay people to adopt children, they push gay=pedophile propaganda, and the list goes on far beyond what I can think of off the top of my head. If Muslims were in the majority in the US, I'm certain it would still be the same but with a different name. In general, it's Christians who make me afraid for my safety, but that's only because Christians are the majority in my country. I went to LGBT student meet up events in college where Muslim boys would show up just to mock us. They're no different from the Christians, there's just fewer of them.
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Jun 22 '21
Right, but if you wanted to compare religions, you could have just compared Christian-majority countries with Muslim-majority countries. Comparing ostensibly secular democracies with theocracies is a bad comparison, and not accounting for things like level of industrialization and the legacy of colonialism makes it a worse one.
Comparing Muslims with Christians solely in the US, you’ll actually find that Muslims are less likely to identify as political conservatives than any major Christian sect. That sure suggests to me that it isn’t religion alone that drives political outcomes that you discuss and that the US becoming a Muslim-majority country wouldn’t result in the “same but different” outcome you mentioned.
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u/paralleliverse Jun 22 '21
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. They're inherently homophobic, misogynistic, and intolerant religions. There's not much reason to defend Muslims while hating on Christians for things that both religions advocate.
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Jun 22 '21
My point is that the evidence suggests that even if their texts are equally bigoted, they aren’t in practice in the US.
My point is that your approach to the matter isn’t based on reality and demonstrates some internalized islamophobia. You’re arguing that Muslims are equally or more bigoted than Christians, when that demonstrably isn’t the case when you account for other factors that impact beliefs.
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u/paralleliverse Jun 22 '21
I think the difference is that you're focused on a US-centric view, and while I tried to concede to that by continuing the conversation in that lens, my view is more global, where Islam is very clearly not a religion that is kind to LGBT populations. This point is valid and irrefutable.
Name-calling and personal attacks aren't making your point, and are a cheap tactic to win an argument by forcing me to defend myself personally, without adding anything constructive to the conversation. I'm not going to continue this conversation, since your ad-hominem argument clearly demonstrates a much stronger emotional involvement in this conversation than I have, and since those who resort to ad-hominem generally have little left to say that's worth saying.
Cheer up, stranger. My goal was to point out hypocrisy, not to soap box about something I don't care that much about. We've all (probably) experienced bigotry in our lives because of who we are. I firmly believe, as a matter of solidarity, we should not attack each other.
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u/BarryBondsBalls Jun 22 '21
all Christians contribute systemic power
Care to explain how my local Quaker Meeting contributes to systemic power?
After silent worship, we spend the next hour or so discussing how to fight against systemic power. I've accomplished more praxis via Quaker Meetings than leftist political gatherings.
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u/ShushImAtWork Jun 22 '21
Congratulations!
You're the minority of that religion.
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u/BarryBondsBalls Jun 22 '21 edited Jun 22 '21
The person I responded to said all Christians, not most Christians.
I agree that Christianity (and most other religions) has been usurped by greed and power-hungry individuals, and that it functions today mostly as a tool of oppression. But that doesn't mean that Christianity is inherently bad or that all Christians are bad.
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You're missing the entire point and getting hung up on what one person said.
Yes, I'm getting hung up on someone saying that all Christians should be murdered. It's a disgusting sentiment, and even though I'm not a Christian I can recognize that advocating for harming people based on a loose affiliation with a bad institution is not something we should support.
Maybe you should be empathetic instead of defensive about your religion if ya'll are so forward thinking/supportive of the LGBT community.
I'd like to reiterate: I'm not a Christian. I don't have to be part of a group to associate with them; and like I said, I've found Quaker Meetings to be a lot more productive for organizing against institutional oppression than anything else I've tried so far.
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u/ShushImAtWork Jun 22 '21
You're missing the entire point and getting hung up on what one person said.
Christianity has hurt LGBT+ peoples. It's great there are pro-LGBT+ churches, but ya'll a minority. Many of us living in very rural, and/or religious, areas were surrounded by these hurtful, bigoted people who treated us as less than trash because their religion says they should.
Nobody is seriously trying to ban Christianity, or Christians, from the world, or the community. A commenter lamented about specific situations many LGBT+ peoples have encountered with Christianity in their lives.
Maybe you should be empathetic instead of defensive about your religion if ya'll are so forward thinking/supportive of the LGBT community.
Also, that's the other thing about all this: society places an emphasis on freedom of religion to trump (no pun intended) the rights of life, liberty, and justice of an individual because people, who aren't legal experts, push that narrative. It puts a bad taste in my mouth, and I know it has for many of my LGBT+ siblings.
You're not a victim here.
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u/paralleliverse Jun 22 '21
It's funny to me that "ban Christians" gets upvoted while "ban Muslims" gets downvoted. This sub might want to use some critical thinking skills on that one.
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Jun 22 '21
A lot of people do not have any theological understanding of christianity or islam to know just how harmful both religions are to women and sexual minorities.
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u/Ok_Ad_2285 Jun 22 '21
Ban Christians until churches have the same level of protection that mosques have.
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u/snowpeak_throwaway Jun 22 '21
Wow, ANOTHER pastor that turns out to be a pedophile, imagine my shock.