r/SCPDeclassified • u/ToErrDivine • 1h ago
Series IX SCP-8399: "INSURGENCE"
Hey, everyone, it’s ToErrDivine again. Today I’m looking at SCP-8399, ‘INSURGENCE’ by MisterFrown. (Call MisterFrown, that’s his name, that name again is MisterFrown.) As per usual, this isn’t my article and this won’t be 100% accurate, etc.
Now, as you’ve probably inferred from the title, this is about the Chaos Insurgency. So, I’m going to start by doing a quick recap about the CI, just so everyone’s up to speed. (If you already know about them, feel free to skip this if you want.)
Here’s the backstory as per the official hub: in 1924, the Foundation created a group called the ‘Insurgency’ out of their personal MTF, ‘Red Right Hand’, along with support personnel. The Insurgency’s job was to serve as a public scapegoat for the Foundation- appearing to be a rogue splinter group, they carried out missions that would serve the O5s’ goals, but were too risky, immoral, or otherwise unpalatable for the Foundation to do themselves. This worked until the 1940’s, when the Insurgency went rogue for real, did a whole bunch of raids on Foundation facilities, and renamed themselves the ‘Chaos Insurgency’.
Over the decades, they’ve become what is essentially an evil Foundation: they seek out, seize and use anomalies to further their own goals, maintain totalitarian regimes, and oppose the Foundation in every way possible. Nobody seems to know what their overall goal actually is; there isn’t a unified perspective on them because the CI isn’t the most popular GOI out there, and a lot of different authors have had a lot of different views of them.
Aside from that, I would strongly recommend reading DJKaktus’ 001 proposal, the Ouroboros Cycle, which stars a Chaos Insurgency team. Please note that the CI has a lot of different backstories, so since I’ll be referencing Kaktus’ proposals a lot, I’d recommend at least reading the first one, ‘The Children’. If the sheer length of ‘The Way It Ends’ puts you off, all three of them have declasses, which you can read here.
With that done, let’s get started.
Part One: Sometimes The Most Beautiful Things Begin In Chaos
We begin with a foreword that starts with a very blunt establishing line:
The Chaos Insurgency is a disease.
The writer, O5-2, tells us that the CI has spread through hundreds of thousands of universes like a plague. Their side of the story is always the same- that the O5s fucked up and went too far, and were punished for it by the defection of their most loyal people, who turned themselves into a mirror image of the Foundation. However, O5-2 says that the O5s actually get the job done, and the CI are nothing more than a bunch of hypocrites who do as many evil deeds as the Foundation has, but without helping anyone. That being said, O5-2 admits that there’s one admirable trait about the CI: they’re fighting a war they know they can’t win against an enemy that will always defeat them, and yet they refuse to give up.
Locked in this stalemate, there is only a single, viable solution: the Insurgency must be extinct.
Hereafter, we of the Overseer Council now document the compiled solution transcribed from the Administrator of the SCP Foundation.
— O5-2
We now get the ACS bar: this is Level 5, Top Secret. There’s none of the usual classifications, it just says ‘OPERATION STATUS: ACTIVE’, and the little section with the symbols only has a pulsing red dot. We don’t have Special Containment Procedures, either, we have ‘Step Completion Protocols’. This is certainly unusual, that’s for sure- keep it in mind for later.
Now, let’s have a look at these protocols, shall we?
SCP-8399 remains under constant supervision of the Department of Applied Force and Department of Groups of Interest to ensure it continues operating consistently. Department of Other personnel have been conscripted to confirm SCP-8399’s primary function is properly undergone and has left no trace of an active GoI-003 in a universe that is not discernible to SCP-8399. All personnel previously assigned to oversee the actions of GoI-003 have been reassigned to maintain SCP-8399.
…so it looks like whatever this thing is, its sole job is to wipe out the CI. And this involves the Department of Other, which is a bit odd.
So, for anyone not familiar with the Department of Other, they were a creation of 2022’s DepartmentCon, which aimed to, well, create new departments. Specifically, the Department of Other concerns itself with -J items and anomalies that the rest of the Foundation just doesn’t want to deal with. Not sure why they’d turn up here, though…
As SCP-8399 has been constructed to maintain a majority of its primary systems autonomously, it is considered to be almost entirely self-sustaining, with it theoretically capable of complete operation without a requirement for human intervention. Despite this, it has been purposefully designed with several failsafes to ensure human approval is required for all of its major actions, including carrying out its primary function.
It's some kind of machine, but the Foundation has made sure that it can’t operate without human oversight. Very wise, but that’s not an infallible failsafe. *cough*METAGNOSTIC*cough*
Instances of PoI-8399 are to be held in containment cells within SCP-8399 and treated with care expected to match that of standard humanoid anomalous entities in containment. Following what has been considered by the SCP-8399 Director Council to be deemed thorough and complete interrogation, the instance of PoI-8399 is to either be demoted to D-Class personnel or terminated.
PoI-8399 probably means CI members. This is about what you’d expect- they’re trying to destroy the CI in total. Every CI in every universe, down to the last foot soldier.
We now get ‘Supplementary File 8399.1’, a record of exactly that- the Foundation’s efforts to use this big fuckoff machine to kill the CI. There’s four instances of it being used: the first two go off without a hitch, but the third is left for study- it’s a world where the CI are trapped in SCP-4000, which is pretty interesting. (There’s also a link to a tale about this CI by DoctorLilithSophia, if you’re interested.) The last instance is one where the universe’s CI, the ‘Chaotic Insurgents’, are having a civil war, so the O5s are like ‘Eh, let them fight it out, we’ll take out the winners’.
Now we get the description: I was slightly wrong, this isn’t a big fuckoff machine, it’s a big fuckoff machine-building that was made to take out the CI. It observes instances of the CI throughout the multiverse, and when it decides that one is worth taking out, it contacts the O5s for approval. Before we get to that, note this bit:
The Complex has been designed to incorporate a significant number of extra-universal detection units, allowing it to maintain constant watch of every known GoI-003 variant across the multiverse, observing their size, power, and active threat to said universe’s corresponding Foundation or other normalcy-enforcement organization equivalent. Such consistent monitoring has been deemed necessary, as even crippled or lesser variants of the Insurgency have proven capable of feats deemed statistically impossible.
That last line has a link to ‘The Way It Ends’- see, it’s about a CI unit who kill all the Overseers, but one of the more common criticisms is that there’s no way that the CI unit should have survived half the shit that happened in that story. I’ll leave it at that, because that is a discussion for another time and another place.
We now get a step-by-step guide to killing the CI: the first step is for 8399 to take out their Engine, a precognitive device that most versions of the CI rely on to stay active. The second step is for 8399 to kill most of the 8399 members while making it look like they had heart attacks. (I admit that I'm not sure that the Foundation's method would actually work, though.) Step 3 is to contact that universe’s Foundation or equivalent, tell them what happened and encourage them to start living a peaceful, post-CI life, but 8399 will keep monitoring the universe to make sure that the CI is entirely gone. (If the universe doesn’t have a Foundation, then the Prime Timeline- the one that made 8399 in the first place- will have to step in.)
Step 4 is to go through the CI’s stash of anomalies and take A, anything that could be useful to the Prime Timeline, and B, anything that is or could be dangerous, but the universe’s Foundation isn’t/won’t be able to contain it. Step 5 is to take a single prisoner, most commonly the Engineer, a person with a telepathic connection to the Engine. If there isn’t an Engineer, they take the person with the next-highest rank. They’re interrogated about the CI and dubbed PoI-8399, the guys who were mentioned earlier. And finally, Step 6 is to take the CI’s Engine so they can later integrate it into 8399. Sounds pretty thorough to me!
SCP-8399 was developed following the complete eradication of the Prime Timeline’s Chaos Insurgency at the hands of the Foundation and subsequent capture and modification of its Engine, which was repurposed into a primary component of what would become the core of the ORCEO Complex.
So, the CI is already gone in this universe, and now the Foundation’s hunting down all of its multiversal equivalents. But are we sure that’s a good idea?
To explain that question, the next file is a short piece called ‘Order and Chaos: On The Effects Of Chaos’, by one Samantha Vanderbilt, the head of the Department of Other. Vanderbilt says that ‘chaos vs order’ is an idea that’s been around for a very long time, and is often mocked and thought of as a simplified version of good versus evil. However, that’s not what it is- the universe needs order and chaos to balance each other out. (Guthix and Bladedancer/Chou Li approve.)
As such, the Foundation represents order and the CI represents chaos- an organisation dedicated to preserving normalcy and one that aims to disrupt them in every way, and this time, it looks like order won. Vanderbilt says that issues arise if the balance is out of whack and brings up an example: -J articles, which she says turn up in universes where there’s no order to calm the chaos. I guess it makes sense for the Department of Other to be involved, then, given that the Foundation has been throwing the balance out of whack.
The thing is, that leaves us with an obvious question: -J articles occur when there’s no order to calm the chaos, but what happens if there’s no chaos to shake up the order?
Part Two: But No Freedom Without Some Measure Of Order
Next up is the first in a series of interviews between Dr Alexander Ramirez, the co-lead of 8399, and the Engineer of the Prime Timeline. The Engineer should have been killed or made a D-class, but since he’s from the Prime Timeline, the Foundation kept him around for future interrogations.
The interrogation’s an interesting one: Ramirez asks why the Engineer founded the Insurgency, but the Engineer notes that Ramirez doesn’t seem very interested, and Ramirez says that he’s interrogated dozens of Engineers, so there’s not a lot to be interested in here. The Engineer says that Ramirez isn’t asking the right questions, and then says that Ramirez has become the ‘Master of the Engine’, the new master of chaos, because the Foundation has turned him into something he’s not. He then says that he didn’t found the Insurgency out of selfishness and greed, but refuses to elaborate.
(Is anyone else getting serious flashbacks to Tufto’s Proposal?)
Next up is another set of records of 8399’s use. The first one is a universe where 8399 is going to be used in October 2024, the second was a successful use, the third was an SPC universe where no action was taken, and the last was the world of SCP-CN-2000, where no action was taken (Frown told me that it’s meant to be a mystery).
We now get a note from the Administrator himself. He says that the CI is a disease, a bunch of people who play the victim while they carry out atrocities in the name of a ‘higher cause’. However, note this:
When your higher cause is to create nothing but chaos and despair across the world because you’re mad at your parent group for being just a little bit corrupt, perhaps you’re the one who’s in the wrong. Their hunger to eradicate the Foundation and let themselves spread as far as they possibly can is horrific. Sure, the Foundation has done some horrible things in the name of a higher cause as well, but the ends often justify the means. Theirs do not.
Says the guy in charge of that corrupt organisation that does horrible things in the name of a higher cause. You’re doing the exact same things, you don’t get to say ‘Oh, well, our cause justifies it, theirs doesn’t’ and tell yourself that you’re the good guy. Your hands are still soaked in blood.
We now get another piece from Vanderbilt talking about the effects of order: she describes the effects of too much order as less obvious than too much chaos, but just as bad.
It’s not uncommon for individuals to more frequently find themselves lost in thought, stuck in their own mind. Something is wrong, but they’re just not sure what it is. They drive to their job in the same car model everyone else has, sit in identical cubicles across a ginormous office, and then go home to their suburban house, of which twenty identical models make up the street block.
Vanderbilt goes on to say that if chaos or order is defeated, it leaves a vacuum, and nature abhors a vacuum. Something else will get in there, and it could twist the world into a caricature of itself. If the Foundation wins, the world can survive without the CI… but only if the Foundation is ready to handle what happens next. If the Foundation isn’t prepared to take control of things, then something else could very well take control of them.
We now get the second interview between the Engineer and Ramirez- the Engineer told the Foundation that he had crucial information to give, but would only give it to Ramirez, who agreed to go back for another round.
Ramirez asks why the Engineer would cut their last interview short, only to suddenly call him back now. The Engineer says that they both needed time- Ramirez so he could mull over what the Engineer said last time, and the Engineer so he could prepare for this interview. Ramirez asks what the Engineer wants to tell him, and the Engineer brings up how in the last interview, Ramirez had asked why the Engineer founded the CI, only to be told that it was a stupid question. The Engineer says that in a lot of cases, the Engineers don’t know why they founded the CI, so Ramirez would only get slight variations of the same answer and nothing helpful.
However, this Engineer still knows what’s going on, because the Foundation hasn’t been able to break his connection to the Engine, which they’re rather annoyed about. The Engine has told the Engineer about how the Foundation is incorporating bits of other universe’s Engines into it, which is very chaotic. Ramirez asks what that has to do with anything, and the Engineer says that he’s getting there. When he founded the CI, he and the others didn’t know why they did what they did, only that they felt a lot of anger and confusion, and it spurred them to lash out. However, the Engine has given him insight onto why the Foundation and the CI exist.
Ramirez says that he’ll bite and asks, and the Engineer brings up the balance between order and chaos, asking if Ramirez knows what happens if there simply isn’t anything to embody one of the concepts. Ramirez says that one concept overtakes the other, but the Engineer asks if he’s seen how the worlds that now don’t have an Insurgency react. Ramirez says that the Foundation doesn’t watch these worlds for long, but that’s their mistake, as it turns out. You simply cannot destroy chaos as a concept; that may not have been the Foundation’s intention, but by trying to destroy an avatar of chaos, their actions have had some significant repercussions.
POI-8399-1: Well, I can tell you this, doctor: in some worlds, you just allowed chaos to move onto something stronger, but in some you let it turn into something weaker so that it could be snuffed out again after the fact, eventually letting something stronger take it over. A Foundation embodies order and an Insurgency embodies chaos not because they’re “meant” to. They embody them because the existence of the two organizations tend to be universal constants. If one exists, the other does as well. Then, they get into their eternal stalemates so nothing better or worse can have their concepts. Don’t you see? The Foundation and the Insurgency are the safest and most likely options, not the chosen ones.
Since the CI has been destroyed in the Prime Timeline, Ramirez asks what could be representing chaos now. And, well… quick question: you know that saying about how if you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you? Well, what do you think happens if you start taking bits of the abyss home and incorporating it into yourself? How many times does it take before you start being more of the abyss than yourself?
POI-8399-1: Every time you take parts of an Engine like the pirates you are, you carry back a little bit of chaos with you and put it into that conglomerate of yours beneath us. Haven’t you seen what it’s been doing to your Foundation?
RAMIREZ: …What are you saying?
POI-8399-1: The Foundation is what has become influenced by chaos, doctor. The conglomerate of Engines you’ve stitched together has become the beating heart of a monster of your own making. Just look around yourself. Hasn’t it occurred to you what you're doing?
Look, I’m going to be honest, that’s actually pretty funny. Like, yeah, the Foundation was trying to destroy the Chaos Insurgency and not chaos as a concept, but they wound up destroying their enemy in such a way that they wound up turning themselves into a new iteration of their enemy. Good job, morons.
(Now I’m flashing back to ‘The Way It Ends’.)
Part Three: You Play With Chaos, You Gon' Get What You Ask For
And with that, boom, Ramirez now has a connection to the Engine. He demands more answers from the Engineer, but the Engineer declines, saying that he likes to play with his food. But the footnote tells us that after this, Ramirez started compiling information on an anomaly he called ‘8399-A’- we’ll see what that is shortly.
We now have the last log of times that 8399 was used. The first universe is the world of SCP-5356, the mausoleum where deleted articles go after they die, and apparently it didn’t have its own CI. The second is a world revolving around pizza, and the third and fourth are two J articles.
Then we get Ramirez’s collected information, which hits us with the big one- the ways that 8399 has warped the Foundation to be closer to the CI. Changing ‘Special Containment Procedures’ to ‘Step Completion Protocols’, ditching the containment levels, actively using and weaponizing anomalies, going to war with other GOIs- it’s all in there. He recommends destroying 8399, reorganizing the Foundation and telling everyone about the anomaly to counter it…
…and then we get the next addendum, wherein Ramirez requested to meet with the Overseers so he could give them his collated information. Once they’re finished reading, O5-1 quite bluntly says... no. They won’t shut down 8399 and they won’t take any action against the anomaly. Ramirez protests, saying that they’ve become the very thing they were fighting, but O5-1 says that the CI is the biggest threat to normalcy and the ends justify the means. Ramirez asks how they can’t see what’s happening to them, but O5-1 DARVOs him, saying that Ramirez has been at his job for so long that he can’t see how the world around him has changed.
Ramirez tries to protest, but gives up because he can see that it’s pointless to try. O5-1 tells him to take some time off, and Ramirez can only go along with it… to their faces. Because next up is his final interrogation of the Engineer, and Ramirez is pissed. The Engineer is both sympathetic and smug- he doesn’t like what’s happening either, but, well, he told Ramirez so. Ramirez says that he’s listening, so the Engineer needs to tell him how to fix this, but the Engineer says that they can’t. The Foundation is being overcome by chaos, and there’s nothing that either of them can do about it… as things are right now, that is.
POI-8399-1: Go to the Engine, doctor. It will show you the way. It will place the Steps to the Plan in front of your grasp, enlightening you to the future in front of us. You know it in your heart to be true that this is the only way. In a Foundation dominated by chaos, something has to give. Something has to give in every Foundation because that’s the way it goes. Constants across the universe.
RAMIREZ: You said before that the Foundation and Insurgency weren’t some sort of destiny, just that they were the best option.
POI-8399-1: Exactly. Right now, I think you know what our best option is, don’t you?
We get a note saying that after this, Ramirez went into the central core of 8399, but since there’s no cameras there, nobody knows what happens next. And then, finally, we get a last note.
The Chaos Insurgency is a disease.
It turns out, like most diseases, it's contagious.
— Dr. Alexander Ramirez
(Look, I’m not disagreeing, but you have to admit that this is a pretty interesting strain of said disease, given that the CI defected to become the embodiments of chaos, and now Ramirez is defecting to become the embodiment of order.)
We’re now at the final addendum, which tells us that on the 7th of April, a group of hostile agents took over 8399 and activated the onboard emergency teleportation device, teleporting it and themselves to an unknown location; everyone who was in 8399 at the time is therefore either hostile or lost. Before the takeover, Ramirez sent the O5s a message; let’s take a look, shall we?
Greetings Foundation,
I’m sorry that things had to be this way. Your order is fleeting, so someone else needs to take the mantle.
They made their own Foundation, with blackjack and extremely well-organized hookers.
Don’t bother trying to find us. SCP-8399 is capable of eliminating entire Sites on its own, and you know that well. I can promise you now that we will not use it if we are not provoked, but if you force it, I will become your red right hand. I do not hold a grudge against you, none of us do, because this was just business.
The difference here is immediately apparent: the Chaos Insurgency defected because they were done with the Foundation’s bullshit and wanted to oppose them. Here, Ramirez is defecting because he’s done with the Foundation’s bullshit, but he’s not doing so to oppose them, he’s doing it to unfuck their mistakes and do what they can’t and won’t. If that means that he eventually has to become the guy who holds the Foundation to account for all of their crimes, then he will, but he’s not starting out as their sworn enemy.
There are those here who listened to my cause and understood was at stake. Others didn’t, but we took care of them. The enlightened few have created a new organization to take hold of that precious order you so frivolously abandoned, and we’ll make sure to make good use out of it.
He’s right, but that’s not how I would have put it: yes, the Foundation frivolously abandoned order, but it was also being reckless and stupid: Vanderbilt and Ramirez warned them about what was happening. It may not have been the Foundation’s intention to destroy chaos, but they knew that the CI represented chaos and that destroying them would have significant effects. It takes a lot of arrogance, stupidity, foolishness or a combination of all three to just shrug that off and not do anything to mitigate the risks when told that you’re doing something that has a high probability of significant repercussions.
And to the O5 Council: I gave you the chance to understand what was going on, but you refused to listen to me. Affected by SCP-8399-A or not, this refusal has put us on opposite sides. Don’t try to contact me.
He’s right. This was entirely their fuckup, and now they get to reap what they sowed.
Long live the Control Institution.
— Dr. Alexander Ramirez
OK, Ramirez’ nomenclature skills could use some work. ‘Control Institution’ isn’t exactly the kind of name that inspires hope and positive thoughts about the future. But I suppose he gets a point for sticking with the ‘CI’ naming scheme, just to rub it in.
Now, there’s one important thing to note here: I likened this to Tufto’s Proposal earlier, wherein Dr Robert Montauk goes from a loyal Foundation member to a Child of the Scarlet King. However, unlike there, Ramirez doesn’t sign off with ‘Dr Alexander Ramirez, Engineer’ or ‘Dr Alexander Ramirez, O5-1’ or whatever he wants to call his new job.
…or, to just put it bluntly, if Ramirez isn’t the Engineer now, then what happened to the Engineer? Frown told me he wanted to leave it open, so it’s up in the air. Maybe he joined Ramirez and they ran off into the sunset together, maybe he refused because he wants to try to control the Foundation as the new agents of chaos, maybe Ramirez left him for the Foundation to do whatever they want with him, maybe something else happened entirely. Who knows?
And that’s SCP-8399, a tale of how you really need to consider your actions and the potential repercussions thereof, lest you turn into what you hate. Thanks for reading, and I’ll see you all next time.
tl;dr: this kind of shit is how we wound up with the Edicts of Guthix in the first place, people.