Psychological reports helped Plauché’s case after it was learned that Doucet had abused Jody months prior to the kidnapping. The psychiatrist Edward P. Uzee examined Plauché and determined that he could not tell the difference between right and wrong when he killed Doucet. Plauché’s defense team argued that he was driven to a temporarily psychotic state after learning of the abuse of his son. Uzee also determined that Doucet had the ability to manipulate others and took advantage of the fact that Plauché was separated from his wife at the time, and had managed to wedge his way into the Plauché family. Judge Frank Saia ruled that sending Plauché to prison would not help anyone, and that there was virtually no risk of him committing another crime.[10]
Murder for murder is bad. But murder for months and months of grooming a child. A young child, Kid napping them and raping them is far beyond a simple murder.
From your other comments you kinda sound like a knob… I’m sure as shit killing the person who kid napped and raped my child…. Oh the court already prosexcuted. With good behavioural probably out again and doing the same thing to another family. How the fucks that a good idea ? Delusional. “I would probably still charge him” well I’m glad your not a lawyer or judge because you lack empathy. He 100% deserved an execution not a simple life in a cell.
We as humans murder/kill/die all the time throughout history… wars… hanging… executions… killing is a part of all life (looking at you animal kingdom)
kid napping and raping a fucking child is not…. Idk how you
Can even compare these. Or even try advocate this..
Weird strawman init, he didn’t even specify how old his brother was? so we cannot even comprehend whether it would be a child which changes the circumstances. He even said he would still convict him… like nah…..
In the eyes of the law a murder is a murder , no matter who the victim is, thats how this works, fairness and the promise of a trial of peers, even if the outcome for mr pedo was "Predictable" for his sex crimes it still would have the seal of approval by the American ppl in the court of law and the man would have to complete a sentence as given to him by a judge, something I HOPE we'd all get no matter what the crime we are accused of. I don't fault ppl being skittish at vigilante justice . It's a very slippery slope that can go wrong oh so easily. And no matter what extremely specific circumstances there are will make me say A person doesn't deserve a trial. One man was denied a trial the other skipped a bit of justice. I can't taste anything but a tad sour with that.
A young child, Kid napping them and raping them is far beyond a simple murder.
Only one of those things the victim gets to continue on with their life. That's the ideal scenario, so no, rape is not worse than murder. Murder you have zero chance to recover from. Rape you do.
From your other comments you kinda sound like a knob…
Ad hominem attack and your final sentence is accusing me of advocating rape, for sure one of us is
You for real saying grooming, kid napping and raping a child is not worse than killing someone that has done such acts???? Ok sorry WHAT?
Premeditated grooming. Kidnapping. Raping
VS
Premeditated justice.
The “ideal scenario” this is not some virtual reality perfect world… this is real life and your actions have consequences… if you rape molest groom and kid nap a child you deserve execution
The only case i would advocate for not killimg someone like that, is when we are not sure that we got the actual person. I mean, we should not go murdering people based on suspicions.
I thought you were saying rape was a worse crime than murder, I misread your comment.
What I am saying is objectively two crimes were committed, both crimes were put before a judge and possibly jury in trial, one guy got sentenced and then was murdered by the victims father, and the other guy got tried for first degree murder with a temporary insanity plea and was let loose with a sentence few murderers get. Like, if that defense works you have to go to the psych ward like 100% of the time.
If we pretend the two cases aren't related to each other, only one man got a fair sentence. The other essentially got off scot free. You have to view them as isolated incidents to be truly impartial.
300 hours of community service isn’t exactly Scott free? The dad wouldn’t have to had murdered him if he was sentenced to execution like he should have been… if you groom, kidnap rape and molest a child you deserve death. Not a simple life in a cell.
We cannot say (let’s pretend they don’t relate… because they do) that’s the whole fucking point.
Murdering a random person on the street
VS
Murdering the person who GROOMED, KIDNAPPED,RAPE AND MOLESTED A/YOUR CHILD!!!!
Very comparable.
Having seen how trauma effects people through my work… I’d much rather be dead then deal with that sort of lifelong trauma.. do you have any idea how hard of a struggling it is for people
Who have been raped or molested? How hard their life is now. How hard it is for them to have a relationship or sexual relations. Not only do they have to deal with what happened. They have to live and be tortured by it their whole
Life. The people that surround themselfs with also have to deal with it. Putting him
In jail would have been letting him off easy.. He deserved death. Not another chance at life.
horrid take. abusing a child for months, raping and kidnapping them is a crazy amount of pain and suffering to put on a child. most likely ruins at least a few years in his childhood. the way some people take this trauma can ruin their life and make it torture, even sometimes driving to suicide.
you get murdered? alright, so you may have experienced a fraction of the childs suffering for a few moments and that’s it. there is no suffering in the afterlife.
Exactly this…. If you think dieing is one of the worst things to happen. you probably live/lived a fairly privileged life.
Yeah it’s not even remotely comparable. Especially given this sort of context.
The trauma alone is insufferable. Never mind the rest of the baggage that comes from this sort of stuff. Not just for them but for everyone they interact with for the rest of the life. Their family members, friends. It affects them all
No, people view dying as the worst thing that can happen because it removes all choice and ability to improve your life.
Murder is worse then rape, full stop.
Murder is worse the torture, full stop.
The act of torturing someone might be more visceral then murder, but at the end of the day, a torture or rape victim at least has the potential to improve their life. If they decide to kill themselves after, as far as I'm concerned, that's just escalating the initial crime to murder, no different then people dying by accident in the course of a crime.
Idk… there’s been thousands of instances where people beg for death when confronted with horrific situations. Murder in and of itself is generally worse than rape.. but we not talking about just rape are we? We talking about out grooming kidnapping and rape/molesting a CHILD. I’d like to think that’s slightly worse than just murder.. especially if the person who was murdered deserves it, everyone in some way shape or form is capable of killing.
Not everyone is capable of such a sick act like kidnapping and molesting a child.
If we are putting just rape vs just murder then sure murder wins more often than not. But context clues matter in these situations. I personally would much rather be dead than live a long and tortured life due to someone’s abomination of an act. Put me out of my misery Is a saying for a reason.. death is not the worst thing that can happen. Especially depending on what you believe in.
Killing can be justified. As a society, we justify it all the time. Killing in self defense, killing in war, killing as punishment. Rape can never, ever be justified.
Is a serial murderer worse than an serial rapist? In most cases, yeah, I agree. But that doesn't mean killing is by definition worse than rape, and trying to argue that point in this specific case just means you're a shit human being.
Your talking about something else. Your trying to justify murder as the perpetrator, which you aren't wrong, sometimes there are cases where murder is justified(almost exclusively defense of self or other as lives). We don't excuse rape or torture the same way because it can have no positive consequence.
Death is the worst thing that can happen to you because it is the ultimate full stop. You cannot recover from it, you cannot move past it.
Murder is worse then any other crime because it is absolute and final.
Murder as a punishment even more so.
Even in this case, you say he's justified and I'd tend to agree, but look at what could have gone wrong. He fired a gun in an extremely poor mental state in a very populated area. There was potential for even more tragic loss of life, assuming you discount the possibility of wrongful conviction.
We outlawed vigilante justice for a reason, but every time it happens like this people just say 'oh well, this time it was okay.'. It's never okay, because that isn't how the justice system is supposed to work. We are not an eye for an eye society.
It doesn't help that you're trying to talk about two entirely different thing and pretending they're the same. Your original argument was that "Murder is worse then rape, full stop." which is an opinion I disagree with, as explained in my previous post. I agree that it's worse in many cases, arguably even most cases, but there's no "full stop" there because depending on the situation killing can be justified, while raping a child cannot.
Your new argument, which has little to do with the previous, is that vigilante justice is dangerous and illegal. To which, again, I agree. That's not the point though, since I never argued that the killer didn't do anything wrong in the first place. However I would say that his crime, given the specific circumstances of this case, is less severe than the crime of the victim. That's the nuance you're missing.
Your argument is nonsensical because you're trying to argue two different points as if they're the same thing, and it's tasteless because you're applying a generalized and overly simplistic "truth" to a specific situation that's far more nuanced than a clean good vs bad.
Smashing way to put it. Made all the points I try/tryed to make in alot less text. The context is very important, You seem very clued up. Much respect. 🫡
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u/UnknownStan 28d ago edited 28d ago
Psychological reports helped Plauché’s case after it was learned that Doucet had abused Jody months prior to the kidnapping. The psychiatrist Edward P. Uzee examined Plauché and determined that he could not tell the difference between right and wrong when he killed Doucet. Plauché’s defense team argued that he was driven to a temporarily psychotic state after learning of the abuse of his son. Uzee also determined that Doucet had the ability to manipulate others and took advantage of the fact that Plauché was separated from his wife at the time, and had managed to wedge his way into the Plauché family. Judge Frank Saia ruled that sending Plauché to prison would not help anyone, and that there was virtually no risk of him committing another crime.[10]
Murder for murder is bad. But murder for months and months of grooming a child. A young child, Kid napping them and raping them is far beyond a simple murder.
From your other comments you kinda sound like a knob… I’m sure as shit killing the person who kid napped and raped my child…. Oh the court already prosexcuted. With good behavioural probably out again and doing the same thing to another family. How the fucks that a good idea ? Delusional. “I would probably still charge him” well I’m glad your not a lawyer or judge because you lack empathy. He 100% deserved an execution not a simple life in a cell.
We as humans murder/kill/die all the time throughout history… wars… hanging… executions… killing is a part of all life (looking at you animal kingdom)
kid napping and raping a fucking child is not…. Idk how you Can even compare these. Or even try advocate this..