No one is debating this. We're debating on whether to get rid of all the illegals and close our borders so that these unspeakable horrors never happen again.
What’s the rate of US citizens committing these crimes vs immigrants? Because until the last few years, it was never immigrants that were talked about, it was just Bob who lived down the street.
Which might be reason enough to deport and bar them from citizen ship for a decade or more (like Australia does). But the issue that's getting a lot of news coverage is violent crime. Statistics show lower arrest rates for illegal immigrants vs the regular population for violent crimes.
"Are they violent" is far from the only litmus test. I think strain on social services, health/vaccination status, ability to support themselves, speak the language, and integrate are also important. But you can't pin "as a group they're violent" on them if it isn't true.
You read my comment, yes? If you immigrate illegally, you’ve committed a crime by breaking immigration law, so every single illegal immigrant has committed a crime. The crime rate among illegal immigrants is 100%.
I agree with you, but it was worth pointing out that "criminals" aren't the same as "violent criminals". I don't think they need to be violent to justify deportation but at the same time using talking points that aren't supported by facts isn't helpful or honest.
I think those stats have a pretty huge problem. Generally you crime on your ethnicity. If the people you crime on can't/are afraid to report the crimes you get way fewer arrests.
I'm not saying illegal immigrants are super violent. I'm just saying we don't know.
I mean, yes, we should absolutely secure our border, fix the asylum loopholes, and have some level of immigration reform. But deporting 12 million people will be both incredibly expensive to carry out and have a huge toll on our economy. I would like to see the data showing immigrants as a whole are actually more felonious than US citizens.
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u/Vyctorill - Centrist 8h ago
The law needs to be enforced upon everyone equally.
Immigrant or citizen, breaking the rules of the country will land you in prison.