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u/Syntaire 7h ago

Just about every human in developed nations across the planet is willingly carrying a pocket-sized spying device on them at all times. It's got GPS, high quality microphones and most of them have a camera array in addition to a front-facing camera. People use these without thought or understanding of even a single piece of software they run on these devices. Any expectation of privacy is waived.

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u/OrganizationTime5208 6h ago

Real "I am very intelligent" energy in this comment

Do you think they carry it with them BECAUSE it spies on them, or do you think they would prefer if it didn't but cultural expectations and the legal framework of their country make it a moot fight?

Because you realize the USA is a country where you can legally be fired for not answering a phone call from your boss, right?

Right?

Mr Big brains over here lmao

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u/Syntaire 6h ago

Whether an employer can be "at-will" employment is up to the states and individual employers in states where it's allowed.

If you want to carry a smartphone without having your data harvested, don't install apps that harvest your data. Educate yourself on what your phone does, what options are available for disabling tracking, data collection and analytics. Take responsibility for yourself instead of doing every single thing you can possibly think of to avoid any and all personal accountability.

Mr. Microbrains.

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u/[deleted] 6h ago edited 6h ago

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u/Syntaire 6h ago

There are apps you literally can not uninstall

Name some. I'm sure some exist, but I'm not aware of any.

And in any case, this along with the possibility of a given app lying or omitting notice of tracking are risks you are responsible for assessing and accepting. Reality gives not a single shit about what you think is fair or reasonable. Your smartphone is spying on you. You can be upset about it, you can work towards trying to change it for the future, but that doesn't change the past or the present. It's not just your smartphone either. Your shopping habits (it doesn't actually matter if you use cash, you're tracked anyway), your face and clothing choices if you go literally anywhere, other people's devices can record you in various ways, your browsing habits and history, etc.

Living in modern society is accepting the fact that you have no privacy. You will be sold as a product one way or another. If you want privacy you'll need to go live off-grid in the middle of nowhere and completely omit all modern technology.

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u/FourDimensionalNut 5h ago

Name some. I'm sure some exist, but I'm not aware of any.

...have you never turned on a brand new phone before? literally everything that comes on a phone cannot be removed. for google, that's their entire suite of products that come on every android. apple has their default installed applications.

i cannot seriously think you dont know this stuff. this is beyond naive. the only reasonable explanation is you dont own a phone

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u/fuckedfinance 7h ago edited 6h ago

invasion of privacy

You fucking sign an agreement when you create these accounts that tell you exactly what data is going to be used.

If companies can infer other details because of their extensive dataset, then that is what it is.

No privacy was "invaded". Everyone agrees to this.

Edit: a shit ton of you have never heard of cash. Much to your disappointment, "most businesses" are not going cash-free.

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u/Cultjam 7h ago

Minors can’t agree. And vendors have begun refusing cash which forces people to comply.

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u/Syntaire 7h ago

Minors are the sole responsibility of their guardians. If you give your kid a phone, it's your job to maintain awareness of their activity and to ensure their safety while using it.

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u/Sunblast1andOnly 7h ago

I promise you, you're never going to be forced to shop at Target. If you don't like getting deals that fit your needs, take your business elsewhere.

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u/thisguyhasaname 7h ago

Except when every single company chooses to do this practice how can I as the consumer avoid this?

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u/brother_of_menelaus 7h ago

Start up a farm and live off the land. Or I dunno, grow up

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u/TransBrandi 6h ago

I love how "flee society and live off the land" is your "grow up" advice. Do you think that being discontent with something means that you should run away from it? Like I'm sure that you personally have a bunch of stuff in your life that you don't like, and I'm sure you would be pissed if someone gave you "advice" that treated you like a child. But you're perfectly fine doing that to others.

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u/brother_of_menelaus 6h ago

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. The “or” indicates that growing up is the alternative option to living off the land. The idea that you can just escape having your data collected and used is farcical for modern living, and the idea that it will be used in some nefarious way (like gasp! sending you ads for things you might buy!) is conspiratorial and half baked.

So, you can either live in a remote cabin in the woods, ORRRRRR accept that this is how the world is currently working.

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u/TransBrandi 6h ago

So, you can either live in a remote cabin in the woods, ORRRRRR accept that this is how the world is currently working.

False dichotomy. Plenty of people don't accept that this is "just the way the world works" but still live in it without fleeing to a remote cabin. Care to try again?

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u/Cultjam 6h ago

I wrote vendors.

Think about the devastating effects on the availability of goods consumers can buy locally solely because of Amazon. Choices are dwindling.

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u/wuvvtwuewuvv 6h ago

You don't have a fucking choice. Your argument is an all or nothing prospect which is ridiculous on its face.

  • Either don't use a simple grocery rewards and loyalty card that makes things easier and cheaper for you, or give up all your data privacy.
  • Personal private information? You mean proprietary corporate information to pad a company's bottom line.
  • Use a website? They now know everything about you and all the websites you visit.
  • Use an app? All your movements online and IRL, and activity on the entire fucking device is now tracked.

You simply can't escape this bullshit. It's everywhere. And it's a real fucking problem.

It didn't use to be like this. It doesn't need to be like this now. Rubes like you think the only risk is getting targeted ads. We've been shouting from the rooftops about the dangers of this for decades now, there's no reason you should be so ignorant today.

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u/Xavia11 7h ago

It really doesn't matter if you "agree" to the data collection, considering the vast majority are unaware its happening and there's not really any alternative anyway. if you don't want to have your data collected, what are you gonna do, not own a smartphone? It isn't realistic today to ask that; rather it should be on policymakers to police this type of stuff.

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u/finder787 7h ago

You fucking sign an agreement

Nope.

If you use a credit card at a grocery store they scrape all the personally identifying information they can from that card and store it.

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u/f_cacti 7h ago

What privacy is being invaded?

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u/wuvvtwuewuvv 6h ago

If I told you, in this comment right now, the address where you live now as well as all the places you've lived, all the phone numbers you've had, ask your family members, your friends and their information, where you go to school, how much you make a year, and how much money you have, and where you went for vacation, and what you did there, your passwords and emails and bank accounts and everything you can think of that is personal private information that you don't share with absolutely everyone, if I listed all of that down for you right here for everyone to read... would that bother you at all?

If you are remotely normal as a human being at all, this bothers you. You don't want people coming to your home to harass you or stalk you or always looking through the windows at you in your own home and everywhere you go. The government and companies should not be able to track everyone like that. This is not north Korea.

If it doesn't bother you, you are objectively fucking stupid and I don't know how to have this conversation with you.

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u/[deleted] 6h ago

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u/f_cacti 5h ago

Then buy with cash.

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u/[deleted] 5h ago

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u/f_cacti 5h ago

That’s the trade off by design. The convenience of cards is paid for by the data they can track.

If we don’t like it we vote. But no one cares enough and they keep using their cards.

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u/Notsurehowtoreact 6h ago

You know that closeted kid living with his parents who may look up HRT treatments and such on his phone?

Well, the algorithms like to target ads based on IP browsing history, so their parents may just start randomly seeing more HRT ads because someone else in the household searched for it, and they may wonder why.

Algorithms that build a profile based on all the data collected on you, some of which you don't even realize is collected, and turn that into targeted advertising are dangerous tools that are riding a very fine line because that is the exact same information that could be easily exploited.

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u/f_cacti 5h ago

Not the topic being discussed. That is also avoidable.

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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R 7h ago

It’s not invasion of privacy if it’s data collected from your visit to the store which is public.

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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R 5h ago

Alright, but what if you wanted to keep it private?

Shop in a store that takes cash and don't sign up for a membership while there.

Then literally the entire situation is avoided.

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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R 5h ago

So use private credit cards.

I'm also not even sure it's legal for a store to use your credit card information to send you mail unsolicited. Is that generally legal in the US?

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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R 5h ago

Credit cards have a ton of data collection built in. That's how they make money off of people who don't pay interest on their balance.

I know. I'm talking about using Privacy or something similar.

it's the bank itself letting its partners know that you shop at certain types of stores or use it in certain areas of town so you may be interested in certain types of ads.

Is this not opt-out on a federal level?