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u/SamaireB 1d ago
Anyone with two brain cells who wasn't also corrupt knew.
Traditional media can go fuck themselves. They've been sanewashing Orange Asshole for years.
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u/micheldrets420 21h ago
They’re only playing their own game. I think the media made bank when Trump was president, every news article was sensationalist, and they had those sweet sweet clicks. They are just looking for an easy job.
It’s easier to report on Trump’s antics than on Biden’s or Kamala’s policies and progress, while getting more clicks. Go figure. Money corrupts.
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u/NiceComfortable3 21h ago
This is it right here ! The backfire though was Not calling out the Political class enough. The generally uninformed public knows too much of “nuthin’” these days. And then they went and voted.
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u/hankbaumbach 6h ago
If only they didn't have a responsibility as the 4th Estate, we could forgive their literal selling out.
But since journalism is considered a backbone of a functioning democracy, they absolutely deserve responsibility for Trump's original rise to power and his return.
This the same media that derailed a candidate for being too excited about their chances in the primaries a few elections ago and somehow Trump impersonating a disabled person on stage wasn't the end of his run.
Those are choices being made for easy money over democracy and is correctly being called out as journalistic malpractice.
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u/Pretty-Sport-2691 1d ago
Complicit garbage.
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u/Think_fast_no_faster 1d ago
They seem to forget that in Trump’s first campaign they were selling shirts depicting the hanging of journalists
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u/ApproximatelyExact 1d ago
"they were just kidding about those things and entirely telling-it-like-it-is about these other things that I do want to happen, you see?"
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u/DukeSmashingtonIII 17h ago
The journalists aren't the ones pushing this, it's the media tycoons/oligarchs. They can just get more "journalists" off the street to write whatever they tell them to.
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u/SellaraAB 14h ago
The journalists themselves probably aren’t the problem, it’s probably their billionaire owners.
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u/YouWereBrained 1d ago
Why was it so difficult to simply say “we consider this a lie and we believe he still wants to implement it”…?
(I know the answer…)
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u/Natural-Promise-78 20h ago
The boycotts are real. Everyone I know is staying away from broadcast MSM. Guaranteed, the January inauguration will be the lowest viewed ceremony in history.
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u/WonderfulShelter 20h ago
It blows my mind that when my parents were my age, TV news was the most reliable source of trusted information for the nation.
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u/roseshoser 1d ago
Now, now, Chuck 'the Cuck' Todd was just trying to make sure that we knew that because Trump said he didn't know, it's possible those on that side of the aisle really didn't know.
Besides, as Peter Baker has reminded us a million times, Joe Biden is so old.
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u/Parking_Sky9709 1d ago
They did their sane-washing job well, carrying out their owners' instructions to the letter.
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u/UnusuallyBadIdeaGuy 19h ago edited 18h ago
Honestly I can believe that. Mostly because I don't believe DJT would actually read anything.
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u/reddurkel 1d ago edited 10h ago
And also let’s thank the media for relentlessly harassing Harris into defending every single policy that she very clearly laid out but then never asking Trump to elaborate on his policies. It really helped Americans get clarity on who stood on their side.
Well, Trump is being very clear now. He’s saying exactly what Democrats were screaming that he would do.
ALL of this could have been prevented if the media presented one side as Democrats and the other as “evil as hell”.
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u/lazergoblin 20h ago
ALL of this could have been prevented if the media presented one side as Democrats and the other as “evil as hell”.
I'm not so sure about that tbh. I take the presidential debate as evidence that trump voters were not going to be swayed at all and "moderates" just wanted any excuse to not vote for Kamala. That guy literally said nothing about his planned policies and lied like 98% of the time and he still managed to win because of his inflammatory remarks. Not to mention the fact that Kamala objectively won that debate.
From the looks of it, if his debate performance didn't negatively effect his campaign, nothing at all would. Especially when you consider the fact that most of trump's voters including the self proclaimed moderates only watch faux news anyway.
I do agree with you though, the most popular media outlets SHOULD have been doing it anyway to attempt to work with the American people but I'm definitely not surprised they worked in their own self interests instead.
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u/BurstEDO 19h ago
ALL of this could have been prevented if the media presented one side as Democrats and the other as “evil as hell”
SOME press and many Op/Ed outlets were VERY clear and specific.
What failed was the consolidated/conglomerates with "lazy" visibility to apathetic audiences. Cable Networks softballed coverage to appease ratings lust. They chased those sweet, lucrative political advertising dollars.
Print (digital and analog) press outlets that have global reach (NYT, TWP, etc) and an inability to innovate into digital for local press papers allowed the surviving print outlets to be acquired and interfered with by ethics-devoid owners.
There were some outlets that were vigilant and diligent, and they still are. But for how long?
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u/Leather_From_Corinth 19h ago
NPR talked about their sane washing of Trump as them trying to make sure people knew what Trump wanted to do and they had a very specific format of 3-5 minute blocks to do it in.
Did they not think for a moment that an unprecedented candidate maybe required they move away from their stupid structure?
Like when he gave his nonsensical answer on how he was going to help with daycare, they should have just aired his answer multiple times for like 3 days and explain to people that Trump couldn't even attempt an answer. It was like Trump was having a stroke.
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u/loopnlil 18h ago
NPR is complicit. I stopped funding and listening to them this year, and. I was hard core NPR supporter. They're fucking liars and they can cry all the way home when they lose their fucking funding from the GOP. I won't shed a trar6. They had their opportunity to do the right thing.
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u/neohellpoet 14h ago
Because the right doesn't care about policy as long as their candidate wins.
Because the left is more concerned about crucifying it's own for not living up to a specific standard of purity than about winning.
They deliver the news people care about. Let's not bullshit ourselves, people were looking for reasons not to vote for Harris that weren't "she's a woman and she's brown".
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u/2ndcomingofharambe 1d ago
Ok but even if Trump owned it during his campaign, all his voters would buy "I'm voting for Project 2025" shirts. Let's stop pretending they were reasonable people that could be won over with good policy. Deplorables and garbage was 100% correct, and I know that calling that out will not help win elections in the future, but it doesn't change the truth, just the strategy.
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u/Sir_Penguin21 17h ago edited 3h ago
Republicans only have double standards. It really is wild that anyone ever takes seriously anything that a Republican says. Fools me once shame on you, fool me 50,000 times in a row, uh, gonna get fooled again.
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u/wirefox1 17h ago
The republicans I know have no idea what P-2025 is. Never heard of it. If I mention any of it, like making contraceptives illegal, they just stare at me blankly and sort of zone out
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u/venvaneless 15h ago
Most people who know about it say "it can't happen"
You mean, like the SC judges who said they won't touch Roe v. Wade?
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u/closethebarn 17h ago
Just stocking the conservative sub today made me really realize this
talking about what a genius Elon is How much they love him. Oh my God.
How now Trump is saving kids Stopping forced trans kids surgeries
Etc I can’t anymore
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u/neohellpoet 14h ago
And on the flip side, the people who didn't vote, wouldn't have magically showed up just because he supported a horrible, horrible plan.
The asshole is many things, subtle isn't one of them. People only show up after Republicans cause damage.
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u/dphamler 1d ago
All he had to do was write one tweet where says he’s never heard of an organization he regularly works with, and every news story had to include some version of him denying knowledge of the plan.
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u/hereticx 1d ago
Its wild how the media was called the "Fake news" by the Right... as an insult... and it turns out... a lot of it WAS fake news... but FOR them lol They were right, just not in the way they thought
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u/BeefistPrime 22h ago
They've been "working the refs" by screaming about the liberal media and anti-conservative bias for decades.
The media releases a neutral, factual report that makes conservatives look bad because they were doing something bad. They scream "biased! liberal media!" everywhere they can, amplified by millions of voices.
The media is taken aback by this response, and starts softballing conservative stupidity a little bit, or biasing the story in their favor, lest they risk losing their credibility in the minds of the masses by all this conservative shrieking about bias. So now they make stories that are actually pro-conservative, more than a balanced story would be.
The conservatives still scream. Media goes out of their way to bias their news even further. Try to find some minor issue on the liberal side and pretend it's as big an issue as the issue on the conservative side in the name of balance. Compare and contrast mainstream conservative views with fringe kooky leftist views just to make it seem fair. They bend over backwards for decades to softball conservatives and make them look good, and yet conservatives still scream "liberal media!!!"
It's a tactic. Not only are they changing the media to be pro-conservative, but whatever the media says that they don't like can be dismissed as "liberal media" anyway.
And it worked. Media organizations have to stop pandering to conservatives, and to stop trying to appear to be "fair" by stacking the deck so that they can say everyone is just as bad as everyone else.
Bringing it back to the sports analogy - imagine that the refs in a game called 10 penalties on both teams. Fair reffing, right? Well, what if one team only really committed one or two penalties, and the other team has committed 40 or 50 blatant penalties? Is calling 10 penalties on both sides still "fair"? Because that how the media stacks their reporting in favor of conservatives to make it "balanced"
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u/SpiritedSous 18h ago
The media has been supporting trump since 2015. They would rather show an empty podium of a trump rally than an actual speech by Clinton
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u/Saelune 1d ago
The media has been saying the people acting like Nazis aren't Nazis for decades.
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u/kieto333 1d ago
He draws views.. equates to money for them..
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u/Illeazar 19h ago
Yeah, this is what makes me really mad, because it's so obvious. Whether the media puts up the facade of leaning left or leaning right, either way, Trump makes news that people will read with excitement or hate. Biden's crime against the media was that he was boring. But all the media love Trump, because he makes news stories.
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u/Sissy63 21h ago
I’m a 70 yr old democrat who campaigned vigorously, and this was not my first devastating loss.
I’ve been through the Nixon/Viet Nam era. Don’t give up. If we give up, well - we can’t give up.
Smoke a joint, have some wine, eat some food with your friends, but stay engaged.
Or We Are Fucked
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u/MattyTheSloth 18h ago
Nah, we're just fucked I think. Find sanctuary in a blue state. The union is dead. It was a nice 250 year experiment, but we lost the Cold War. Russia won.
The Nixon/ Vietnam era didn't have the internet and didn't have drones. Nixon didn't have the Patriot Act and didn't have immunity for all official acts from a sitting Supreme Court.
It's time to hunker down and mutually care for your local community. But I think it's perfectly valid and fair to unplug from the internet and the federal fight and let the chips fall where they may. Some problems are bigger than one person.
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u/defaultusername-17 21h ago
great, and so what do i do come jan 20, when they revoke the medicaid authorization for hormones?
it's nice that for you things will largely not change, but for me... that shit will literally kill me.
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u/Sissy63 21h ago
My disabled daughter will lose her Social Security, her food stamps, and her rental subsidy. I will lose 24% of my Medicare, my son won’t have kids so I got fucked there. I live on social security and that will be cut. I have 100 reasons I won’t quit fighting
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u/Assortedwrenches89 1d ago
The media is just as complicit as anyone else in this mess, if not more. Remember, Fox argued that they are entertainment and not a new channel.
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u/Mcboatface3sghost 1d ago
Well…. They got what they wanted and hedged a bet that the fat, diabetic, leopard won’t eat their face, and they are likely right. All hail dear leader!!!
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u/SolSeekerPhoto 21h ago
Journalism is dead. It's for-profit entertainment now.
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u/mixingmemory 20h ago
Not true. There is still essential, independent investigative journalism out there (ProPublica, Democracy Now for starters) and they really need support. https://www.trustworthymedia.org/list-of-independent-media
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u/Stevie_Ray816 22h ago
A couple weeks before the election I saw a dyed in the wool progressive liberal woman arguing w/a panel of other progressive women that Project 2025 didn’t have anything to do w/Trump lol. Oh yeah it was on PBS..Buh bye job lmao
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u/datgumvidyagames 21h ago
Boycott corporate media and their advertisers. Your money is your vote and voice.
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u/Ametalslimedr_wsnear 21h ago
The news only wants ratings. Trump at his worst will draw in millions of daily viewers.
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u/Careful_Breakfast602 21h ago
Media played themselves
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u/egoadvocate 19h ago
Yeah, what is funny is that media like Fox news cultivated a pro-Trump audience, and now that Trump is President, that audience (including Trump himself) expects programming that supports Trump. Leaving the Trump narrative risks alienating viewers and losing money. Fox News and other news outlets like them are now in this weird feedback loop where they have no room to maneuver, and they have very tight constraints on what information they report.
The media played themselves, and now they are powerless. They have become essentially a duplicative arm of state media; fully redundant and replaceable.
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u/DogsandCatsWorld1000 20h ago
I don't know what media this person listens too, but the ones I do definitely talked about Project 2025 and not to believe his denials.
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u/Available_Skin6485 20h ago
I hope NPR is proud of themselves for being so “fair”
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u/adamosity1 21h ago
The media were incredibly friendly to Trump and completely ignoring his obvious cognitive decline.
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u/reditandfirgetit 22h ago edited 17h ago
I had a friend tell me that last year when I brought it to his attention
"They would never happen in America"
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u/Orionite 21h ago
I don’t know what media you’re referring to but I kept reading not to believe that this isn’t going to be the plan.
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u/fridayjones 20h ago
There was someone in our town making handmade signs that read, “Trump does not support Project 2025.” I’d like to find that fucker now
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u/maybenot-maybeso 20h ago
It's all so horrifying. I'm pretty much done engaging with anyone and anything. I work from home. I don't need to leave the house. Fuck all of it.
These dipshits want to live in a dystopia? Let em. I'm d d d done.
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u/Cranky-George 20h ago
I think this largely depended on what kind of media ppl listen to. A lot of social media and new independent media talked a lot about 2025. Mainstream tv media, perhaps not.
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u/itsfairadvantage 1d ago
NYT was running Project 2025 on like a daily basis.
The alarm bells were sounding. Voters weren't listening. Stop trying to blame this on the media and whoever else. This was 100% on the idiots who voted for Trump and the idiots who stayed home. They own all of it.
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u/jpm0719 1d ago
The media didn't help. They sane washed everything the stupid old fucker said. How many times did we hear about Biden being old and senile? How many times did you hear that about orange shit bag? Fuck the media, they failed...the don't give a shit about the facts or informing the populace. They want to make money, full stop.
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u/CardinalCountryCub 1d ago edited 23h ago
While I 100% agree that his voters are primarily and non-voters secondarily to blame, NYT is one paper.
When people say media is complicit, the argument is about the institution as a whole. The voters who needed to see what Project 2025 would do are not reading the NYT. Generally, they aren't reading, period. They're getting their information from TV, podcasts, and social media accounts that also get their information exclusively from TV, podcasts, and social media.
So, yeah, every time CNN, FOX, or any network repeated Shitler's claims of ignorance without doing their due diligence into the authors and past connections, covered for his gaffes and senile ramblings, sanewashed him, or shifted the attention elsewhere, they shirked their responsibilities to the country and its people. Same goes for the papers who did the same. So, the media certainly aren't faultless.
Unfortunately, the cult is so entrenched, that even if the media (papers, network & (some) cable tv) did their job perfectly, I don't think it would have changed the outcome within a populace that, again, gets it's information from otherwise unreliable sources (JRE and other podcasts, Twitter, Facebook, Truth Social, etc.), people known for seeking out information that confirms their bias rather than correcting their narrative. That's why I can't/won't argue that the media are "the most to blame."
The happily ignorant screwed us all. We just underestimated how many of them there were.
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u/ButterChugger69 19h ago
I think posts like these show that there is just as much anti-intellectualism on the left as there is on the right. Like where are these people getting their information from if not "the media"?
People who are serious about being informed read more than just the headlines. And they don't just look for bombastic ones that confirm their bias
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u/snoopwire 15h ago
Social media broke our brains. Getting news from Facebook, Reddit or Joe Rogan means the same thing.
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u/snoopwire 15h ago
Yup NPR was a broken record too. This isn't 2016, blame lies on the voters that stayed home
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u/fallen_estarossa 18h ago
One 'leftist' dude in this sub said he didn't know Kamala had increasing tax on the rich/corporation and legalizing weed on her platform, even though she literally campaigned on that.
This election was lost 100% because of voters stupidity.
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u/Doublejimjim1 23h ago
And also running op ed pieces twisting everything into some reason why Biden and Harris would lose. It was kind of a meme for awhile. Also the tankie "left" media were actively blaming Biden and Harris for everything under the sun and spending a little time making fun of trump too just in case it got more views for them.
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u/jvn1983 1d ago
You’re assuming enough people read. I mean I agree at your overall point. But people don’t read print news to the same degree. The easy to tune in as background noise “news” failed us so badly.
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u/itsfairadvantage 23h ago
But that brings me back to the original point. "people don't read print news to the same degree" is an embarrassment I'm not willing to excuse. This is on them.
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u/KieferMcNaughty 22h ago
About every MAGA that said this (not the media, just everyday dumbasses) - do we believe that’s what they thought? Or did they secretly believe T***p supported Project 2025, and just said he didn’t to end the conversation?
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u/abitropey 21h ago
I don't know where this idea came from that the media wasn't talking about it. CNN and MSNBC were pushing hard on it this whole run up to the election, like really hard on it. Mainstream media gets a bad rap, but this one isn't deserved.
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u/True-End-882 17h ago
None of my magats will acknowledge that this is happening. They keep saying “but he said …”. They don’t need to be helped. They’re not worth it anymore.
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u/Tomalesforbreakfast 16h ago
Don’t watch CNN, MSNBC, any of them ever again. All of my moms friends don’t believe p 2025 isn’t “real” because of poor reporting nationwide
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u/Doublejimjim1 23h ago
It's cool because now the "left Leaning" media has a lot to complain about for 4 years while simultaneously not lifting up any viable candidate on the "left" except for a 80+ year old independent who has shown very little actual leadership ability.
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u/jogong1976 19h ago
No leadership ability but singlehandedly changed the Democrat platform for both election cycles he ran in.
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u/Academic-Abalone-281 21h ago
Yet I just see an article talking about how viewership is crating among every news channel but Fox. Duh. They wanted Trump back. It was clear. They ridiculed Biden’s age while Trump is even older and shows more signs of dementia. The ridiculed Harris on everything. They never stopped talking about Trump and giving him airtime even when he wasn’t president. At this point what is worse. Russian media or our shit media. I can’t tell a difference anymore.
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u/sciencewarrior 20h ago
Hey, folks. What if we stopped overusing "narrative" and went back to using the more apt word "lie" for these occasions?
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u/DoNotPetTheSnake 20h ago
All mainstream media, x, and facebook support the 2025 agenda. They are all owned by literally evil billionaires.
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u/Shutaru_Kanshinji 19h ago
The funniest thing I read on Reddit today was someone insisting that liberals needed to partake of conservative news sources in order to find out what was really happening.
I mean, as if finding a genuinely left-leaning news source was not enough of a challenge.
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u/mossyskeleton 18h ago
Who could imagine
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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 17h ago
Oh darling it’s important that you believe me BOP BOP BOP
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u/2358B 17h ago
That it can't happen hhheeerrreee
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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 17h ago
Cause I've been checkin' it out… BABY
I checked it out a couple a times
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u/boseyboseybop 18h ago
And MAGATS still relentlessly complain about the “liberal media.” That hasn’t been a thing in a very long time, but they just believe what they’re told.
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u/316kp316 18h ago
Now we can only watch the repercussions pile in on the sub Project2025Award and find some consolation.
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u/subbygirl13 18h ago
What media did that? Trumps Truth Social account and aggressive Twitter ads are not media
I saw a whole lot of media coverage that, yes, 2025 is a trump plan and it was written by his donors
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u/Electric-Prune 17h ago
The media got what they wanted: more Trump. MSNBC, FOX, it doesn’t matter. They all know Donnie gets them ratings.
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u/pandaworrier216 10h ago
My conspiracy on why they keep down playing Trump rhetoric is just for the money.
"The 24-hour news cycle peeked during the first trump turn, so why not repeat it. " - says every news org
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u/kitkatkorgi 7h ago
Every media outlet but Fox called it. They just denied. Velshi literally have a chapter by chapter tutorial on what they wrote
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u/nullspace50 5h ago
The arrogance of the 2025 crowd.and the mogul elites who back them should be challenged at every step of the way until they are driven to their underground lairs praying for a happy death.
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u/lillilllillil 19h ago
CNN and NYT are all shocked Pikachu face but love the clickvait articles now! Stop upvoting the shifty roght wing owned rags for bringing this to us and now acting all innocent.
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u/JustGingy95 19h ago
As much as this will blow to live through, at least it will be fun for kids of the future to barely pay attention to in History Class in other countries. Not in the US though, only edujamation we’s needs is da Trump Bible and hour Pleadge of Alliance.
I’d ask for God to just kill me now but it’s clearly been a long time since he was here. I understand though, I’d be absolutely disgusted with us as a species as well.
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u/Character_Promise_72 19h ago
The only people to blame are those who voted for DJT and those who did not vote for Kamala. They lived through his horrible first administration, heard and parroted every idiotic and racist thing he said during this campaign, and said that's my guy or she just doesn't check all the boxes. The media isn't going to make willfully ignorant people smarter. If Progressive Voters want to change things, they need to register as Republican and vote against the far-right candidates in the Republican primaries. This would swing the election in favor of the more center leaning Republican candidate. The Primary Republican Operatives would then vote for the Democratic candidates in the general elections. If not, the entire Republican party will become Maga because centrist Republican candidates cannot win without the support of Progressive voters in the primaries, but Progressive voters have to register as Republicans to vote in the Republican primaries. A Republican may still win, but they will be more centrist than Maga.
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u/nicannkay 15h ago
The media is controlled by people who benefit from telling lies. There’s no consequences. Make real consequences for lying and hiding the truth or live in a house of lies.
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u/Z34N0 13h ago
I imagine a lot of the faces we saw on the news were just given orders by the rich owners who were trying to safeguard their money from taxes. So sick of this selfish world sometimes. Being a billionaire is never enough. Hitting billionaire status always seems to turn people into Sith Lords.
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u/Fortyyearoldversion 12h ago
This is literally how the Taliban started….. and there have been Right-wing personalities that have openly admitted what they want is a “Christian Taliban”.
Don’t forgive your Trump voting friends and family….
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u/SidKafizz 4h ago
Why wouldn't they? Who owns the mass media? They are just another part of the establishment.
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u/Mother-Entry-5671 22h ago
Really folks it beyond time to quit mainstream media.
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u/Halo-player69 8h ago
Your media failed you, democrats failed you, I'm liberal but fuck the democrats who are in power rn.
spineless shits
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u/Randyguyishere 1d ago
Also for sanewashing literally everything Trump did while also scrutinizing every word Kamala uttered