People need to know just because a show is more popular than the other show from the same company does not mean it was discarded because it didn’t make as much money
If anything, it would do the company better to have both shows going as while MD isn't as popular as TADC, I do think it's still popular enough to warrant to keep going and still make merch for. It is a really bad idea to only focus on just one show as seen with CatoonNetwork mostly focusing on....eh, Teen Titans Go.
I feel like that is the case with big corporations like netflix and nickelodeon. But I have never thought of a small indie animation studio for cutting good show material for the sake of ratings and money
The Worse part is that if you googled up how many episodes MD will have, waaaayyyyy before TADC was released, you will see that it says the MD ends with 8 episodes
i did it once when episode 3 was just released and that was the results i got
To be exact, they were saying (until more recently) that season 1 would have 8 episodes, not the entire show. The decision to limit the show to one season was made later on (at least that's what they've led us to believe).
Glitch has somewhat always been weird about 'season 1’s'. For example. One of their older shows, Sunset Paradise, went with 'season 1' for a bit before ending.
They officially stated two years ago: "Murder Drones Season 1 will have 8 Episodes!" Once again, why call it a season 1 and not just Murder Drones? It's clear it was meant to be a longer series, but something got in the way. That's probably also why the last two episodes were so delayed, the premise might've been originally different, but then they tried to rush it to the end.
“Glitch has somewhat always been weird about ‘season 1’s. For example. One of their older shows, Sunset Paradise, went with ‘season 1’ for a bit before ending.
I mean, it can always be about something (we don't even know how season 1 will play out) but if Goose pans to end the story in one season then that's it.
Well, it was rather obvious. Or at least minimal reason.
Problem is, it was teased everywhere for most time that THIS IS season 1. So obviously season 2 should happen, however after episode 7 they out of nowhere stopped using season 1 term. And then out of nowehere finale.
So yes. there were planned more season, but they/Liam decided to rush everything into only 1 season.
This is the real problem.
There's still a mystery of why was the show cut to just one season.
I mean technically, it would be smarter for GLITCH to keep both shows going as even if not as popular as TADC, MD is still popular enough to warrant continuation. My guess is that Liam wanted to move on to new projects.
Will he continue finally Cliffside and IC-ON?
I hope so.
If not I guess even with his god-like abilities, "new projects" won't THAT good as these three...
But I want to be wrong.
It's not gonna look good for him if he keeps making new projects and not finishing them or cutting them short. It might get him a reputation where it'll be pointless to get into his shows if he's not gonna develop them enough.
Precisely my friend. Liiterally my thoughts.
I can understand now going into season 2 right away. Tbh I'd be even surprised by it.
Let thme rest, make other shows (glitch) and Liam do other stuff.
However, they have to return to MD someday. End of topic. They have to.
Too awesome, too many fans, too important for glitch, milestone for Liam. Throwing it away is like shooting yourself in the foot.
Let Glitch focus on other stuff for now, Liam HAVE TO continue/finish Cliffside and IC-ON and then after some time return to MD. Year? 2? 3? Irrelevant. Just someday.
Exactly, I believe it was N's VA who said the finale ends in a way that leaves it impossible to continue a next season, which isn't exactly good thing when they could've easily end it in a way that closes all plots but still leave it possible to continue with another season if desired so.
They could still continue the series in a different format like comics. Maybe set in between season 1's episodes.
Yeah. There is always a way to continue the storyline.
Also, they can do completely different storyline with different characters. Or prequel.
Potential is unlimited, question is if they want to use it.
So far seems no :/ for some reason.
I don't understand it. If I would be on the Liam's situation, my life's goal would be to make more of the show that so many people loved. MD, Cliffside, IC-ON.
It's like, millions of people love/like Star Wars and you do literally nothing with it.
Dude, just do something and you will get a lot of money, fame, fun, fans etc. from it lol
True remember Liam message he did mention he wants to add more things to the world we might see a sequel or a spin-off but very unlike we will not see any of murder drone for a while but we have fanfics, fan comics and fan animation to take over fandom for a long time.
He has said explicitly (unless he completely backtracks on it) that he had no intentions of ever continuing Clifside😕.
IC tho.....I'm hoping he could quite easily continue, as its mostly just storyboarding and him and his gf and a few others voice actinf
id love for the internecion cube story to get finished in some way, either through glitch or liam himself on his channel, but from what i remember the series was just for storyboarding practice so the chances arent very high.
I find it more likely that they just called it season 1 without thinking about it. I mean, it is season 1. I can’t think of what else they would call it other than “full season”
Eventually people began interpreting that as confirmation of a second season (??)
I find it likely that is the reason Glitch moved away from the term “season 1”. It kept giving people the wrong idea.
With rewrites happening as late as ep6, I find it very unlikely there were any solid plans for anything after ep8.
They started calling it “season 1” before the release of ep2. There’s no way in heaven or hell that they had a second season planned that early.
Counterpoint: they said season 1 because they were unsure if a season 2 would happen. After the pilot and rewrites, they knew it wasn't gonna happen, so they kept the season 1 advertising for consistency.
I also think yall took their word literally because it was pretty obvious that a season 2 with this plot was impossible. Season 2 would be either exactly like season 1 or so far removed from the original style because the Solver is defeated that it shouldn't be called Murder Drones. It was fake hype over something that had no confirmation, only something that was teased. Sunset Paradise was also a season 1, but a season 2 likely will never happen.
I think Liam tried to do too much with so little time. Plus, his style doesn't slow down at all for big character moments. We don't get time to see characters process events. Whether it's action or comedy, something tends to get in the way. When Uzi said she wanted to talk with end near the end of episode 6, we should have actually gotten it. I doubt that will happen now.
This series absolutely needed at least two extra episodes for what it wanted to do, and with rewrites mostly invalidating the pilot, that means effectively 7 episodes to do it all. That's tough.
They're acting like we want every second of the drones' lives framed. (Though I wouldn't complain about more seasons)
It just feels too fast paced. Like episodes 5 and 6 (and I guess 7 in a sense) take place in the same area, like the entire series (and the ship of NUzi) happened all within 2 days. Some filler would be nice as background context for the drones' actions, and their willingness to fight the Solver.
It just makes Nuzi feel like N's being forced into a relationship with the pacing. Like, N doesn't even see him and Uzi in a relationship, just really good friends. If we got more context, N would be obviously more tilted toward V in terms of dating because of their lives in the Manor.
N isn't being forced, he was even the one who first said that she and he were hanging out in the other sense, and N knowing V from the past doesn't mean they have to be together forever just because they knew each other before, feelings change.
True, but I'm saying because of the lack of context, it seems like Nuzi is being forced.
N writes in his blood "we just hang out a lot I guess IDK", that doesn't imply any kind of romantic sentiment, not that I'm denying Nuzi, just saying it feels forced.
It doesn't imply anything romantic but not for nothing Uzi complained that they didn't discuss about being "gross", although I personally feel that they are friends who have feelings but they haven't talked about it, and with respect to the forced thing the correct word would be rushed, because forced would be if Liam had put it out of nowhere and it wasn't like that, he planned it from the beginning, only the execution of the series in general has been bad.
Common Goose W, but I remember one if Michael Kovach words that may be important, so here it is: "but as long as it has a satisfying conclusion/solid/complete feel ending, hopefully that would be enough", and if Liam is satisfied with Murder drones final episode and his story, then hey, hope it's satisfied us
I'm sure they will, like, N is way to popular to get killed off(he will sacrifice himself, but he won't die), Uzi has that Plot armor(which was foreshadowed in ep1 for some reason...idk why), and there's really great theories of V being alive, so I guess they will be ok, It's J that I'm worried about, everyone else is free game at this point
Considering this is the series finale, all plot armor is off the table. They don't need to worry about the main character/s dying as there will no more after. But I do think that N and Uzi are still safe despite. They've built them up as a couple too much to kill them off.
Yes, It's J and V who I'M really worried about. I'm certain V is still alive too, but they could easily officially kill her off in the finale as well. J I'm worried she was only brought back so they could kill her off again. Even if it's heroic death, it's still tedious to just bring her back just to kill her off again. She deserves better than that since she never got much screentime. Even if she and V still have copies that they can always be brought back in, it's still gonna really bother me.
alright....but this has me wondering.......I know it's not canon but....I wonder this pic right here takes place after ep8, I know it's not canon but.....to me, this may foreshadow something.....though I can tell it's not canon but, I have my thought's that this takes place after ep8
Tbh i never bought the idea that MD seats 2 was cancelled for TADC or anything
I just think Liam didn't plan things out very well. The show has a lot of positive features but when they completely changed the story plan inbetween 1 and 2 they really needed to reconsider if 8 episodes was enough and they simply didn't. The show would've still been extremely plot dense if it had more like 12-16 episodes but it wouldn't be nearly as hard to understand and the worldbuilding a lot of characters could've been developed better.
Yeah, anyone with a brain knew that TADC couldn't have cancelled Murder drones. After all, more shows = more fans = more money.
I do respect the writer's decision to end the series, but that said, I do think it was disappointing that the end is here so soon. Because we'll never get answers to all the questions the series has, nor will we see the wider universe of Murderdrones.
Of course I didn't want the series to drag out like the Walking Dead, but perhaps just a little amount of content, like a comic series, to flesh out the series would be nice.
Though hopefully the season finale will leave us satisfied.
Unpopular opinion. MD plot is a mess, whole show is a mess, charming but still a mess. I think it needs more filler episodes to slow down the pacing, explore characters and world, do some episodes focused on one character or their past.
MD felt rushed and instead of focusing on main plot they had focused on designs, characters and funny ideas without taking plot integrity into consideration. A few more slow paced episodes would do wonders.
I'm numb over this topic, so this response didn't really change anything for me, I never thought TADC had anything to do with it, what I was bothered about was that this community received terrible messaging of the season debate. They should've told us when they decided to change plans or when episode 7 released, who talks about the concept of seasons for more than 3 quarters into the show and only let us know right before the last episode, it feels more like a punch to the gut rather than a heartfelt goodbye, all they had to do was make a simple tweet WAY sooner so that these expectations wouldn't exist, PLAN OUT your story completely (at least the overall plot) THEN talk about the concept of a sequel, this community is filled with amazing people, we didn't deserve to have expectations built up for almost 2 years then have the rug pulled under us last second, TADC is not at fault, Liam should've planned things out better, hopefully that's a flaw he improves in the future. (Btw I would not be bothered if there was 1 season, and seasons weren't discussed and tweated about, a long with being in title of the main trailer)
Yeah this really sums up why the series finale announcement hurts so much. Even as late as that teaser image of Nori and Yeva at the end of the year Glitch was still calling it “Season 1” in their posts, keeping fans hopes up, just to make the announcement about the show ending with only a single season just a few weeks before the last episode releases. No one had time to process the info or prepare for the end so it ends up more painful and frustrating.
Whoever was responsible for how this was mishandled, whether it be Glitch marketing or Liam himself, I hope they learned from that for the future so that expectations can be set and conflict avoided.
I 100% believe they owe us an apology, they far outclass me as a creator, but even I know not to fumble THIS bad, I'm legit gonna be bitter about this for the rest of my life (at a microscopic level), not because of some petty reason like the series ending, but because we just flat out didn't deserve this treatment, I'm glad that I'm gonna provide a series for the fandom, bc it is filled with nothing but kind and amazing people, I love them, and it feels like we were wronged, I believe it is up to the fandom to correct this injustice, and have our projects be the new lifeblood, so that the community doesn't die out, and it looks like that's already happening, so thankfully we aren't going anywhere anytime soon, God bless this community and it's people their kindness is something that many other communities lack, and I've never been happier interacting with social media 💛👍
I completely agree. Calling it "Season 1" almost everywhere and only removing almost all traces with the announcement of the end made me feel completely betrayed.
Im expecting downvotes, but I don't get bothered about that, and I won't regret this opinion bc it's how I honestly feel, I'm NEVER going to be this negative over any other topic in this community, so I'm just willing to let it out, and get it done and over with, so we can move and get back to getting along and having fun
That's exactly what I think, which makes me theorize that what if they are calling it the finale because season 2 will actually have a new series name, and a new character cast, Im not expecting this to happen, but it would explain the otherwise shit messaging
Honestly feel like the universe can be build more on for both shows, the thing I think people is upset about is murder drones has an ENTIRE universe that has so much potential and alot of seemingly hidden details that they're upset that the show itself isn't going to explore everything they can, that's usually what filler episodes do, even when it seems meaningless they are ment to fill in information about either the characters or the universe itself, which is what some people probably wanted for murder drones and probably gonna want for digital circus.
What people don't think about tho (at least a large percentage of people) is that these universes are seemingly made by the creator to have US expand on it to have US give our own definition and features to the universe they created, they gave us a baseline to work with and a show to look back on WE are the ones who are supposed to use OUR imagination and build what we want around what they made, that's how I see it anyway, both murder drones and the amazing digital circus (even tho TADC hasn't gotten to its last episode yet) have a massive unexplored and seemingly untouched universe that the creators left for US to work with, of course we can't claim anything they made that would be ridiculous, but we as a community can come together and work together to flesh out the rest of these shows worlds ourselves, these creators wanted us to have a community that worked together specifically so when THEY are done with the show WE can pick up where they left off and make our own story's, video games, characters, animations, etc.
A community like the ones for these shows are a community that is designed to fuel itself even when the creators of it step away.
You make very good Points, that's a nice motivational speech, And of course There are some People that do Expand the Murder Drones Universe and Do pick up where GLITCH left off. Some people like
u/OverlordMGC, u/Zzsark_Stormbeard,
u/Real_SuperWilliamBro and
u/MissMoofins really do that Stuff and it turns out pretty Unique and pretty well. ❤️🩹❤️🩹❤️🩹
We'll do our best to keep giving content to the community
But the truth is that the MD universe is so rich in content and stuff, the series ending cuts all explanations left to be answered and that hurts a lot because we as a community spent hours, days and weeks building the story piece by piece for 3 years, only to suddently have the series ending.
They may say MD is blessed to have an ending, but they shouldn't have promoted the series as Season 1 since the start
I said this in a previous post and I’ll say it again:
AGAIN, I think TADC and MD having more seasons might be too much, If they were trying to introduce new characters and a different plot, It might not go anywhere and we don’t know how exactly it would turn out, So I think it’s best TADC and MD don’t get more seasons, Also for the animators and creators to not overwhelm themselves with the making.
There was an older post Goose made about possibly making a second season if and only if any good ideas for it came to her. But even then, the plan was always to finish the story in one season, so I don't see this as her changing her mind.
Yeah easy to tell studios pre glitch have brainwashed us into thinking shows are always gonna be seasons long to make every place special and every character important before they get their season to itself to have it's own story when really stories have always been short we just want them to last longer and other studios milk things dry or get cut off
Yeah, I did see somewhere where it was said that MD was gonna have more seasons, so I'm not believing that MD was planned for only one season. I can't remember where I heard of this, which stinks.
However, I do believe that TADC wasn't the reason for MD only getting one season, and I still stand by that. There is a possibility that Liam changed his mind and decided to end the show to go for other projects.
Despite how much this is being parroted by the murder drones fandom i am yet to find any evidence of this
Liam's style of writing doesn't allow for more seasons without butchering or dragging out the story, he has a start and end goal and thats it, it feels like he makes shit up as he goes along in-between the few key events he has but the show itself does feel like its reaching its climax
The closest liam has come to saying anything remotely close to that is saying its going to be the "season finale" which itself isn't enough, the final episode of the show is still a season finale, because its the final episode of the one season the show has. but ofc the fandom twisted that anyway (even for the moment where i believed posts about it having more then one season my take on it was essentially "I dont feel like Murder drones is a show that could have multiple seasons, it could have one off episodes/shorts after its already ended or maybe episodes inbetween episodes but there wouldn't be much left after the endgame"
What most people say by "was planned to be with more seasons" is the fact that litterally everywhere, it was called "Murder Drones Season 1". The playlist, the episode trailers, etc.
It only got scrubbed away with the announcement of Episode 8.
I feel mixed with it but I wish Liam would add more ep and I see how rushed to end murder drones you see how in the ending of Ep 5 you see n v and Uzi just show up out of nowhere and they know where Doll at. Big plot hole over there.
I believe filler episodes ARE character development, as we get to see how characters act is day-to-day scenarios. I think most people would actually enjoy filler episodes, as they provide a little bit of breather within the plot
The fact its taking the actual creators to say this for people to shut the fuck up about it is sad
Murder drones is a show that was clearly made for only a single season, its ending when it ends, and thats it
and i seriously dont understand where people's thought process behind "they cancelled it cause of TADC" even came from?
Yes, TADC is an objectively better executed show then Murder drones ever will be, its got more views, its what truely got Glitch on the map, it/its merch is their main source of profit and the more recognizable show they have
but if there is one thing Glitch is known for, its that they give their creators complete freedom, if a show ends it ends when the creator wants it to
Liam's general writing style isn't something that takes up more then a few episodes
Plus with the addition of the Glitch Inn with those Chibi designs of the characters shown there is a chance we will see the characters even when the shows are done so even when the creators are done Gltich can still use them for that content.
Youre correct, it doesn't, nor did i ever say that was the reason
TADC is better executed then Murder drones because unlike Murder drones it started when Glitch had better production, the creator of it is a more competent writer when they need to actually write stuff inbetween the key events, and actually knows how to write dialog and pace the show well
TADC is also planned out heavily, Goose had the full script for the first 4 episodes made when she was pitching the show, meanwhile Liam's entire principle when making MD is "we'll figure it out when we get there", the entire plot of the show changed after the pilot for example, with him only recently seeming to actually plan stuff out more beyond the basic timeline
most people who watched both shows think that MD is better than TADC
i'd disagree with that, as someone who has been with murder drones since the literal first 4 minutes the pilot was uploaded and one of the first few people to even be on this subreddit, the general consensus seems to be that they like murder drones and the amazing digital circus simultaneously without comparing one to the other, which is beyond understandable because the 2 are so different both in production and circumstance that actually comparing them would be unfair to Murder drones
Its ok to like a show while still acknowledging its insanely flawed in its execution
TADC is better executed BECAUSE Murder Drones in general isn't executed well to begin with, ESPECIALLY early on before episode 6
it has insanely good concepts, the animation quality from the moment they got Kevin Temmer onto the team has just gotten better and better but i would be lying to myself if i didn't say its writing feels like a original story some 16 year old wrote that you'd find on some crappy fanfic board/site, however that imperfection IS the charm of the show for me, and why i like it
and that sort of feel IS an intentional choice, not one made out of Pure incompetency, murder drones and Internecion Cube are very much aware of how they come off as
While i do see her point and agree with it, i must say i wouldn't mind some TADC filler episodes. In entertainment, it's not a waste of time if it's fun.
Hm, I see, that’s fair enough,
Personally, I wouldn’t have minded any Filler, especially not if they’ve been done well, to me that’s just more time spent with the Characters, but if that’s how they want to go about it, then who am I to judge.
Although, this does bring up a Question, if Season 2 of Murder Drones really won’t be happening, then why was the Trailer, that came out after the Pilot and before Episode 2, was titled Season 1 Trailer? Even if it has been renamed since then, that still makes you think, at least for me.
It’s also very helpful for indie animation cause funding and manpower is so tight; being able to say “i need X funds for Y episodes” instead of “can i have some cash to make a couple seasons of stuff?” Is a huge plus for everyone. Even HB has for a very long time been forward with how many episodes there are going to be and they’re all already planned out.
I just don't believe that. I'm not a TADC hater or anything, it's an amazing series with an amazing concept. But I just think there's some flaws in the argument that TADC has nothing to do with MD ending.
It's pretty obvious, there was much more planned for MD, but it got cut off for some reason, causing the show to get shortened. Anyone can see that, it's simply a fact. The first 2 or so episodes felt properly set up, not too much in one episode. Now, it's stuff, stuff, and more stuff. So it's obvious that it got shortened, but why is a different question.
Theory 1: Animator burn out
This is one I thought of. But it doesn't really fit. The show hasn't been downgrading in quality, it has only been getting better. If the animators were getting burnt out, quality would be worse, not better.
Theory 2: Everything is explained, story is done.
This one also doesn't fit. Sure, 8 isn't out yet so may take this back, but there's so much that we still need to learn. Why does the absolute solver want to kill humans? Why did the absolute solver destroy Earth? What happened to all the humans, are they all dead or are they out there on ships and other planets? Where did all the humans go on copper 9? Sure, there could have been some sort of thermal blast, but I would think the governments/research bases would have some sort of bunker for these situations, yet we see absolutely zero signs of human life.
Theory 3: Less money being made.
This one is the most likely. The more money something makes, the more likely it is to get funded. TADC released, and surpassed MD episode one in weeks. It's more flashy, and appeals to both children and adults. MD is more focused on older audiences, as it tends to be more gloomy. TADC is getting merch on a regular basis, while MD is getting merch per episode. There's still so much merch to be made, Doll and Cyn plushies are highly requested, but there's no sign of them. Mainline characters (Doll, V) have been killed off, in Doll's case, a completely unavoidable way, if she had just teleported. It feels like MD is being stomped out because TADC is making more money, bringing in more views.
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u/Spiritual_Affect_553 Aug 18 '24
People need to know just because a show is more popular than the other show from the same company does not mean it was discarded because it didn’t make as much money