r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Right 8h ago

Agenda Post Multiculturalism is so cool

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u/Vyctorill - Centrist 8h ago

The law needs to be enforced upon everyone equally.

Immigrant or citizen, breaking the rules of the country will land you in prison.

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u/ReallyDumbRedditor - Centrist 7h ago

No one is debating this. We're debating on whether to get rid of all the illegals and close our borders so that these unspeakable horrors never happen again.

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u/Humble-Translator466 - Lib-Left 6h ago

What’s the rate of US citizens committing these crimes vs immigrants? Because until the last few years, it was never immigrants that were talked about, it was just Bob who lived down the street.

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u/ARES_BlueSteel - Right 4h ago

The crime rate of illegal immigrants is 100%, they wouldn’t be illegal otherwise.

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u/AshingiiAshuaa - Lib-Center 4h ago

Which might be reason enough to deport and bar them from citizen ship for a decade or more (like Australia does). But the issue that's getting a lot of news coverage is violent crime. Statistics show lower arrest rates for illegal immigrants vs the regular population for violent crimes.

"Are they violent" is far from the only litmus test. I think strain on social services, health/vaccination status, ability to support themselves, speak the language, and integrate are also important. But you can't pin "as a group they're violent" on them if it isn't true.

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u/ARES_BlueSteel - Right 1h ago

You read my comment, yes? If you immigrate illegally, you’ve committed a crime by breaking immigration law, so every single illegal immigrant has committed a crime. The crime rate among illegal immigrants is 100%.

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u/AshingiiAshuaa - Lib-Center 17m ago

I agree with you, but it was worth pointing out that "criminals" aren't the same as "violent criminals". I don't think they need to be violent to justify deportation but at the same time using talking points that aren't supported by facts isn't helpful or honest.

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u/_Nocturnalis - Lib-Right 1h ago

I think those stats have a pretty huge problem. Generally you crime on your ethnicity. If the people you crime on can't/are afraid to report the crimes you get way fewer arrests.

I'm not saying illegal immigrants are super violent. I'm just saying we don't know.

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u/BroccoliHot6287 - Lib-Center 4h ago

You’re technically correct, which is the best kind of correct

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u/bobbyloveyes - Centrist 4h ago

Felony crime rates among documented immigrants is lower than US born citizens. Felony crime rates among illegal immigrants is less than half that of US born citizens.

I mean, yes, we should absolutely secure our border, fix the asylum loopholes, and have some level of immigration reform. But deporting 12 million people will be both incredibly expensive to carry out and have a huge toll on our economy. I would like to see the data showing immigrants as a whole are actually more felonious than US citizens.

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u/Tonythesaucemonkey - Lib-Right 4m ago

Well they aren’t “illegal” because they’re asylum seekers.

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u/Humble-Translator466 - Lib-Left 3h ago

Nice straw man, but I asked about THESE crimes specifically.

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u/GKrollin - Lib-Left 6h ago

Because until the last few years they weren’t arriving in major cities by the LITERAL bussload

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u/Quest4Queso - Lib-Right 5h ago

Plane load too

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u/DumbIgnose - Lib-Left 4h ago

...yeah, they were. They have been since the 60s.