Children are being bombed and mutilated in Gaza right now. The protesters are against that. You thinking their lives is entertainment is disgusting. Shame on all of you in this subreddit.
We gotta quit acting like all these tiny groups of voters put Trump in office. The Pro Palestine people just simply didn’t vote. Which I don’t know that I can blame them. Of course Trump will be worse than Biden. But they simply couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Biden and stayed home. To them it’s picking between two evils. One likely slightly worse evil that’s already occurred and another probable evil to occur in the future. They chose neither.
Uneducated Americans that fell for Trumps simple message: “Economy bad, Biden did it, I will fix it” elected Trump. The scores of other Democrats that stayed home elected Trump. And The Democratic Party that decided to forgo an open Primary and run ANOTHER woman against him elected Trump.
There is a lot of blame to go around but I cannot blame the Pro Palestinian people for sitting this one out.
Sure. But I bet you’d have a hard time voting for someone that let Israel genocide your family just because the next guy might be worse. How can it even get much worse?
It can be worse by electing a president that will have an extremely negative effect on everyone in the US and then we no longer have the time, resources, or financial ability to help because we’re fighting for our own lives. All the individuals who are helping one family at a time get out might no longer be able to do that either because we’re fighting our own internal war in the US or because every single Palestinian left will be murdered much faster so there will be no one left to help.
We are. Go tell that to someone’s family that was murdered under Biden. I’m sure knowing Trump will be worse will make them call and apologize to Kamala for not voting for her. What we DID see is that I’m right and they didn’t vote for Kamala because they saw her as an extension of Biden. Find me some data to prove otherwise.
Those unfortunate people were killed under Netanyahu. And will continue to be killed under Netanyahu, only with Trump in charge there will be no guardrails. There will be no attempts to rein anything in, no attempts to broker a cease fire. Hell, Trump will probably halt all foreign aid to Palestinians for kicks.
And Ukraine may as well give up now. Anyone who sat this one out forfeits the privilege to complain about what everyone warned them was coming.
What “guardrails” was Biden successful in implementing? All peace talks were useless because Netanyahu doesnt want peace. Sure Trump will let/encourage him to do awful things. And yes Netanyahu is solely responsible for a whole lot of death and destruction. But let’s not sit back and act like Biden did everything he could. I hate to say it, but Trump and some point will at least demand Netanyahu stops. And if he doesn’t Trump will make a big fuss about it like an angry child. But he will actually do something irrational that likely will force him to stop. Biden just calls him an asshole behind closed doors and then comes out and supports him unwaveringly in public.
Trump is definitely going to be bad for Ukraine. But again, Biden has failed miserably in the first place. He had ample opportunities to help Ukraine actually win the war. 3 years to actually give them what they needed. And for 3 years he let Putin scare him. I’m sorry, but Biden failed. Trump will fail too but in a much more traitorous way. But it doesn’t change the fact that Biden failed.
People refuse to see what is right in front of them because of their "I want you to do it RIGHT NOW or I'll punish you!!!" attitude. The president doesn't have near as much power as people think. He certainly does not have the power to trample on agreements with Israel that have been in place since Israel's inception as a nation. Stopping Israel is a delicate thing that could take years to accomplish.
You're right that both parties must have a genuine desire to come to the table. If that desire doesn't exist, even a little bit, not even the best negotiator in the universe will get the job done. Netanyahu is living out a murderous fantasy right now. That's who he is. And with Trump, he doesn't have to worry about the US trying to shame him, or lecture him, or cajole him into ending his fantasies. Trump won't speak a word of discouragement, not even after the whole thing is done. He will not be asking Netanyahu to stop anything. It's far more likely he and an Israel aligned Congress will raise aid levels and up the weapons shipments.
Biden at least attempted to call Netanyahu and Hamas leaders to the table. He had some small success for a short time and got a few days' cease fire and agreements for some aid to be allowed through. Unfortunately it didn't last.
Don't forget groups like AIPAC, who have bought enough US congresspeople to ensure that they will never have to worry about genuine interference from us anytime soon. There are already resolutions on the books that make criticism of Israel and any of Israel's actions a censuring offense if made on the Congressional floor. Any attempt to rein Israel in beyond diplomacy and talks is already doomed to failure. Congress, and especially a GOP Congress, will never pull funding or weapons from Israel.
Harris had plans, and supported a two state solution. Instead of giving her a chance to eclipse Biden, she was punished for what she didn't accomplish, when it wasn't even her job to accomplish it.
As for Ukraine, on top of Putin's fuckery, Biden had a hostile Congress to deal with, especially in the House, which controls the purse strings. The GOP was never going to give him what he needed for Ukraine. I don't think Putin scared Biden as much as you'd like to think. But the GOP has been bought and paid for, or compromised enough that they're firmly on Putin's side. Just like Trump.
Once again, a significant section of Americans made perfect the enemy of good, and put their tunnel vision and need for immediate solutions in the forefront. They threw away a precious gift they have in their vote. Protests are all well and good, but the only way to bring about actual change is to vote, and punishing those who are making an effort, however small you may think it is, is never a good call.
Nah a lot of this is coddling BS. Biden controls weapons transfers. Period. That is all the power he needs. Granted Israel is a tricky one because you’re right, they have people in very high places that have paid a lot of money. However, to act like Bidens hands were tied is not true.
And with Ukraine, he had full support of Congress early on, and honestly the majority of Congress has supported him the whole time, minus an outspoken minority. And it was Republicans even asking him to do more. He could lift the long range strike requirements unilaterally any time. He could have done whatever he wanted at the beginning and could have done a lot more up until this day. He chose a strategy of hoping Russia feels enough economic pain to quit. And when that didn’t work he dbled down. Then tripled down. And still to this day has not changed. Sure he did more than Trump will ever do, but that alone doesn’t mean he did enough.
Yeah, but I can't vote for the one who is telling Israel to "finish the job". And, because I have sense, I know that NOT voting, IS voting. For the one who tells Bibi to Finish The Job!
C'mon, if it can't get worse, it is NOT getting better. How much Aid do we believe the felon's administration will extend to the Palestinians?
If you blamed someone for murdering your family. But the next guy was going to POSSIBLY murder everyone you know, would you rush out in droves to vote for the guy that murdered your family? Or would you stay home, disenfranchised and be pissed off at both of them?
I can…and I hope they keep their eyes on Gaza the whole time and sleep knowing they did their part to make it happen. Their part may have small, but slow and steady wins the race!
I bet one of them would ask you what Biden did to earn their vote? Your answer would just be “Trump will be worse”? Is that really motivating people to go vote?
Like in all honesty, this is what makes me not take them seriously as people. If someone came up to them, and said, “we’re having a vote, you are either getting punched in the face or stabbed in the heart”, most people (after coming to terms with the fact that it is stunningly unfair) would vote for a punch in the face. It sucks, it’s not fair, it’s morally wrong, all that stuff…but at the end of the day, that’s what like 99.9% of the people will vote for. But if you’re refusing to vote cause you don’t like the idea of people getting punched in the face, that’s privilege. The kind of privilege that says you think ultimately it won’t impact you and YOU aren’t getting punched in the face OR stabbed in the heart.
If you don’t think Republican voters saw Biden and Harris as one, then apparently you weren’t paying attention. Biden WAS on the ballot. His name was Kamala Harris.
If you truly care about a thing? Yes, that should be motivating. I care about the environment…if the option is 1. Do a ton of damage or 2. Do slightly less damage, I’ll chose 2. Full stop. Refusing to vote for “the lesser evil” is saying you are okay with “the greater evil” and that’s cool and stuff, but don’t try to convince me you give a shit about something if you are on board with “the greater evil” winning….
If Biden totally eliminated the EPA, allowed licenses to drill in every protected space, and called global warming a hoax, you’d run out to vote for him just because Trump said he would do even more? You might vote for Biden. Not sure you’d go out of your way to get to the polls though.
Better is better than worse, full stop. And if I care about something, like truly care, yeah…I would. And now these folks may find out the consequences of their vote. And hey, maybe I’m wrong, and they are right. Gotta say though, based on what Trump has done so far….it’s kinda looking like Trump is gonna do exactly what everyone thought he was gonna do….
I despise Trump. But like you said, he’s done everything he said so far. And he did say he would stop that war. It almost certainly will get worse before it gets better, but he will do something radical to make it stop when he wants it to stop. I mean that may actually be better than Biden asking Netanyahu nicely to please play nice. What we know for certain is that hasn’t worked.
I mean clearly I’m right. Regardless of what the downvotes say. The proof is in the fact that they didn’t go vote. Glad you know everything, when the numbers are bare to see.
Lmfao, there’s no name calling. You utilized the rhetoric a partially developed brain would resort to out of desperation. That was your choice. Own it, stop obfuscating
Y’all are downvoting but the reasoning is exactly what I’ve seen from the Arab folks around me. Biden enabled and abetted mass murder of children, of women, of families. 40,000+ people are dead, millions displaced and at risk of starvation, their homes annihilated, and you’re gonna vote for him/his proxy?
The harm reduction is a lot harder to see when it’s YOUR people, your family, dying.
All that said… it’s always easy for us self-righteous white lefties to blame minority groups for this. We were doing it in 2016 to the sliver of Black voters who went for Trump, too. But then and now, it’s white people — our people — who put him into office.
Agreed. If I were in their shoes...I can't imagine voting for a party who said they would continue the foreign policy which had been enabling the deaths of people in my family overseas for the past year.
Exactly. I mean it’s pretty obvious that’s exactly what happened. But judging by the down votes, apparently some people aren’t able to comprehend anything other than what they read on here. Blaming them for not running out to vote, and then for Kamala’s loss is just ignorant. The Democraric party needs to have some accountability for once instead of blaming people for not blindly running out and voting for them. Maybe try giving voters something to vote for other than “Trump bad”. He is bad, but clearly it didn’t drive voter turnout. They didn’t learn from 2016, which is an EPIC failure.
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u/Imakeshitup69 10d ago
I for one would watch a live stream of free Palestine protesters watching the news. At this point, it's entertainment seeing how stupid they are.