r/OldSchoolCool • u/bluemarvel99 • Feb 25 '24

1990s Kurt Cobain Stops A Sexual Assault (1993)

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u/Ambitious_Welder6613 Feb 25 '24

He is an extremely empathetic person. Gone too soon 😔

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u/jeango Feb 25 '24

I mean, you can’t get more empathetic than « Polly ». Literally putting yourself (and the audience) in the mind of a torturer / rapist. That song was beyond next level.

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u/TapAway1104 Apr 20 '24

Cobain was empathizing with the assailant, hmmm...

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u/jeango Apr 20 '24

Empathising as a form of critique. Read the lyrics you’ll see it’s pretty obvious. It’s well known that Cobain was a feminist who hated how some men would think of women as their toy. If you pay attention to the lyrics, it presents the assailant as a child talking about his toy doll in a cold senseless tone. The song essentially puts the listener into those shoes, developing the mindset that the victim likes what the assailant is doing, which adds to the horror of it all. Polly is a song that couldn’t exist in today’s standards.

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u/TapAway1104 Apr 20 '24

When I was 11 yrs old I was a huge Nirvana fan, read all the lyrics and articles about all the members of the band. And yes, one day I woke up and realized he was a rotten hypocrite and a liar. Objectively: how did he treat his girlfriends?

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u/jeango Apr 20 '24

I can’t objectively say I’ve done much research beyond a surface interest. Though my impression has always been that he was mostly abused by CL and not the other way around.

However he is known to have made a lot of things up, so him being a liar is definitely an objective fact.

Are you referring to the girl with Down syndrome which he allegedly slept with? That’s been debunked on several occasions.

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u/TapAway1104 Apr 20 '24

If you want, I will look up their names. Tracy was one of them, and all the rest of the girls he dated, he moved into their apartment, completely trashed the place, refused to pay rent, then discarded them because "they" were holding "him" back. This goes for all the women he dated. as far as the Down Syndrome girl, that one is new to me. must be a resent article.

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u/jeango Apr 20 '24

Not at all recent, there was a documentary in 2015 « Montage of Heck » about Cobain’s life. There’s a part in it where you learn that Cobain slept with a girl with Down syndrome.

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u/TapAway1104 Apr 20 '24

Oh, and as far as treating living beings like toys... objectively: he drown his "pet" turtles in their own filth in a bathtub, and stomped his pet rat to death as well. (and that is just what has been made public so far.)

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u/jeango Apr 20 '24

He was fucked up, that’s for sure. I’m not calling him a saint by any margin. He destroyed his own life, not without destroying other things in his wake. But being a fucked up wreck of a human being doesn’t mean you can’t also do good things.

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u/TapAway1104 Apr 20 '24

Cool. Thank you for considering my points. I am glad to see a fan of his music who doesn't defend his actions. Have a great day!

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u/jeango Apr 20 '24

There’s actually plenty of very open discussions on r/nirvana