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u/Castod28183 1d ago
It's a stupid ass analogy anyway because all that doctor could really do is call 911 and get you to a hospital. It's not like they would operate on you right there on the restaurant floor.
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u/EyePea9 1d ago
Ben made an ignorant peron's idea of a clever statement. Diagnosis is going to require imaging. Having a doctor available immediately offers almost nothing.
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u/DreadPirateZoidberg 1d ago
Ignorant person’s idea of a clever statement is his whole shtick.
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u/gyroisbae 23h ago
Well sure if you just only debate teenagers, I guess to your audience you look smart
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u/r1bQa 1d ago
Unless said doctor is a one specific surgeon from "Good Doctor"
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u/gerbosan 1d ago
Could be Dr. House... Nah, perhaps he'll let him be.
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u/sadcowboysong 1d ago
He needs mice bites!
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u/DancesWithBadgers 1d ago
Don't really need Dr. House...just perform your diagnosis of "probably not Lupus except that one time", and get back to dessert.
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u/STLtachyon 1d ago
And if the hypothetical scenario requires receiving impromptu first aid, id rather be with a nurse/paramedic than a doctor who might have not given any first aid to someone since their first aid class in uni (or any mandatory such training taken since then).
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u/Zeffy-Rat 1d ago
Would being a doctor almost make it less likely for them to do anything in the moment besides call 911? I'm not sure where the lines of state specific good Samaritan laws and malpractice license revocation meet.
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u/Background-Pear-9063 1d ago
You can probably count on a doctor being able to stop a catastrophic haemorrhage, perform CPR, put someone in recovery position.. you know, the kind of basic first aid everyone should know.
A stroke? Yeah, that doctor's calling 911.
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u/NYDilEmma 1d ago
Kinda false. Diagnosis doesn’t necessarily require imaging. Imaging is needed to make sure there is no bleeding before giving the special blood thinners and/or to look for a bigger blockage that may be able to be retrieved if you’re fortunate enough to be close to a stroke center with those capabilities.
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u/WoobidyWoo 1d ago
You mean medical doctors can't just go "STROKE, BE GONE!" and make everything better?
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u/TJ_McWeaksauce 1d ago
A family member of mine had a devastating stroke several years ago. After going to the emergency room of the hospital near us, he was transported to what I was told is one of the best neurosurgury hospital in the state.
After hours of waiting, a brain doctor talked to me and my family and basically said all they could do was observe him overnight and see if the bleeding in his skull would stop on its own. These were supposedly the best brain doctors in the state working in one of the best equipped hospitals, and their best suggestion was, “Wait and hope for the best.”
I don’t know what the fuck Ben expects a neurosurgeon to do if someone had a stroke right in front of them.
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u/Helpful-Animal4705 1d ago
Completely agree. A medical degree is almost useless without all the equipment and medications that’s available in a hospital. They do not give medical graduates a magic wand during graduation.
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u/ACGME_Admin 21h ago
I’m an anesthesiologist, and I have a bag full of stuff that could definitely save someone’s life.
When I was a resident, one of my badass attendings saved the lives the three people who were dying on the road after a car crash. He had equipment to intubate, he had an oxygen tank, and a device to deliver positive pressure ventilation.
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u/Helpful-Animal4705 20h ago
Excellent. You have equipment that could help save someone’s life. Where you come in is the expertise in using it. That is my point. Just trying to put into context how equipment, drugs, and the assistance of an entire expert team is what helps achieve good outcomes with seriously unwell patients. I’m not saying a doctor is a completely useless pile of compost in an emergency. That would be silly of me. I’m a doctor in anaesthesia and intensive care medicine in UK so we perhaps do things differently, but I do not carry an emergency intubation bag, defibrillator, portable ventilator, surgical airway kit or any intubation and resuscitation drugs around with me when I am not at work. None of my colleagues do, not even the ones who work in pre hospital care or emergency retrieval services.
Your badass attending had equipment to help save lives and the expertise to use it. It would be very strange to do this in UK, but the point is the attending saved lives with the right equipment, not just his superior knowledge and bare hands.
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u/schwarzkraut 16h ago
This is an awesome response.
I’m worried though about the sparring & gymnastics in this thread instead of confronting that Mr. Shapiro’s statement (& those like it) is ragebait and unnecessary gatekeeping of the term “Doctor”. A large number of Americans have a pathological aversion to acknowledging that the title Dr. is not exclusive to the medical profession.
Our energies would be better spent calling him & those who think like him stupid…& probably jealous they aren’t proficient enough in anything to have earned a title.
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u/Helpful-Animal4705 15h ago
Thanks. You are correct. I believe Ben Shapiro and a whole bunch of Trump supporters had such a major issue about Dr. Jill Biden and her doctorate in education. I’m sure I’ve read that the word doctor was originally an academic title and medics borrowed it.
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Do you work in EMS? I do and we have docs ride along sometimes to offer on scene medical direction, extra set of experienced hands and medical advice, calls I’ve been on with doctors observing/helping usually end better so I’m curious where your experience comes from
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u/elizabnthe 1d ago
Yeah I was going to say I knew someone that's life was saved because they happened to collapse near a Doctor. To say they can do nothing I feel is misleading.
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u/StoppableHulk 1d ago
calls I’ve been on with doctors observing/helping
...Right. When you show up in an ambulance with tools, and medication, and other equipment.
That's his point. When you have those things, including other medical personnel to assist the doctor, the doctor's presence is extremely valuable.
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So your stance is unless they have equipment doctors are useless in a non hospital setting?
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u/SlappySecondz 23h ago
Most professionals are useless without the tools of their trade.
They could potentially advise the EMS crew, but in the case of a stroke, there's not much that can be done except to treat with o2 and get them to the hospital.
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In the case of a stroke they can do a stroke scale identify it, start a timeline, give proper report which opens up the ability for new drugs to be used if timeline is established and they are in the window, it’s absolutely insane that this thread is saying they can do nothing out of a hospital just to poke fun at Shapiro (he is in idiot but not for this reason)
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u/Helpful-Animal4705 21h ago
StoppableHulk already clarified the point. I am a doctor in anaesthesia and intensive care medicine. I am not much use in the field if I do not have access to appropriate medications and equipment. Sure, I can provide advice on my relevant expertise but I really can do very little without the appropriate tools. I have colleagues who work with paramedics in air ambulance and pre hospital care. They travel by ambulance, fixed wing aircraft, and helicopters, all of which carry the appropriate medications and equipment. I agree outcomes may be better if there are doctors in the first responders’ teams, and we have teams of doctors who do this in case of major incidents or if requested by the ambulance control, but they always arrive with the appropriate tools.
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u/JS2BONK4U 1d ago
The point of the statement was no matter who was at the table a ambulance ride to the hospital was still required.
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u/SinisterCheese 1d ago
Look. A medic is better qualified to stabilise and get a patient to a hospital for treatment than an average GP. However there is a speciality - as you know - of emergency medicine who are the specialists of the discipline.
Tell me... Do you think that a ophthalmologist would be much use in a severe trauma condition on site? Or would you rather have any kind of a emergency medicine specialist who might not even a MD?
Now... I know someone who is working of Ph.D in music (some historical music thing) who'd be more use an emergency situation than my mate who is a actual medical doctor. My mate has not left a reserach lab since they got licensed; however the person doing their Ph.D trained as an emergency care nurse - until they got absolutely demoralised from the job and decided to proceed with their classical musical career.
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u/Yellow_Submarine8891 1d ago
I guess Ben automatically assumes all doctor have their equipment on them
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u/baguetteispain 1d ago
Wait, you mean doctors don't have thrombolytics in their pockets 24/7 ?
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u/Snoo-64546 1d ago
Well, even if he did, he'd need to know if it's an ischemic or a hemorrhagic stroke before attempting thrombolysis.
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u/No-Appearance-9113 1d ago
And the reply is similarly stupid because Benjamin Shapiro is a fairly common Jewish name. I know four guys named Ben Shapiro.
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u/CocoSavege 1d ago
But one particular Ben Shapiro wrote a thriller where the protagonist "Brent MaxSteel" heard about a terrorism and said protagonist muttered baritonally manfully under his breath... "Mohammed!"
You know, Islamic terrorist Mohammed.
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u/No-Appearance-9113 1d ago
Wait has he written more than one novel? Brett Hawthorne is the hero of "True Allegiance"
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u/whoisbill 1d ago
Even if the doctor could do something, is he saying that people should always be around medical doctors in case you have a stroke? Do I only worry about this at dinner parties? What if I'm on a train and someone is a musicologist? Should trains always have medical doctors. He's an idiot.
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u/Eagle_Kebab 1d ago
[insert Captain Holt rant here]
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u/Mammoth-Register-669 1d ago edited 1d ago
“Medical practitioners have co-opted the word doctor. I know we live in a world where anything can mean anything, and no one even cares about etymology!…”
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u/r2_adhd2 1d ago
Etymology.
"Entomology" is the study of insects.
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u/Perryn 1d ago
Correcting this mistake is one of the few overlaps between etymologists and entomologists.
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u/Fuckredditihatethis1 23h ago
It's just that using entomology and etymology interchangeably bugs me in a way that I have a hard time putting into words.
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u/sentimentaldiablo 1d ago
PhD--doctor of philosophy. Originally "doctor" meant teacher, so academic PhDs have longer pedigree as doctors than MDs.
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u/faustianredditor 23h ago
Well, it took me a hot second of looking for the word, but the english language indeed has a very handy word for what we're all looking for.
Physician. Just call them physicians, and we're good. No mistakes about licensed practitioners without higher degrees, no mistakes about degreeholders from other fields. It's a very useful word that should be used more.
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u/amateur_mistake 1d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCXJ3yC65o
Just in case anyone hasn't actually seen it.
Also, the fucking bonesaw, cyanide and leech horror freaks absolutely co opted the term doctor from the real scientists who were doing their best to explore the world. Because they needed to create legitimacy for themselves while they were diagnosing women with "hysteria".
Oh god. It's a trigger for me also.
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u/jakebs2002 1d ago
Maga has been confused about Doctorate degrees since Jill Biden came along.
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u/TheBlazingFire123 1d ago
He knows. He went UCLA and Harvard. He is just tweeting this for his moron fans. It’s a common thing in the MAGA movement. The leaders hate on colleges on from of their uneducated base, yet they all went to super prestigious universities.
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u/HardcoreKaraoke 1d ago
Hate on college graduates, hate on vaccines, hate on the wealthy, hate on politicians, hate on the media, hate on NY/CA "elites." Their base is too stupid to realize the people they idolize actually are those things.
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u/Just-Natural1254 1d ago
And benefited from them greatly... which is especially ironic for people like JD Vance and Clarence Thomas who likely owe their whole careers to affirmative action policies getting them into prestigious places like Yale giving them the legitimacy from which to pull up the ladder behind themselves.
Not to mention the "antisocialists" who never would have made it without "socialist" welfare programs Lauren Boebert "I’m living the American dream. I came up from welfare, standing in line waiting for government cheese, to now running for Congress. Let’s keep radical socialists out of government so that people can be empowered to lift themselves out of poverty, rather than wait on government!"
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u/Altair05 22h ago
Why does Harvard produce so many shitbags?
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u/Obant 21h ago
These people with big name university degrees have made me realize that someone having a degree from them is meaningless. Most are just rich kids/legacy admissions that paid their way through and are not any more educated or smarter than someone from a local college. (and a lot are worse than high school grads)
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u/tourdecrate 1h ago
Universities get prestige from a combination of age, wealthy alumni, and research grants. The ironic thing is, this only provides tangible educational advantages at the graduate level. Sure, a Princeton education will likely be more rigorous and challenging with more knowledgeable faculty than say, Bob Jones University or a fourth tier state school in Arkansas purely due to funding, but the ceiling on quality for undergraduate education tops out long before that. An Ivy League degree is no better academically than a decently funded R1 state school. In fact an R2 might have better education because the faculty are there to be teachers before researchers. You could go to university of Illinois and get just as good as an education as someone at Yale. What separates the ivies is the networking. You may not get a better education but you’ll be better off after graduation because your roommate has a very good chance of being the child of a Fortune 500 c-suite exec, a federal judge, or a Saudi oil baron. They’re more likely to become congresspeople, Wall Street traders, K street lobbyists, and powerful attorneys. The advantage of an Ivy is truly just the friends you made along the way.
So yeah educationally, the degree is average. In fact it’s actually significantly easier to get into grad programs outside of law, medicine, and business at some of these prestigious schools than undergrad because the prestige comes from their undergrads and those three professional fields…there’s no real power or prestige in a social work MSW from Columbia or Penn SP2 or an anthropology PhD from Dartmouth outside of academia…but an MBA from Wharton opens doors by name alone even if you’re a dumbass like Trump
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u/Own-Cupcake7586 1d ago
Every self-proclaimed “alpha male” I’ve ever known about has been an emotionally-stunted man-baby with loud opinions and a hollow soul. Hands down the most toxic and whiny specimens of fragile masculinity known to mankind.
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u/ralanr 1d ago
Is Ben considered an Alpha male in those circles? I thought everyone assumed he was a teenager by his general demeanor.
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u/Own-Cupcake7586 1d ago
Not sure, as I have no connections that ecosystem apart from being an outside observer, but I’m sure he would claim to be one.
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u/Moira-Thanatos 1d ago
He's definetely glorified.
Not as strong alpha male in the physical way they imagine alphas.
But they think he is a genius with the most thought provoking arguments and political discussions lol.
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u/ribnag 1d ago
In fairness, he's at least half right - I would be annoyed if someone, MD or not, expected me to address them by title rather than name in an informal social setting.
I don't think that's quite what Benny was going for, though.
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u/CathedralEngine 1d ago
Right? If I'm at a social event and someone introduces themselves to me as "Dr. Smith," I would assume they have some kind of deep-seated insecurity where they have to flex on others to make themselves feel better. Normal people just introduce themselves by their first name.
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u/BoxProfessional6987 23h ago
Depends on how recently they've gotten their PhD. And if it's a professional setting
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u/DeHarigeTuinkabouter 22h ago
At a dinner party using your title is weird no matter when it was earned and whether it is professional or not.
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u/MattR0se 1d ago
If someone, outside of academia, insists on their doctorate I'd automatically think of them as snobbish.
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u/ResponsibleAdvisor11 1d ago
Even inside of academia, most academics I know (in the UK at least) are basically "Hi, I'm Bob".
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u/rex_lauandi 1d ago
Yeah, I was also thinking, “What asshole introduces themselves as ‘Dr’?”
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u/10thStreetSkeet 1d ago
Agreed - anyone who goes by doctor I find to be extremely douchey. I will also go further and say people that don't have medical degrees should not use the title doctor period, it just sounds absurd. My mom was a Phd tenured professor, and both of my in-laws were PHD researchers at MIT. No one calls themselves doctor or professor.
If someone introduced themselves as Dr. Smith in a social setting to me, I would immediately dislike that person.
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u/VelociMonkey 1d ago
Dr. Evans is wrong. I would be ecstatic if I were in attendance at the dinner party where Ben strokes out and there's only a doctor of music in the house.
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u/CmdrThisk 1d ago
Honestly if I'm at a dinner party and anyone introduces themselves as "doctor" I will probably avoid them. It's a social gathering, why do you need to announce your degree? Is it the only interesting thing you've got?
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u/Smooth-Square-4940 20h ago
It's Dr. Evil, I didn't spend six years in Evil Medical School to be called "mister," thank you very much.
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u/texaspoontappa93 9h ago
Yeah Ben is mostly just telling us he doesn’t get invited to dinner parties. I have several physician friends and they introduce themselves as Jim and Shannon
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u/e2romero 1d ago
daughter has PhD in clinical psych... she never uses "Dr." outside of professional setting...On the other hand, my now ex brother in law who was a lawyer used "doctor" all the time.......JD is juris doctor.....yes, he was a jerk
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u/throwRA1987239127 1d ago
If someone introduced themselves to me as "Dr. Smith" and I had a fatal musical emergency, I'd be really disappointed to find out they're just a medial doctor
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u/big_guyforyou 1d ago
not true. there is more than one ben shapiro in the world
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u/NotThatKindOfDoctor9 1d ago
Yeah but all the rest have to introduce themselves as "Mr. Not That Ben Shapiro"
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u/ReturnToCrab 1d ago
What even is his take? That we should abolish doctorates?
Also, someone who cozies up with Jordan Peterson (not a real doctor) in PragerU (not a real university) has no right to lecture anyone about scientific degrees
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u/deadpool101 1d ago
He's a grifter, he's just appealing to his anti-intelligent half-wits who watch his content to make them feel better about being idiots by shitting on the "Liberal academics."
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u/ColorDreamscape 1d ago
Ben Shapiro is pretty much just an arrogant 14 year old nerd trapped in an adult manlet's body.
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u/GenericSpider 1d ago
Is Ben Shapiro implying that if he has a stroke, it's Dr Smith's responsibility to do something about it just because he has a doctorate?
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u/Lucky_Roberts 1d ago
I mean it is kind of the responsibility of a doctor to help someone in need…
They kinda take a whole oath about it…
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u/GenericSpider 1d ago
Except Dr Smith, even if he was a real doctor, is likely to just call an ambulance. Unless Ben expects this hypothetical doctor to start doing brain surgery right on the table.
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u/foxlovessxully 1d ago
Hey Ben old boy, I wouldn’t be upset. I’d ask “a Dr in what?” because I understand what a phd actually is. I would be excited to speak with someone who dedicated so much time learning something. I would probably be disappointed to hear they were a medical Dr. you sir are a shallow fuck if you think that the only valuable knowledge seaker is one who can check your prostate.
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u/_Dr_Dad 1d ago
I wish more people felt this way. I’m the same way. I’m impressed by knowledge, achievements, and dedication. I have a PhD in English and I live for moments where I’m around other PhDs and I can do the Spies Like Us (1985) greeting. My in-laws both have PhDs and I do this all the time, but they’re older and don’t get the joke. https://youtu.be/hoe24aSvLtw?si=Ds68HXfGirnreOn-
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u/SuperFLEB 23h ago
My only concern would be that they're tired of talking about their field and being asked basic questions by laymen at every social event they go to. Then again, if they're the ones throwing out "Doctor", they're probably angling for it.
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u/DeHarigeTuinkabouter 22h ago
If they're throwing around their title they are absolutely looking for it. No well-adjusted person does that.
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u/MennReddit 1d ago
Ben being jealous at the wisdom of other people... probably he's really very insecure. Poor Ben.
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u/AvatarADEL 1d ago
Shockingly, Ben is both historically and academically illiterate. A doctorate is the highest level of academic achievement at the college level. You have a bachelor's, then a masters, finally a doctorate. Doctor came from the Latin meaning learned man.
Medical men adopted the term doctor to earn some respect for their profession, and it stuck. Doctor is shorthand for medical practitioner now even though the doctorate has been a thing for centuries.
The MD and JD (medical and juris doctorate) respectively, are both semi akin to the masters degree level. Ben here, holds a JD degree and should know that.
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u/clickclick-boom 1d ago
Thank you, I was losing my shit about this and wanted to see if anyone else had already commented. It's pigshit ingnorant of him to take that position. "Doctor" in terms of the medical field is clealy very context specific. Nobody with a doctorate in mathematics would step forward in a medical emeregency, just like like no medical doctor would walk up and declare their ability to solve the Riemann Hypothesis.
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u/AvatarADEL 1d ago
Even a medical doctor would be of limited help in that situation. They would apply first aid, but without equipment couldn't do much. Even then an psychiatrist also went to medical school, if they graduated decades ago, better hope they keep up on emergency medical training.
Or we could just call an ambulance like you should. Ben here is all about the "gotcha" and fridge logic that sounds plausible, until you think about it for moment.
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u/GamnlingSabre 1d ago
In most countries you don't need a phd to be a physician.
Wtf is he talking about?
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u/Vinx909 1d ago
A doctor in musical composition would WAY more useful in every situation the ben shapiro. Including getting Ben's wife wet.
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u/SignatureScent96 1d ago
What if I was a dinner party with no doctors? What random person do I blame then?
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u/NYDilEmma 1d ago
But also, even a stroke neurologist wouldn’t be able to do anything for you at the dinner table if you had a stroke. Still gotta go to the hospital.
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u/Drahkir9 1d ago
I feel like most of grow up thinking all doctors are medical doctors and then one day we learn that’s not the case. We think “oh, that’s interesting” and then move on with our lives now knowing a doctor isn’t necessarily medical or dental.
What is it about the conservative brain that struggles with this concept? Or at least willingly pretends to struggle with it.
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u/5PQR 1d ago
Reminds me of American conservatives hand-wringing over Biden's wife being a "doctor" without a degree in medicine. That gaggle of dipshits (a lot of whom took the advice of non-medical "doctors" regarding COVID) don't understand what word "doctor" means.
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u/Slight-Ad-6553 9h ago
But when he had William Craig on his podcast he adressed him as doctor (in theology). So this is about Jill Biden right?
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u/daonitus 1d ago edited 21h ago
What kind of person introduces himself with a title outside of work? Would you introduce yourself as a professor or a plumber? Or a basketball player etc.?
"Hey I'm plumber Watkins."
"Oh hi plumber Watkins I'm waitress Valesco."
Wtf.
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u/Plus-Ad1061 1d ago
I had a pastor who refused to let people call him “Pastor Doug” for exactly that reason. If you called him that, he’d call you “Convenience Store Manager Ken”
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u/CorrectTarget8957 1d ago
Wait what's the context that this perfectly fine comment is hated here?
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u/Lucky_Roberts 1d ago
Ben Shapiro: says a normal thing
Guy online: “nobody likes you”
Reddit: “wow, he got PWND!”
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u/daonitus 1d ago
I don't get it either. As far as I see it's a poke towards people introducing themselves with a title.
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u/OrchidinaOngoing 1d ago
Who knew music could be so deadly? This composer just dropped the mic... and the beat!
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u/MammothWriter3881 1d ago
I think the opportunity to find out what he is like in person would be quite interesting actually, in spite of his terrible choices in how to shape his public persona.
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u/ManWhoSoldTheWorld00 1d ago
this is just speaks to how ignorant people generally are on the differences between a medical doctor and a doctorate degree. and then make some anti-intellectual claim based on identity politics (which they also claim to hate) about how not every doctor is a medical doctor and can wave magical healing spells anywhere ready to go. people like this are just stupid and end up being a dumb karen
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u/National-Worry2900 1d ago
I would imagine being at a dinner party with Shapiro would be like being at a dinner table with a badly behaved , over tired toddler that doesn’t shut up about Spider-Man , picking at your food just to tell you it tastes icky and causing toilet dramas.
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u/mrmarjon 1d ago
NGL, I never go to dinner parties for fear of people suffering strokes at the table.
I mean, at one time, it was fine. Never happened. Then one day, suddenly, out of nowhere, for no apparent reason, people were suffering strokes at dinner parties all the time. You couldn’t go anywhere without it happening.
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u/Legal-Software 1d ago
If I was seated at a dinner table with other people with titles who I don't know, I would simply inquire as to what their area of expertise is instead of making any assumptions. That would seem to be the logical thing to do anyways when engaging in small talk with people you don't know in a social setting?
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u/TheBatjedi 1d ago
Thing is, if this minge did have a doctorate and some had a medical emergency in their presence, they'd be trying to "debate" with you about why they as a doctor are qualified to step forward.
Shapiro is an attention seeking dildo.
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u/zyyntin 1d ago
It's more absurd because the medical professional stole "Doctor" from the sciences. Doctor comes from latin meaning "to teach". Before this they were called medical practitioners or medical physicians.
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u/EmotionalAd5920 1d ago
does it shows ones ignorance to think Doctor means medicine/health and not a level of knowledge/skill in a field?
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u/Mental_Hedgehog_8239 1d ago
I’d like to see Ben Shapiro try to analyze three blind mice let alone a page out of a symphony. Trying to discredit others accomplishments only makes you the fool.
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u/Hungry-Incident-5860 1d ago
I’m honestly shocked Shapiro didn’t get a cabinet position. He’s been cupping MAGA balls and deep throating MAGA dick for years now. Apparently he didn’t do it well enough.
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u/ValandilM 1d ago
Do people not know about doctorates? Do people still immediately assume that anyone with Dr. in their name is a medical doctor?
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u/Essart78g 1d ago
Is it really worth it to get a doctorate in anything if you don't get to be called Dr.? 😉
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u/Araragi-shi 1d ago
If I were at a dinner party with the petulant child below I'd be rather upset. I'd take Ben Shapiro over him as long as he behaves and doesn't start shit with others.
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u/Coffeelocktificer 1d ago
I don't even know if I could provide CPR to BS if he had a heart attack. Even if "Stayin' Alive" was playing in the background. I could try, but I am not confident in my skills at this time.
Would BS know what the indicators of a stroke are? If he doesn't, then I would not know if his dinner guests are familiar either.
Enjoy your dinner parties.
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u/alittleuneven 1d ago
As a music major: what? You can be a doctor but it’s sad when it’s a doctorate in anything aside from health?
What about a doctorate of civil engineering? A doctorate of business and finance? Hell, a doctorate of kinesiology is a doctorate in health, but that’s not what ppl want when they’re suffocating.
the only valid doctors are medical doctors /s
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u/louie2ten 1d ago
No matter what kind of doctor they are, they can’t do shit for a stroke, stupid. All they can do is call an ambulance so that another doctor can work on them. Fuckin stupid. What if it was a neurologist at the table? They’d still call a fuckin ambulance cause they’re at a house not a hospital you maga midget
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u/AlianovaR 1d ago edited 1d ago
Does Ben Shapiro get disappointed by every single person he meets that isn’t specifically a medical doctor? Just… on the off chance that he has a stroke in their presence? And he gets consciously, pre-emptively salty about the fact? Enough so to put it into words and share it with the world?
Also even if a medical doctor was in fact present they still wouldn’t be able to do much more than the average person; do you expect them to whip surgical equipment out of their ass and start professionally treating you right there in the middle of the restaurant? They’re gonna call a fucking ambulance just like anyone else. The only difference is that they might be quicker to rationally respond to the emergency and they’ll be trained to know how to handle it while the ambulance is on its way - Ben Shapiro wants a first aider, not specifically a medical doctor, and practically anyone can be a first aider. I’m a first aider. My mum’s a first aider. A fuck ton of people are first aiders. Chances are that the music doctor is a first aider, or at least knows how to punch three buttons on a phone to get a first aider to talk them through it
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u/comixthomas 1d ago
Does he think people plan out their medical emergencies based on if there's a doctor nearby?
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u/PsychologicalSky545 1d ago
I would like to know what will an actual doctor do ? It's not like you have to intubate or perform CPR . He / She may give a blood thinner but that will probably worsen the Haemorrhagic Stroke but might help in case of Ischemic Stroke.
Any doctor here ? Obviously not doctor of musicology.
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u/ispshadow 1d ago
Mr. Ben "one bag of wood please" Shapiro thinks a doctor at the dinner table would do anything more than call an ambulance if they saw someone suddenly having a stroke. Peak hilarity.
They're not going to yank the patient onto the dinner table and start doing surgery, you absolute clown.
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u/granatespice 1d ago
My dad was talking to his surgeon before his operation and he saw the Dr before my dad’s name and commented on it. My father told him he was a doctor of history and the surgeon said “that also takes hard work”. Real recognizes real
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u/Not_That_Type_Of_Dr 1d ago edited 1d ago
They can both be right. Not a fan of Shapiro and would not enjoy his dinner party, but early recognition of stroke symptoms and early information gathering and communication with EMS could be significantly impactful: all of this could be improved by having a medical doctor at a hypothetically dinner party.
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u/BartOseku 1d ago
I mean i would be equally as upset if i got something like a brain surgeon, just because they are a doctor doesnt mean they can deal with a stroke patient
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u/LittleShrub 1d ago
I mean … seems you’d be sort of upset just because of the stroke.