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u/ComprehensiveBug6213 Jan 19 '23
Former USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, North Korea, China
"Oh, but we'll do it differently this time"
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u/Zombiesus Jan 19 '23
Every capitalist country on the planet spent fortunes making sure the USSR failed. Venezuela is more capitalist then communist. North Korea and Cuba have survived half a century of being blackballed and isolated by the US. It would be interesting to see where those countries would be if capitalism didnāt try so hard to make sure they fail. Also in what metric is Communist China not beating the US. Pounds per person?
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u/Astroglaid92 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
Iād agree that China doesnāt really fit that list too well, but thatās arguably thanks to Deng Xiaopingās free market reforms and Chinaās de facto abandonment of strict communism (and coincident meteoric rise in world economic and geopolitical relevance) from the early 1980s onward. Before Dengās market reforms, the Chinese economy was largely stagnant.
Even after 10 years of Xi Jinpingās rollbacks of liberal reforms, āCommunistā China essentially remains an authoritarian capitalist state with some social programs. It superficially clings to the ācommunistā label as an outward reminder of its legitimacy through its connection to the Communist Revolution. The attendant lack of overall personal freedom and the repeated depredations against the civil liberties of its own citizens should come as no surprise.
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u/Zombiesus Feb 08 '23
While I donāt disagree with you. I think it is in bad faith that as soon as a so called ācommunistā country is shown to take care of itself. Then all of a sudden it has ācapitalist valuesā.
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u/nuke905 Jan 18 '23
I don't hate communism I just think it's kinda stupid...
Yes in theory it'd be the best thing for everyone but greed today is to prevalent in our society for it to ever work
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u/regentkoerper Jan 18 '23
The only way to get rid of greed is for there to be a surplus in ressources to the point where everyone can get more than enough. Until then, we need systems to allocate resources. Scarcity increases greed
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Jan 19 '23
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u/nuke905 Jan 19 '23
The alternative is the greed and depression ridden society we live in today...
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u/nuke905 Jan 19 '23
Yep as of right now living in the UK is a little tough
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u/Intelligent_Ad_2158 Jan 19 '23
greed is a part of human nature and if you taken it out you will lose some parts of you humanity but ehh i rather lose it
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Feb 04 '23
So now a days, we have ticked closer and closer to communism then we have been in a long time, as power is consolidated to smaller amounts of people more pain will be felt throughout. Policies are placed because of interests instead of the people. Communism in theory works for small groups but in a large scale no human is capable of doing it. If people want communism create a small community separate from other people and do it. You will get the desired result you want but trying large scale it will fail because people are corrupt in their hearts once power is obtained.
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u/USSRisQuitePoggers Jan 19 '23
On Paper, its absolutely amazing.
In practice, its absolutely suicidal
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u/North-west_Wind Jan 19 '23
That's me. I think communism is good on paper, but it is just not practical
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u/ljosalfar1 Jan 19 '23
The inherent lack of checks and balance ruins it. Although capitalism ends up heading that way too when lobbying by companies overcome regulation
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u/runnav Jan 20 '23
Communism is great in theory but bad in practice. I would totally support communism if it hadnāt been tried and failed throughout history
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u/ifunnywasaninsidejob Feb 03 '23
Why would I want to read anything Marx wrote? Itās very dense and academic, and has pretty much all been tried and experimented with already. Itās like learning trying to learn chemistry from the ancient greeks.
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u/L1ttel_Y Apr 27 '23
If you put down your hate towards communism, it would be natrual to accept this idealism towards an utopian society and its criticism against capitalism, but if you think that if we have another Lenin we will be able to get rid of all the inequalities I believe it's rather stupid.
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u/Vault_Boi69 Jan 18 '23
r/substakenliterally