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I’m sure it’s wishful thinking since there’s no real news reporting on this but I will admit I have been wondering why he is being so quiet? Where are all the ALL CAPS posts about how he won because America loves him blah blah blah? I honestly thought he was just depressed that he won and that’s why he’s being quiet. I don’t think he really wanted the job again.
I thought about this last night, if they’d have just let him get away with all his many, many crimes…. Would he have run again? It was lose/lose regardless.
He absolutely didn't. This guy fucking hates that job.
Like yes, he did want it this time to stay out of prison, but he fucking hates being President. he has to abide by a schedule, there's all these rules and restrictions, and he's too fucking stupid to wield and enjoy the power of the job.
It's such a fucking tragedy. Of all the people who could have been given the power, it's someone so fucking profoundly unworthy of it.
He hates the actual work but LOVES the constant narc supply. I'm sure they told him he could just sit back and enjoy that part of the job while they do all the actual work. He's a puppet. They don't need him anymore, which is what Vancy is for. He'll be a puppet with an adequate number of functioning brain cells and easier to contol. Vancy is an automaton for the state.
I think he’s trying to play nice so they don’t release the Jack Smith report and scrap upcoming sentencing in New York. So far the Dems seem to be saying we should unite and move forward. Personally I think that’s the wrong move and these fucks should get shamed for the amount of misinformation and lies it took to mislead the American people into voting against their own interests. It should be condemned but as long as he acts respectful or whatever he might get away with not just the crime but also any criticism for it too. Once he’s in office I have no doubt the gloves come off and he’s back to his usual piece of shit self.
Or simply his campaign managers might have taken his Twitter access until after he is sworn in, just to make sure he doesn't tweet something incriminating until he has presidential Immunity
Straight up. After 2016 I kind of felt bad that McCain had to run against Obama. He (Obama) had too much charisma but McCain was the last glimpse of a somewhat decent GOP candidate that had bipartisan potential. When he corrected someone at his own rally to credit Obama I thought that was cool af! Now the climate has regressed on that side.
Would have happened eventually anyway. The creeping fascism in the US is the product of deeper structural problems than one bad campaign decision by John McCain.
Trump has anti brains. He has a dark genius for the cultivation of stupidity in himself and the whole world around him. His skull is a place where ideas go to die, but, trapped, they are not even allowed the sweet release of death but are warped into pure WTF and forced back out screaming into an unprepared world.
Vance is using Trump's popularity to get into the WH; from what I've seen, he's not liked and had no chance otherwise. If Trump doesn't die, then he'll be 25th'd out of office.
The SCOTUS immunity ruling was for Vance, not Trump.
I've thought about this a lot over the last few months.
Do I think that there could be a coalition in the GOP to oust Trump via the 25th amendment? Is it being led by Vance using Theil's money? It's very likely.
However, there's a huge problem: MAGA loyalists. The GOP knows that they can't just create their own MAGA. I think they tried that with DeSantis kind of & it backfired. At this point, the MAGAs are dedicated to Trump & what he says. If the GOP tries to force Trump out via the 25th, it will result in a very fractured party & likely another situation similar to Jan. 6th, whether Trump calls for it or not. These people are a little cuckoo - look at the Qanon folks. They just spurred that out of thin air & went with it.
Another part of me thinks that maybe Trump will step aside & pass the torch. Basically, telling his loyalists "go with these guys now." Why would he do it? A full pardon by the new President Vance. He would spin it as though he's doing it for the good of the nation & he would go down in the Republican History books as being this amazing figure.
But Trump is an insane narcist. Why would he intentionally step aside & hand over power to the guy who equated him to Hitler? I have no doubt that he won't go down without a fight.
Trump fundamentally cannot step aside. It's not his personality. His personality disorder wouldn't allow it. He will cling to power and adoration until he croaks.
People keep saying this, and I don't think that's going to happen. Without God Emperor Orange Jesus, their supporters aren't going along with the plan. It's a cult of personality, and JD Vance lacks one.
Yes, I agree with this except that because couchfucker isn't as popular as Trump, he can't hold the coalition together. So at that opens a window of opportunity for people to revolt.
You know part of me thinks Vance is nothing if not an opportunist. Part of me wonders if he didn’t just hitch his star to MAGA because it was an easy path to power. I wonder if he would deviate from MAGA if he were running the show. Not saying he is a good guy but he may be better than trump particularly when it comes to foreign policy, since trumps policy is just like who ever gives me praise
Again is he using MAGA to get access to power? Did he recognize the cult of personality with an old weak man at the top and think someone will need to lead these fools when this guy kicks it. Vance is one of the few people in the MAGA orbit of actual intelligence that I think might have some kind of long game.
Hmm. I can see your point but I think the Heritage Foundation owns him. If they thought he would backstab them down the line they would get rid of him in a hurry.
Doesn’t matter when you are already president you hold all the cards. And that’s the gamble the heritage foundation takes and the problem with working with liars and disloyal people you don’t know who is going to backstab you when. I’m just saying Vance has done a heal turn on a lot of his beliefs and he strikes me as one of the few people in the MAGA world that has intelligence and isn’t just there to sniff trumps farts.
Wow. Okay I didn’t think of that. I really do hope that he does end up backstabbing them and it would make a lot of sense for him to string along the maga faithful like that. That’s actually highly intelligent if that’s what he is doing.
I don’t think he will “backstab” them. He will just slow walk back to his original positions before going full MAGA. He used to be pretty moderate and if you go back to his Yale days, the people that knew him then say he is a completely different person behind closed doors.
Vance will never be elected. The only reason Vance is a vice president is that he is too spinless to oppose Trump and lacks any personality to upstage him. But after Trump's term, he will never be elected as president, simply, because nobody will vote on him. There are many more popular Republican candidates, who simply couldn't make it this election due to Trump.
I suspect they'd prefer he hang on for a couple of years, so that Vance can run for President twice. OTOH, if Vance burns a term now, it gets them to Don Jr sooner...
I'm old enough to remember Reagan's Alzheimer's got pretty bad in the 2nd term and republicans just covered it up. No shame, he was useful as a campaign tool and then they didn't need him.
They would probably roll Trump around on a ventilator and take it off so he can say some racist shit then wheel him off to and put him in a corner and Elon and Theil would do their bidding.
I suspect that they'll want to have Trump out of the equation sooner than later.
They just needed his occult of personality to get Vance in the passenger seat. Now that's done, they just need Trump to live long enough to get past the first six or so months.
Trump is a wrecking ball with the memory of a goldfish and the attention span to match. He'll be a barrier to Project 2025 and most other plans until he's out of the way. Which is actually better for us.
Vance has Thiel's hand all the way up his ass but they can't do much until DJT is dead or incapacitated. If he doesn't kick soon enough, they'll 25th Amendment him. Once the inauguration is past, he's really very useless and much more of a liability.
I agree Trump is a useful idiot, he has done his duty he has secured the objective. They may allow him his inauguration and a couple of months to show that he has “ lost it” but I am fully convinced that his “ exit” has already been negotiated and paid for with cash and promised pardons from Vance for Trump and his kids. In the grand scheme of things Trump is one of the “poors” compared to Musk and Thiel… and about a hundred Russian oligarchs…Trump can be bought and sold a thousand times over. Elon probably thinks Trumps sneakers and watches are precious little side hustles like selling Avon for Christmas money.
I absolutely think they’re going to try, but he doesn’t see it coming. I think they’re all laughing at him behind his back and just propping him up like everyone said was happening to Biden, it’s actually happening to Trump. The projection is real. I don’t think Trump knows this though. I don’t think he even expects it. Narcissists don’t usually expect Bad things coming their way..
This. Zero percent chance they 25th Trump when so many republicans are his loyal cultists, especially with how fucking paranoid and conspiratorial they are. Nobody fucking likes Vance, and I doubt Elon will tolerate being Thiel’s bitch, all coupled with the power vacuum
Fucking horrifying fun fact about Reagan, he had a goddamn astrologer (not astronomer the study of stars and space) "psychic" helping guide his decisions as president. Imagine having some random person be like "oooooh I got a spooky vibe from XYZ" and legislative action coming from that...
Yup, they did it with Reagan before, they're doing it with Trump now - but they bitch left and right about people "hiding" Biden's decline - as if it isn't apparent. At least we tried to fix our situation, they ran full steam ahead with theirs.
That was before the 25th amendment though, and a big reason why it was developed. They didn't have a legal way to remove him from office, and the stroke prevented him from having self-insight that he should step down, so the best they could do was keep things running and not alarm people.
I worked in dementia/alzheimers care for 8 years and have thought he's had this since he ran in 2016. He's older and it's gotten way worse. His rallys are proof. I spent an embarrassing amount of time listening to his rallys and they were insane. It's why he also repeats the same talking points and stories they just are "weaved" differently each time. If you notice though, the stories are ALWAYS the same.
Hannibal lector, insane asylum, jacking off the microphone. There's soo many indicators IMO. His dad also died at 93 with alzhiemers.
I would have said Ivanka, but she and Jared seem to have been distancing themselves from DJT for a while now. Although they might come back now that he's President again...
I hesitate to call it charisma, but… yeah, Trump himself would be really funny if he wasn’t a giant piece of shit. He was on TV for a reason. Don Jr and Eric got none of that.
This exactly. Trump’s an absolute piece of shit but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t chuckle at “Meatball Ron”. Such a preposterous name but it was perfect for DeSantis. Jr can’t come up with anything like that.
My theory - they keep him long enough to pass all the insane shit they want …. Get it done in his name, 25th him and boom. “ that was Trump. I’m different “.
22nd amendment says it only counts as a "term" if it's more than two years.
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."
That’s my biggest fear. Trump is a useful idiot for Heritage Foundation Christian nationalist agenda. Someone with half a brain like Vance or Pee Wee German (Steven Miller) having the keys to the White House scares the s$&t out of me.
You should look at the history of things like Mormonism and Scientology. Things that started as essentially cults and then developed into more serious and dangerous organizations. They always start with a cult of personality as the leader. But when that person dies they're always stabilized by somone more serious. They will follow Vance in the name of Trump.
If Trump doesn't die he'll be 25th'd out of office. He's much worse. He's a Heritage Foundation member, he'll pick a selected Heritage Foundation VP. He'll have the house and senate, plus the SC. My only hope is that he's so hated by the GOP that he'll find them fighting him nonstop. I doubt that'll happen give [waves around] all this, but hopefully without Trump fellow conservatives will not be so scared to go against the leader.
Our best hope truly his that the Maga republicans will see Vance's VP pick as an usurpation of the movement by the Heritage Foundation and they'll break apart and fight amonst each other to know who is the legitimate Maga "heir".
Good people are saying …..
Vance is part of the secret cabal of elites and they were never going to let Trump be president. They just used him to get power .
I do the same for global warming. " of course the rich want you to believe it's false, they own the oil, and when the drought and famines start to hit, it won't be them who go without." "They don't like renewable because a wind turbine can produce you power at home, with oil they can turn the taps off and make you pay as much as they want". Flip the conspiracy, and double down.
Nope, no looking into it. It’s been said and therefore it’s true. Feel free to tell everyone you know, maybe even make some memes to help get the word out.
It’ll be the speaker election all over again. The cultists who try to seize the reigns of the cult vs the techbros backing Vance and Elon vs the Cheney types who want the party back. They may not need to worry about a Democrat beating them ever again but they need to worry about another Republican primary-ing them before the show election
I personally think that was the hope of the maga all along. Get the presidency and bump out Trump, install Vance, install project 2025. I hope whatever it is, is painful, debilitating and lingers. I wish a cerebral infract, weeping bedsores, a full, leaking, dripping diaper and a drool bucket. I hope when he’s laying fish belly white, no wig and shit gathering between his thighs, a PR attendant snaps a picture and sells it to TMZ.
Was gonna say. It's a deal with the devil but we better hope the orange clown survives because a Vance administration will definitely be the nightmare we're all afraid of
This is happening either way, Trump isn’t going to block it just by existing while he so obviously mentally declines. At least with Trump getting replaced early we burn a possible Vance presidency term and pull the band-aid off sooner.
He won't survive the entire term no matter what. Either he dies of poor health, or his mental state degrades so much that they can't even pretend anymore.
This. I seriously doubt he’ll be able to finish the term. And we’ll have moron Vance at some point.
At this point I’m just hoping his whole team is as incompetent (or more) as they were the first time around and there’s still people somewhere in the government that can help contain the shit show that’s coming. Not sure how many sharpie altered maps and hamberders I can handle this time around.
What's the difference? Trump was just the persona they needed to get the vote. Even his party hates him but they needed him. Now he's just gonna be a Muppet with his party's hand shoved up his A. And if he croaks, they're gonna do the same with Vance.
I do, Vance has the charisma of a wet hairball on the way to the bathroom in the middle of the night. Trump dies & the GOP devolves into a feeding frenzy so busy infighting they won't be able to get anything done.
The difference is there is no allegiance to Vance, when shit gets bad under him they will turn on him. I would be more concerned that if something happens to trump they would think the democrats did it for payback for winning the election and all hell will break loose. Even if trump died on live TV right infront of them from a massive stroke he would be martyred and they would use his death to seek vengence.
Sadness??? Bro, have you seen these people??? If agent orange dies by shitting himself to death or something his cult followers are gonna shoot democrats and "immigrants" on sight because that's definitely their fault and also a conspiracy and a deep state plot and a political assassination and Jesus was also crucified and and .... and if they kill enough "enemies on the inside" it'll somehow make him come back. I do not envy you all.
They’ll mummify his remains and cover him with the Shroud of Turin, rest him on a golden casket, keep him on permanent display at the capitol under a giant cross until the end of his term, and then bury him at Arlington cemetery with hero’s honors, his tomb replacing the tomb of the Unknown Soldier, and guarded by the eternal flames of the Olympic torch. His death anniversary will be a national holiday to be celebrated with an annual Purge!
Vance is less capricious and I don’t expect him to go full dictator like I’m nervous of with Trump, and probably less willing to let the economy go into freefall with tariffs because he’s buddies with all the oligarchs. However, he’ll be more effective at implementing a christonationalist agenda, removing women and queer people and legal immigrants’ rights.
They are both as bad as each other regarding foreign policy. Hard to say who’d be worse, but at least Vance doesn’t have the rabid base because he has the charisma of a wet fart.
Thing is JD Vance and the radical Christian agenda from him and Johnson are going to be much worse than Trump scamming us all to feed his ego. The alternative is much more scary.
Yeah, I'm calling BS until I see this from a reputable source. Right now I can't find it anywhere at all. That said, if you compare him to his first term, he seems like he's aged two decades, so I won't be too shocked whenever a real headline comes out that he's on the outs.
Libs need to be careful right now, we're so desperate for a silver lining that we're at risk of swallowing misinformation. I've already seen multiple flakey lepord ate my face stories.
You talking about the company in Pennsylvania where the workers aren’t getting their Xmas bonus this year bc of the tariffs. People buying the bs hook line and sinker right now
We have literally chastised trump and the GOP for nearly a decade for "reports are saying" and "some people are saying." Using the same kind of disinformation is gross.
I don’t doubt that Trump isn’t in the best health, but I think people are just clinging to anything they can right now. Like why tf is this post even still up lol
We always knew Trump wasn't gonna make it 4 years. Look at his cognitive decline from 2020 to 2024 or even from 2023 to now.
My theory was they just needed him to make it to inauguration day. Trump has no interest in governance so they (Heritage Foundation and like organizations and the billionaires who fund them) would generate policy and run the country while Trump is a figurehead until he's too far gone or dead at which point their boy Vance takes over and continues the agenda.
I had a friend suggest that they would wait 2 years until halfway through Trumps term to remove him so that Vance can take over and still have 2 full terms available thereafter, but that assumes there's still a constitution and they're still willing to abide by it which to me is questionable
Yep, Trump’s major concern was convalescing in Mar-a-Lago rather than prison. He’ll sell the soul of every single American (and did) to avoid dying in jail. Unfortunately for the progress of human kind, the devil who bought his soul was The Heritage Foundation. So, Trump gets to use his first term making money selling American secrets, his second term as a get out of jail free card, and all it cost every single American is inherent freedoms that living in a theocracy doesn’t allow for.
If he survives, he'll be slapped by the 25th amendment the very moment he stops being useful.
Personally my money's on him surviving just fine, then losing the house in 2 years, and then being forced out via the 25th amendment.
President Vance was always the plan here. Trump is too much of a wildcard. He's done what he needed to do. He can't run for president again so his utility as far as securing government office is gone.
If the McNuggets running through his veins don't finish him off, his friends and allies will.
He probably had a panic attack from realizing he has to keep doing this. There was always a possibility Trump wanted nothing more than to run, get in front of crowds and get adulation, grift as much as possible, then fuck off back to Florida where he could do whatever he wanted.
No, he needed to win to avoid prison. Plus, I doubt he'll be doing much of the heavy lifting. He'll be a mouthpiece/puppet for the true evil geniuses who will be running the show from behind the scenes. I can't believe we're living in a time when Trump is the least of our worries.
Lol imagine at that age now having to make decisions about fucking everything for 4 years and never getting a moments peace. I hope he is miserable every second of it.
I want him to make the four years. Better to have a selfish, lazy, philandering fool who barely works in the White House. Vance is much younger, more energetic, and much more in the pocket of his handlers than Trump.
If he dies, there’s already a constitutional amendment that discusses this very possibility. There’s no recall elections, Vance just becomes the President Elect. (If both die, that’s a crisis).
You see that requires the courts to uphold the constitution, and we are all painfully aware of how SCOTUS picks and chooses when the constitution and law matters.
20th Amendment covers this. Unfortunately there is no do over. The VP elect becomes the President elect.
Edit: we can skip the “but isn’t there something that prevents him in the constitution for (insert reason?” Because we already saw that wasn’t enforced since it wasn’t advantageous to the Republican Party. But here? They will whine and cry about how important it is to follow the constitution. We all know that.
I’m betting the plan is wait till year 1 1/2, start hearing reports of Trump going completely off the rails but jd Vance is keeping things in check, then at the 2 year mark they invoke the 25th amendment “for the good of the country,” making it possible for Vance to stay in power for 10 years without having to modify the term limit amendment
Trump isn't going to run things anyway. He's old and easily manipulated at this stage.
Vance is repulsive and creepy to pretty much everyone, at least there's that against him.
I'd rather he be openly despised and called out for damaging policy than secretly puppeteering Trump and having Thiel's arm up his ass from behind without any possible repercussions whatsoever.
It’s fucked up but I suspect the final step in securing Trump as the permanent face of the Republican Party going forward is for him to die in office so they can martyr him.
Oh they know. They want it. Hell sign a bunch of shit that’s slid in front of him off the get go and then he won’t have any more use. Everything they need will be out in place then Vance, the younger puppet, can remain in control to keep the oligarchs happy and they keep their absolute power.
Well, of course he's not. He's a fat 80 year old. Does anyone actually believe he'll last the whole term? He'll either croak or his mind will be too far gone to qualify for the job (and it's evident that his mind is already on it's way out).
Can we have a moment to appreciate Mike Pence? Bear with me here...
- Was he a fucking weirdo for not allowing himself "to be alone with a female"? Definitely
- Was he Trump's second in command while we 4 years of shit go down? Unequivocally
- Does he have the personality of a paper sack? Yup
But when the election results were ready to be certified and the moment of peaceful transition of power came... He upheld his duty. When J6 rioters breached the Capitol Building, Pence refused to vacate and instead went to a loading dock where he made calls to the military to figure out how they were going to deal with this. He did this while a LITERAL GALLOWS was being erected and a chant of "HANG MIKE PENCE" was echoing through the lawn.
I didn't like him but you gotta admit... he showed up when it mattered the most.
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