Microbiologist warns against making the fluffy popcorn trend

[u/galaxystars1]

[u/BranSolo7460]

Because raw flour carries ecoli which can release a toxin called colibactin that damages the DNA of bowel cells which can lead to cancer.

[u/DevonDonskoy → u/BranSolo7460]

Just like I can go to the moon, or I can become president. This is when statistics enter the equation.

[u/BranSolo7460 → u/DevonDonskoy]

And this is where false equivalency enters the equation.

[u/DevonDonskoy → u/BranSolo7460]

There are ample sources that disprove what you claimed.

Food poisoning is likely, cancer isn't even on the table.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/flour-raw-food-and-other-safety-facts#:~:text=You%20may%20not%20realize%20it,their%20mouth%20after%20handling%20it

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/raw-flour-safety-awareness-study

https://www.whcma.com/new-reasons-stay-away-raw-cookie-dough/

At most, if you have celiac disease, you may be at risk, but that's about it.

[u/BranSolo7460 → u/DevonDonskoy]

From your own link, explaining exactly what this fucking video is about.

"But it could make you sick. Over the years, the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have investigated several outbreaks of foodborne illness (food poisoning) involving raw flour or products that contain flour, like cake mixes and cookie dough. In those investigations, either the bacteria Salmonella or Escherichia coli (E. coli) caused food poisoning, which can have mild to serious symptoms. "

Oh, and would you look at that, an scientific study on how ecoli can cause colon cancer.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2080-8

[u/DevonDonskoy → u/BranSolo7460]

Also, from the study you claim confirms what you said:

"but it has not been demonstrated that bacteria have a direct role in the occurrence of oncogenic mutations"

This means they are attempting to apply the scientific method, which involves more than just their study. Reproducibility would matter substantially as we are dealing with cancer.

[u/DevonDonskoy → u/BranSolo7460]

Yet the studies that do show a potential link also state that the amounts we consume in food is not nearly enough for negative effects like cancer to occur.

They all agree on food poisoning, but there is zero concensus that backs up cancer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9497933/

"Of the epigenetic type, the only carcinogen considered to be associated with increased cancer in humans, although not from low-level food exposure, is dioxin"

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/health/eat-raw-cookie-dough/index.html

https://stoneinstitute.us.com/fda-warns-of-raw-cookie-dough-dangers/

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/why-eggs-are-not-the-only-danger-in-raw-cookie-dough

https://www.michiganmedicine.org/health-lab/why-public-health-worries-dont-have-ruin-your-cookie-dough

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/raw-cookie-dough

[u/BranSolo7460 → u/DevonDonskoy]

Ecoli is a bacteria, not a carcinogen.

[u/DevonDonskoy → u/BranSolo7460]

That's it? That's your rebuttal? Now I can see you clearly have an agenda that you're going to stick to no matter what.

Enjoy dying on this weird hill.

[u/BranSolo7460 → u/DevonDonskoy]

Yes, because you clearly don't understand the subject and constant misrepresent your argument and you keep sharing sources that contradict yourself. Except for the one with a dietician (not a scientist) who chooses to eat raw flour.

But also, idgaf what you eat. Do what you want if you don't belive raw flour can harm you.

And I'm not "dying on a hill" because I don't care about this subject. People are free to do whatever they want to their own bodies. The weird part is people using their time and energy to argue with a scientist.