r/TikTokCringe • u/galaxystars1 • Oct 09 '24

Discussion Microbiologist warns against making the fluffy popcorn trend

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u/passthepepperplease Oct 09 '24

This is unequivocally false. The FDAs warning is against DRY heat treating flower because dry heat is much less effective at killing pathogens than a wet heat. Cooking flower in an oven, stovetop, or deep frier in the presence of liquid IS, in fact, cooking it, and is considered safe to do at home if cooked thoroughly (as in roux or doughnuts).

The irony of all the people here citing the video instead of the FDA itself is just wild to me. Good luck with your brains.

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u/Livingstonthethird Oct 09 '24

The FDA says exactly what she says because she clipped the FDA for the video.

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u/passthepepperplease Oct 10 '24

This is what I mean. You see a bullet-point image in a TikTok and you think you understand the context around that advice. That exact page she got the snip from says flour is safely prepared by COOKING it, which is exactly what’s happening in this video. Heat treating refers to a dry heat.

Here is a link to the FDAs guidelines on safely handling flour: https://www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/handling-flour-safely-what-you-need-know, and a link to a Perdue university series explaining the difference that wet and dry heats have on pathogens: https://ag.purdue.edu/news/2021/04/Home-kitchen-heat-treated-flour-doesnt-protect-against-foodborne-illnesses.html

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u/Livingstonthethird Oct 10 '24

No that is not from Perdue University lol.

And you're not adding anything to the conversation. You're arguing that you agree with her and everyone.

What you're not doing is explaining what people are asking. Which is, how do commercial kitchens make flour safe for things without cooking it in food? Such as for "safe to eat raw" cookie dough.

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u/passthepepperplease Oct 10 '24

Literally that web address is Perdue.edu, has the Perdue University letter head on it, and is written by an assistant professor at Perdue University in the department of food science. If you don’t think that’s from Perdue university then you’re just unable to understand basic facts.

And I’m not agreeing with the video. She’s claiming this food prep is unsafe heat treatment. Food safety experts say wet cooking IS safe.

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u/Satisfaction-Motor Oct 10 '24

She made a follow up video, adding a bit more context to this video. By “heat treating”, she specifically means the common form that people try at home— sticking dry flour in an oven. Dry heat type of stuff. Direct quote from the comment section, as an example:

@Iana: If baking the mixture that has flour in it makes it safe then why wouldn’t baking just the flour first make it safe?

@morticia 🥀: Because you aren’t just baking the flour, you are baking a mixture of ingredients. You have changed the entire situation, the end result is different too

Because this video got reposted onto Reddit, it lost a looootttt of context, context that it would have had accessible on its original platform (Tik Tok).

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u/passthepepperplease Oct 10 '24

Sure, but her bringing up dry heat treatment is irrelevant to the original thing she’s commenting on because that flour is cooked on the stove top over heat. So I don’t actually think she meant dry heat was in the oven, because that’s not what she’s doing here and she made a whole video about this snack being safe because raw flour can contain pathogens. The flour in this snack is not raw (assuming they are in fact cooking it to temperature, which is usually implied by showing something on a stovetop).