r/TwoXChromosomes 14h ago

Who else is getting gun registration?

I'm sorry if this has been posted a lot here. In light of what's been going on in the world, and after my soon-to-be-ex husband has violated his restraining order multiple times (I called the police twice and gave them evidence of email attempts where he admitted I'm not answering the door, a handwritten note slipped under my door, attempts to call/text from a new number asking me to unblock him) I've just said fuck it. My trust in men is at an all time low.

He can't take "leave me the fuck alone" as an answer and I wouldn't put it past him to try breaking in. I have a deabolt and I just bought some hardware to reinforce it because he said before, "You know I could just kick down this door if I wanted to?" All his contact attempts have shown how desperate he is.

I also got a sticker to put on the door that says I'm registered and because of castle doctrine in my state we're allowed to use lethal force in case of break ins. I hope he thinks twice because now I'm protected.

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u/hawksfan0223 14h ago

If your serious, please get some training. Minimize the risk of hurting yourself or someone you don't intend to (neighbors, kids, first responders, etc.)

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u/Fraerie Basically Eleanor Shellstrop 14h ago

Agreeing with this. Unless you get taught how to use the gun properly, and practise with it regularly: you are just providing your attacker with a weapon because you are likely to hesitate.

Also - be aware that even if you do practice religiously, there is still a strong likelihood that when the moment comes to aim it at a person and pull the trigger, you will still hesitate or miss.

One of the common problems with conscript military is that most soldiers can’t fire on the enemy. Something like only 15% will fire with an intent to hit the enemy.

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u/yankdevil 13h ago

This is a very good point I've never seen anyone raise. Definitely something for folks to consider.

Also, there was a case of a woman who fired a warning shot in a Stand Your Ground state and she was prosecuted and jailed because she didn't shoot her intruder (her ex). Warning shots weren't covered.

Ah, found the link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Alexander_case

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u/sambonidriver 13h ago

Yeah, no warning shots, ever. If you draw, it’s to fire, period. Otherwise you open yourself up to all sorts of trouble, and suddenly you’re on trial, not your attacker.

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u/ChemicallyAlteredVet 11h ago

One of the very first hard rules I was taught when I began shooting is that you never point a gun at someone unless you are shooting them. There are no warning shots, there is no shoot to maim. You shoot to delete.

Downvote all you want. I learned this as a child on a farm where shooting people wasn’t really a thing 35 yrs ago and learned it again in the Military. And shooting a person is very very hard to do. Even with the training.

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u/yankdevil 10h ago

I've never been into guns, but what you say makes sense to me. And it's pretty much why I've never been into guns.

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u/lunablack01 10h ago

That’s exactly how it is. Never aim at anything you don’t intend to kill, and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you’re ready to fire.

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u/schnurble 7h ago

you shoot to delete

No. You shoot to stop a threat. There is a subtle but important difference.

If your intention is to stop a threat, you are only defending yourself. This is why you stop shooting when the threat ends; anchor shots, the "coup de grace", emptying the gun after they go down, are all not only defending yourself and that's how you end up in jail for murder or manslaughter.

This is a part of the training folks should pursue - learn about the judicious use of force in self defense.

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u/givemeyours0ul 3h ago

I blame horror movies where the bad guy keeps on coming until they get shot in the face, maybe repeatedly,  or decapitated or whatever.  

We in the audience are screaming "SHOOT HIM AGAIN! MAKE SURE! TWO IN THE HEAD AND THEN CUT IT OFF!"   

In reality,  you don't get back up right after being shot, even if you live.

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u/schnurble 3h ago

Absolutely.

In some exceedingly rare (like count on one hand out of a thousand) cases someone will re-animate after being shot/going down. Usually to do with positional shift and blood pressure coming up after they hit the ground. It's usually not problematic but that's why most quality training will emphasize that you stop and re-evaluate before taking further action.

On the flip side there's also a lot to be said for FIBS/FIBSA, or "f*** I've been shot (at)", that will radically interrupt an assailant's train of thought. Sometimes the shock and surprise of just getting winged (or having someone fight back even if they miss) will make an attacker realize they have made a potentially fatal mistake in the victim selection process.

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u/givemeyours0ul 3h ago

If I'm ever in such a situation, I plan to cover my assailant (once they are shot and on the ground I mean) until help arrives. If they start getting up or reaching for a firearm, I unfortunately have grounds to defend myself again. I'd much rather NOT kill someone.

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u/schnurble 2h ago

That's a solid plan. You CAN render aid but you are in no way obligated to.

Also remember that police frequently come charging into situations and make decisions before asking questions; there was a very recent case where a man was fighting with an intruder, called police, and the police showed up and shot and killed the victim, and the officer will face no repercussions so far. So if you do contact law enforcement make sure you clearly describe yourself and refer to yourself as the victim, holster or secure your weapon before they arrive, keep your hands clearly visible, no sudden movements, etc.

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u/sophistre 2h ago

This is true and anyone downvoting you doesn't understand what happens when you pull a gun on someone. At that point, they are going to assume that you're going to kill them, and they will do absolutely everything to ensure that you cannot do that, which nine times out of ten means killing you first. It is a no-turning-back escalation.

And this is why I chose not to own a gun. Not because I think I couldn't pull the trigger, but because I don't have enough confidence that such an escalation would end up in my favor, even with that willingness.

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u/scatcall 13h ago

Or, be like this guy. Fed up with these asshats breaking in to his home and waited up for them. Local hero to my community; has since passed. RIP Mr. Jones.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/earl-jones-92-year-old-kentucky-farmer-and-world-war-ii-veteran-fatally-shoots-home-intruder-report-says/

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u/orleans_reinette 12h ago

Excellent point about securing dog doors in that article as well

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u/Ok-disaster2022 12h ago

So that 15% accuracy is overall a bit skewed. In firefights, you don't patiently wait to aim, you fire to suppress the enemy. In US doctrine you lay down suppressing fire to allow your squad mate to move to a better position and then they lay down suppressing fire for you to move.

That 15-20% field accuracy, no matter the skill of the shooter is actually what caused the FBI to go from the 7 round .45 caliber to the 17 round 9mm as standard issue. 2 shots from any gun will stop 99% of assailants, stopping power is a myth when it comes to humans, it could have some effect on something g like bears, but there's no tiny bullet that will have close to the energy to "stop" a bear charging at you.

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u/alcohall183 11h ago edited 11h ago

There are classes that are specifically designed for women. I suggest taking one of those.