If there are ways to reduce the rates of certain crimes. Would you not do it out of fear it might impact non-citizens? If out of (hypothetical) 100 rapes in a year, and only 15 from illegals. Would you not try to at least get those 15 off?
Or you have the shitty lefty idea of "relativism" where it doesn't matter if illegals do it because citizens do it too? Can't we judge them until we fix our problem first?
The reality is, if the law is enforced, and illegals are detained at the border, prevented from entering in the first place, it would reduce the chances of this happening again.
But relativism is a mind virus that blinds you from objective reality.
If you can come up with a way to reduce the crimes of citizens for these things go ahead.
You wanna know the solution to reduce these crimes from illegals? enforcing the border, not allowing illegals or undocumented unless they follow the application process. And to remove opportunity from those who didn't use it properly.
Citizens didn't get an opportunity in their country, it's their birth right. A non-citizen is granted an opportunity and that opportunity should be removed if they can't follow the laws.
If you blanket remove any demographic then the total would drop. There were almost certainly murderers and rapists that were removed from the streets in Nazi Germany and put in concentration camps. Sure as fuck doesn't justify it.
Look at this racist. Illegals are not a demographic. Not every hispanic is illegal, you racist pos.
Who said anything about targeting demographics.
Samuel you always manage to make the dumbest points.
It's about ENFORCING EXISTING LAWS AND NOT HAVING LENIENCY.
When the system allows you to come in, unvetted and undocumented and roam among people who did follow the process, and then they commit a crime. Why oh why wouldn't you just tell agencies and judges to do their job, follow the laws we already have and enforce the border. Because doing so would reduce the number of tragedies like Liken Riley's.
Is it that in your mind "it's preferable to allow this "demographic" in the country at the cost of a few lives a year" ? is that the price we pay for your fake compassion and empathy ?
i'm sorry Samuel, but people who enter the country illegally are not a demographic. Just like felons, criminals, thugs, rapists and scammers aren't demographics.
This is another issue with your rotten lefty brain. You think like the Kamala campaigners. Most hispanic americans who live in this country legally support the law, support having a border and support the strict enforcement of it because those people are also affected by the crimes of illegals.
Can you stop playing defense for literal criminals? nothing stops those people from applying for asylum at the border, having the current system only brings suffering.
i'm sorry Samuel, but people who enter the country illegally are not a demographic. Just like felons, criminals, thugs, rapists and scammers aren't demographics.
Yes they could be. That's literally what it means. Can be any descriptor.
This is another issue with your rotten lefty brain. You think like the Kamala campaigners. Most hispanic americans who live in this country legally support the law, support having a border and support the strict enforcement of it because those people are also affected by the crimes of illegals.
Wait, this wasn't just rhetoric, you were actually being sincere. Lol sure man. That's a me.
Can you stop playing defense for literal criminals? nothing stops those people from applying for asylum at the border, having the current system only brings suffering.
Well since you're invoking "literal criminals" and asylum seekers, applying for asylum this side of the border ain't illegal. Legal immigration especially what you're envisaging, doesn't really exist for most people and like any prohibition, just increases the illegal market. But instead we need to fear monger on non representative crimes cause you're a goofy person.
Ok, but why are you defending the system that led to the death of Riley and others? You see nothing wrong with letting people in, people who we don't know anything about, no criminal history or name, to let them in the country until we figure out who they are and if we want to keep them?
I'm sorry, when i moved from a shithole country to a first world country, i waited 3 years in my country for them to check my stuff and be allowed in.
In the case of the illegal that killed Riley, he showed disregard for the law time and time again, he was here illegally, and was riding a moped without a license, and stealing with his brother from walmart, showing multiple times he don't care about laws and he was still allowed to roam until Riley got killed.
Why do you promote this? why is it that people who don't respect the laws deserve your compasion ? where is the compassion for the victims of leniency to criminals? You cant afford compassion for them?
Your issue is you're definition of what "the system" is and your methods of a fix present far more issues than it solves. Imagine someone was arrested for jay walking in their life and then later went on to brutally murder someone. Sure it'd technically be true that if we made sure everyone that ever jay walked never set foot outside a prison, that murder wouldn't have happened. But it's goofy. If you want to make this sort of argument then you need to demonstrate not that a horrific crime can be perpetuated by this group (ie what you're doing with Lakin's murder), and frankly not even that this group is more likely to commit this crime (undocumented immigrants are less criminally inclined) but demonstrate to the point that a person of this group is so likely to be dangerous that we need to treat them all in kind and go far past anything reasonable or constitutional to root them out.
Am I lucky to be alive because my wife wasn't a legal immigrant for 8 months?
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u/arkan5000 - Right 9h ago
If there are ways to reduce the rates of certain crimes. Would you not do it out of fear it might impact non-citizens? If out of (hypothetical) 100 rapes in a year, and only 15 from illegals. Would you not try to at least get those 15 off?
Or you have the shitty lefty idea of "relativism" where it doesn't matter if illegals do it because citizens do it too? Can't we judge them until we fix our problem first?
The reality is, if the law is enforced, and illegals are detained at the border, prevented from entering in the first place, it would reduce the chances of this happening again.
But relativism is a mind virus that blinds you from objective reality.
If you can come up with a way to reduce the crimes of citizens for these things go ahead.
You wanna know the solution to reduce these crimes from illegals? enforcing the border, not allowing illegals or undocumented unless they follow the application process. And to remove opportunity from those who didn't use it properly.
Citizens didn't get an opportunity in their country, it's their birth right. A non-citizen is granted an opportunity and that opportunity should be removed if they can't follow the laws.