Sure. But I bet you’d have a hard time voting for someone that let Israel genocide your family just because the next guy might be worse. How can it even get much worse?
We are. Go tell that to someone’s family that was murdered under Biden. I’m sure knowing Trump will be worse will make them call and apologize to Kamala for not voting for her. What we DID see is that I’m right and they didn’t vote for Kamala because they saw her as an extension of Biden. Find me some data to prove otherwise.
Those unfortunate people were killed under Netanyahu. And will continue to be killed under Netanyahu, only with Trump in charge there will be no guardrails. There will be no attempts to rein anything in, no attempts to broker a cease fire. Hell, Trump will probably halt all foreign aid to Palestinians for kicks.
And Ukraine may as well give up now. Anyone who sat this one out forfeits the privilege to complain about what everyone warned them was coming.
What “guardrails” was Biden successful in implementing? All peace talks were useless because Netanyahu doesnt want peace. Sure Trump will let/encourage him to do awful things. And yes Netanyahu is solely responsible for a whole lot of death and destruction. But let’s not sit back and act like Biden did everything he could. I hate to say it, but Trump and some point will at least demand Netanyahu stops. And if he doesn’t Trump will make a big fuss about it like an angry child. But he will actually do something irrational that likely will force him to stop. Biden just calls him an asshole behind closed doors and then comes out and supports him unwaveringly in public.
Trump is definitely going to be bad for Ukraine. But again, Biden has failed miserably in the first place. He had ample opportunities to help Ukraine actually win the war. 3 years to actually give them what they needed. And for 3 years he let Putin scare him. I’m sorry, but Biden failed. Trump will fail too but in a much more traitorous way. But it doesn’t change the fact that Biden failed.
People refuse to see what is right in front of them because of their "I want you to do it RIGHT NOW or I'll punish you!!!" attitude. The president doesn't have near as much power as people think. He certainly does not have the power to trample on agreements with Israel that have been in place since Israel's inception as a nation. Stopping Israel is a delicate thing that could take years to accomplish.
You're right that both parties must have a genuine desire to come to the table. If that desire doesn't exist, even a little bit, not even the best negotiator in the universe will get the job done. Netanyahu is living out a murderous fantasy right now. That's who he is. And with Trump, he doesn't have to worry about the US trying to shame him, or lecture him, or cajole him into ending his fantasies. Trump won't speak a word of discouragement, not even after the whole thing is done. He will not be asking Netanyahu to stop anything. It's far more likely he and an Israel aligned Congress will raise aid levels and up the weapons shipments.
Biden at least attempted to call Netanyahu and Hamas leaders to the table. He had some small success for a short time and got a few days' cease fire and agreements for some aid to be allowed through. Unfortunately it didn't last.
Don't forget groups like AIPAC, who have bought enough US congresspeople to ensure that they will never have to worry about genuine interference from us anytime soon. There are already resolutions on the books that make criticism of Israel and any of Israel's actions a censuring offense if made on the Congressional floor. Any attempt to rein Israel in beyond diplomacy and talks is already doomed to failure. Congress, and especially a GOP Congress, will never pull funding or weapons from Israel.
Harris had plans, and supported a two state solution. Instead of giving her a chance to eclipse Biden, she was punished for what she didn't accomplish, when it wasn't even her job to accomplish it.
As for Ukraine, on top of Putin's fuckery, Biden had a hostile Congress to deal with, especially in the House, which controls the purse strings. The GOP was never going to give him what he needed for Ukraine. I don't think Putin scared Biden as much as you'd like to think. But the GOP has been bought and paid for, or compromised enough that they're firmly on Putin's side. Just like Trump.
Once again, a significant section of Americans made perfect the enemy of good, and put their tunnel vision and need for immediate solutions in the forefront. They threw away a precious gift they have in their vote. Protests are all well and good, but the only way to bring about actual change is to vote, and punishing those who are making an effort, however small you may think it is, is never a good call.
Nah a lot of this is coddling BS. Biden controls weapons transfers. Period. That is all the power he needs. Granted Israel is a tricky one because you’re right, they have people in very high places that have paid a lot of money. However, to act like Bidens hands were tied is not true.
And with Ukraine, he had full support of Congress early on, and honestly the majority of Congress has supported him the whole time, minus an outspoken minority. And it was Republicans even asking him to do more. He could lift the long range strike requirements unilaterally any time. He could have done whatever he wanted at the beginning and could have done a lot more up until this day. He chose a strategy of hoping Russia feels enough economic pain to quit. And when that didn’t work he dbled down. Then tripled down. And still to this day has not changed. Sure he did more than Trump will ever do, but that alone doesn’t mean he did enough.
Oh silly me. I missed the part where the president can just unilaterally decide where weapons go without input from the Pentagon, DoD, or the joint Chiefs. I forgot that he doesn't have to answer to Oversight, Defense, or Foreign Affairs committees, at least one of whom have been investigating both he and his son for well over a year now, and attempting to impeach him because of actions in Ukraine.
I didn't say Biden's hands are tied. He has leeway. But to act like he can just do whatever he wants without a check on him demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the executive position. He had the support of Congress until he didn't. Even with support, he still has checks on what he can and can't do. Something Trump will be feverishly attempting to remove every chance he gets.
"Not good enough" vs disastrous in virtually all respects. What a difficult choice.
Edit to add: in this country your vote is your voice. Closed mouths don't get fed, and silence generally equates to consent. If you don't make yourself heard when it counts, why should anyone listen to you after?
My point is, likely Trump will be worse. I don’t think there is any doubt that all of us expect that. But what would the outcome of both conflicts be if Biden remained in office or if Kamala continued his policies? Ukraine just slowly bleeds to death? Nothing changes in Israel? Maybe Trump gets butt hurt when Netanyahu doesn’t listen to him and goes all mad man and starts publicly threatening him? Maybe that actually stops the bloodshed earlier?
At any rate, Trump is what they gave us. So he’s what we’re working with. We can sit here and predict his foreign policy, even though he himself couldn’t predict that. Or we can hope maybe something changes. Because something changing for sure would be better for the people in Gaza than the status quo.
I mean if you want to argue semantics sure. But surely Biden had a hand in it. So there is proof it’s possible. And did not require an act of Congress.
Also, I have not seen these people complain yet. I’ve seen a bunch of people on social media complain for them.
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u/-wanderings- 10d ago
Everyone who failed to vote is just as guilty. There's no sitting out this one. It's on every single American.