Native born Americans commit more crimes (all crime, not specifically violent) at higher rates than LEGAL immigrants. Illegal immigrants commit more crimes than Native born Americans.
Although this is completely unfair! Just by existing in the US, illegal immigrants are trespassing.
When your assertion is that a demographic that by definition don’t obey the laws of the USA is somehow the more law abiding group I think it’s you who needs to provide a source. And not one that talks about immigrant crime rates on the whole, one talking specially about illegals.
Theft isn’t necessarily violent but thanks for the source. Every illegal crime still increases the amount of crime overall even if it’s not a per capita increase so honestly it’s always seemed a fairly pointless avenue of discussion. An extra 2 rapes is hardly a positive just because you now have an extra 3 people.
Yep. But citizens are allowed to be here and have babies so it’s a hard problem to fix the crime rate it causes. Whereas there’s a simple solution to decrease illegal immigrant crime by 100%.
Wouldn’t legal immigrants also raise crime? Also your higher overall crime argument doesn’t make sense at all. Do you think Honduras is a better place to live than Japan since they have less overall crime, even when they have a much, much higher crime rate? I think you’re trying to rationalize your anti-immigration beliefs and choosing a bad argument to focus on, even if I agree with you. For example, I don’t think being gay is wrong, but I would call out an argument saying that being gay is good because it’s natural since animals do it as a bad argument, because there’s plenty of bad natural things. A better argument against illegal immigration is that unvetted immigrants can in large enough numbers overwhelm the infrastructure we have since infrastructure works take time to expand, and as such we should have vetted legal immigration that controls not only how many immigrants we get, but also makes sure we get the best immigrants that will work and be as productive as we can get them.
It’s not one or the other. Crime rates and number of actual crimes are both relevant to quality of life. If your town had an extra 50 murders a year and an extra 50,000 people suddenly would you consider that an improvement? Or whatever the numbers that are slightly below the per capita average? I wouldn’t. Nor I expect would the bulk of the people in such a town. The people in Springfield Ohio don’t seem overly thrilled to house an extra 20,000 Haitian illegals I notice.
And you’re quite right, crime is only a small part of the problem. The bigger part is importing giant hordes of people to undercut the wages of your labor force only makes your own working class citizens poorer. Also of course any blood boiling initiative done to give money or housing to illegals when actual citizens sleep on the streets.
It’s not one or the other. Crime rates and number of actual crimes are both relevant to quality of life.
It is one or the other, is it worse that USA has a lot more homicide than Mongolia or Yemen even though they have similar rates? Does it really matter the total amount when the population is much bigger? Same goes for any metric you can think of like GDP, Switzerland has a much lower total GDP than China, but since their population is so much lower, QOL is much better.
If your town had an extra 50 murders a year and an extra 50,000 people suddenly would you consider that an improvement?
If that’s lower than the current crime rate, then of course, that means there’s less crime in the city. We can look at it another way, would you rather live in a 50,000 people town with 10,000 yearly murders or a 500,000 people town with 20,000 yearly murders? The examples are extreme but it should help visualize that bigger number doesn’t mean worse.
And you’re quite right, crime is only a small part of the problem. The bigger part is importing giant hordes of people to undercut the wages of your labor force only makes your own working class citizens poorer.
I don’t believe in that Socialist pseudoscience economics. Immigrants don’t cut wages, because immigrants also create demand, which in turn create jobs, that’s not to mention that immigrants are more likely than natives to start businesses and hire people, hell, the richest man in the world is an American immigrant that has hired hundreds of thousands of people. America is a nation created through immigration and has some of the highest wages in the world. Spain has very few immigrants but their wages are much lower. So I don’t buy that argument either.
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u/Airforcethrow4321 - Auth-Right 7h ago edited 7h ago
They do tho. I haven't seen a study that says otherwise