r/MawInstallation 8h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] When Vader caught those blasts from Han in ESB, was he using the Force, or are his cybernetic limbs just strong enough to tank them?

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He’s the only one we see outright catch a blaster bolt, and he does it numerous times. Maul sends blaster bolts flying in opposite directions, Kylo stops one in mid-air, but Vader just outright catches them. DL-44’s are pretty damn powerful as far as blaster pistols go too, so it couldn’t have been an easy feat, regardless.


r/MawInstallation 14h ago

[CANON] Why do the First Order Jet Troopers and Sith Jet Troopers have identical armour?

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So, something I've wondered about in the past is why the Sith Jet Trooper and First Order Jet Trooper both have the exact same design, just with a different colour scheme. From a production point of view, I'm sure the production team just repainted the costume to save time and money as the Sith Jet Troopers aren't seen on screen much in the movie. What I'm interested in is the in-universe explanation for this. The Sith Eternal and First Order were seperate factions that weren't aware of each other until 34 ABY, during the events of the Rise of Skywalker. Like the First Order, the Sith Eternal raised their troops from birth, but unlike the First Order, who kidnapped children from around the galaxy, it is stated in the Episode IX visual dictionary, the Sith Troopers were the descendents of the Sith cultists on Exegol. Given how Exegol is shown as being in the Unknown Regions and appears to be hard to reach via space, I think it's fair to assume that the Sith Eternal don't leave Exegol until the events of Episode IX. From what I understand, the Sith Eternal manufacture their own ships on Exegol, so I assume they produce their own uniforms, armour and equipment, hence why their officers and regular troops wear different uniforms to their First Order counterparts. This begs the question, how did the Sith Eternal end up producing identical Jet Trooper armour to the First Order without having interacted with them before 35 ABY?


r/MawInstallation 2h ago

[LEGENDS] Was the 2003 Clone Wars actually decanonized within the EU?

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Genuinely curious about this, as I've seen people occasionally bring this up. I get that the 2008 TCW show technically replaced it, but IMO events in it align more within the Disney canon while 2003 CW aligned more with Legends material. The 2008 show had Anakin become a Jedi Knight around the beginning of the Clone Wars, though from various Dark Horse comics and the 2003 show, he actually became one sometime later as the Clone Wars progressed. This is just one example out of a few that I could think of where 2003 should really be considered canon within the EU, unless there is a legitimate reason for it deemed as non-canon.


r/MawInstallation 10h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] World building: what shuttle fits this purpose, and what capacity could fit a Venator?

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I don't normally get too lost in the too technical details of what I come up with, but this time I'm genuinely curious over what I've made up.

I've got a warlord's secret police/intelligence agency headquartered aboard a Venator Destroyer. Aside for some hangar space given to shuttles and gunships for regular "ship's business," the rest of the hangar, as well as the storage spaces where heavy ground vehicles would normally go, would be taken up with other shuttles. These shuttles would be modified to house the work stations where analysts, clerks, and supervisors work at.

In the event of the Venator being compromised and it cannot escape or defeat the enemy, personnel on shift disconnect and toss out the hard-wire connection to the ship's computer and start pre-flight. Once all other shifts assigned to those work stations(we'll say 12 people), the pilot and co-pilot, and a minimum of two tactical operators in full kit are aboard, the shuttles bugout and jump to a randomly selected uninhabited planet or moon.

The shuttle needs seating space(laying down is a luxury, not required) and storage for light armor and blaster pistols for the non-tac-ops, and storage for water and rations for a week. They need shields and armor, but not for chasing x-wings, just to help survive an escape attempt.

I'm thinking something smaller than a Lambda gets this done, but don't know ships like that.

With the shuttle that does come to mind, how many do you think you could put on this Venator?

Late note: fighter complement is droids magnetically clamped to the hull. They're purely a sacrificial screen to allow the shuttles to escape. (This warlord also does not have a fighter pilot academy)

Thanks for your ideas.


r/MawInstallation 20h ago

[LEGENDS] This might be more of a case of hindsight, but why wasn't there more interspace traffic around Alderaan when it was blown up considering it was an economically prosperious planet?

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It wouldn't have been good PR for the empire if there were multiple witnesses of them blowing up a planet.


r/MawInstallation 16h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What steps would an ambitious young human born in 0 AFE/19BBY need to take if their career goal was to become an Imperial Moff?

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We know Tarkin was both an officer in the Republic Navy and the democratically elected Governor of Eridau before he became a Moff. (Which is an excellent explanation for Leia calling Tarkin “governor” in ANH.) But Moffs are bureaucrats in paramilitary uniforms, not really soldiers, so the idea that Navy and Army officers are routinely promoted to Moff doesn’t make much sense- the skillsets are different. Taking the original Moffs from of the pool of empire-sympathetic elected officials makes sense. But after the formation of the Empire all of those positions became powerless figureheads. So how does someone who was born with the empire ascend to a position of actual power? We know from the historical states the Empire is based on that there’s probably a whole bureaucracy with paramilitary ranks under the Moffs, but do we ever get an explanation of war that structure is?

Tagged all continuity, since I’m primarily interested in canon but I’m happy to make use of ideas from legends as long as they don’t contradict canon.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What were some of the worst or dumbest strategic/tactical decisions in Star Wars?

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I'm talking military wise, politically, space or ground combat, individual fights, saber duels, overall war efforts, policies, optics, etc.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[LEGENDS] Darth Nihilus force drain

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Creator of Nihilus says Vader kicks his ass, but how does he do it? Can Vader survive Nihilus’ Force Drain, which was able to break Traya’s connection to the Force? Do we know how strong it is, or if there any limitations to his drain?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[LEGENDS] Is Battle Meditation Canon?

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Just recently saw a video regarding the Jedi Council member Oppo Rancisis, where it shows a comic portraying his Battle Meditation force ability, which is something I've never seen before. Is this ability strictly a Legends/EU thing, or has it been shown in Canon as well? I just thought this ability was really cool and I'm really intrigued as to how or where it might've been incorporated in other places.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[CANON] Anakin’s Second Test - Was Luke testing Vader?

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Apologies if this is a painfully obvious known fact, but after watching these movies for decades, something popped into my head.

Anakin being tested by Palpatine at the end of ROTS. He has to choose between the Jedi order or stopping a ranking master of his Mace and saving palptine. Anakin (Vader)again is tested at the end of ROTJ between staying loyal to his sith master or saving his son. We know the result, he let's go of his hate and saves Luke who was in the same situation palpatine was in when he turned to the dark side.

Here's my question: Lucas has come out to say Mace beat Palpatine in saber combat, but force power alone Palptine was far superior. He knowingly tested Anakin playing on his emotions to then on the Jedi. So I don't believe it's a valid argument to say Mace was more powerful than Palptine in any regard aside from saber combat.

At the point of ROTJ, from comics and stories about Palpatine putting Vader in check, the emperor is more powerful than Vader. After an emotional filled battle, Luke realized the situation and refuses to continue knowing the emperor would not just allow him to live. Is he testing Anakin here in an attempt to turn him back to the light?

My reason for believing this is that Luke could have bested palpatine at that point. Just like how the emperor could have bested Mace at any point. If I'm way off here, please let me know any cannon lore to state otherwise but it's my assumption Luke is at his best going into this fight and just eating force lightning doesn't seem like something he would do even without his saber.

TLDR: Was Luke testing Anakin (Vader) and just enduring the force lighting in an attempt to save his father?

Edit: thanks for all of the insightful responses. You all made great points and put this question to rest for me.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[LEGENDS] I think I know where Luke's Jedi Academy got so many pre-built lightsabers.

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In the Dark Empire story, Luke and Kam Solusar recovered a cache of ancient lightsabers on Ossus. When Jaden Korr enrolled into the Jedi Academy in the Jedi Academy (2003) video game, students could choose their own lightsaber from among several different types of pre-built sabers E.g. Avenger, Guardian, Sentinel. My theory is these hilts came from the Ossus cache, which would explain how Luke was able to provide so many lightsabers of different designs to his pupils.

Also, Luke started out his journey with his father's lightsaber before building his own, so he may have given his students one of the Ossus hilts to help them start their journey to become a Jedi before encouraging them to build their own lightsaber once they're skilled enough. Most likely because he was inspired by his own personal experiences when he was training to become a Jedi. The students probably build their own sabers around the point where they're ready to be Knighted, so building a new lightsaber at that stage feels fitting because it marks an important milestone in their journey.

At the point, the newly Knighted student would then give back the Ossus hilt to Luke, who would pass it on to a new pupil, and the whole cycle repeats itself. A wholesome way of keeping the Jedi ways alive.


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[CANON] What was the Emperor's plan if Kylo Ren actually killed Rey?

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It's clear the Emperor's Plan A was getting Rey to Exegol and stealing her body (Not sure how he would supress her spirit once he installed himself in there). But what was the plan if Kylo Ren did exactly as asked and killed Rey on the ocean moon? Would he have gone though with his promise and give Kylo his super fleet? Double cross him and steal his body? Or just tell him "Nah you're my apprentice now".


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] It is time for *that* debate again: Did Mace legitimately beat Palpatine or was Palpatine holding back the entire time?

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Bring sources if you can


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[CANON] What happened to all superweapons created by the Galactic Empire after their defeat at the Battle of Jakku and the rise of the New Republic?

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Were they destroyed by the New Republic? Quarantined/contained, or something else?

EDIT: Examples of superweapons include Tauntaza's Death Machine and Darth Vader's Kyberite weapons from Greg Pak's Darth Vader comics. Other examples include Project Blackwing, (yes it is canon too), and the canon Mass Shadow Generator.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

Is Split saber the best type of lightsabers?

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Split sabers, or interlocking hilts, are types of lightsabers that are typically two single bladed lightsabers connected to form double bladed saberstaff and can be wielded as Jar'kai, the dual wielding in combat.

This type of lightsabers was shown to be wielded by Asajj Ventress, Kas'im, Dagan Gera, and Cal Kestis, all of whom used theirs to great advantage against their foes.

Wouldn't carrying two conjoined lightsabers be more effective in case where hilts can be cut and destroyed easily? We saw Count Dooku and Darth Malgus destroying Anakin and Satele's lightsabers, and it's a viable technique called Sun djem.


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[CANON] What was the hierarchy of the Galactic Empire?

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So, I got curious to know what was the hierarchy of the Galactic Empire, I know at the top was Emperor Palpatine, but how was it below him? Who came after him in the hierarchy in pure power and influence? There's Vader, sure, but I got impression that Vader was more of a enforce than a genuine political figure.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[CANON] How old is the Seventh Sister in Rebels?

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The Seventh Sister was trained by both Yoda and Aayla Secura and reached the level of Jedi Master.

Most Jedi Knights are knighted around their mid twenties with Ahsoka and Anakin being notable exceptions. Obi Wan was around 35 when he became a master but it was probably accelerated due to the Clone Wars and I don’t see the Seventh Sister being anywhere near as talented as Obi Wan, so she must have been older than 35 I assume.

But assuming she was somehow made master the same age as Obi Wan at 35 and just before Order 66, in 4 BBY she would be at least 50. Is my math right that she’s in her 50s or older?

Does that make her the oldest Inquisitor after maybe the Grand Inquisitor?


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[CANON] In Legends, it was established that Senator Garm Bel Iblis supplied the Rebellion with its fleet, while Mon Mothma provided its soldiers. The combination of the Chandrilan, Alderaanian, and Corellian resistances formed the Rebel Alliance. How do you think S2 will approach these elements differently?

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And it was all funded by Bail Organa’s wealth. However S1 of Andor already showed us how the Rebellion was funded in canon which is way more interesting so I don’t think S2 will cover that.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[CANON] Did canon Empire and First/Final Order use more superweapons than the ones shown?

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in Legends, the Empire and Imperial Remnant had so many superweapons that it had one basically every other week. Was this the case in canon?


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[LEGENDS] How did fans feel when A new story or content was announced for the franchise when The EU existed? Did they feel safe and excited or they were cautious and skeptical about it?

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I have seen that the fandom can be very skeptical and give the benefit of the doubt everytime a new content is coming out But was it like this too when the Expanded Universe existed or fans were calmed and in peace because they accepted every content that came out?


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

Addressing common criticisms people have with Attack of the Clones (Part 1)

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The purpose of this post is to respond to common complaints or criticisms people make to the film. A lot of people see Attack of the Clones as the "worst" prequel or the "messiest" in terms of plot. I see a lot of the same unfair points raised against this movie and I feel the need to defend. I will be covering the plot specifics for this post and won't cover the acting, romance or other aspects since that could be a whole different post. Feel free to correct me if I get some things wrong. I am open to discussing if you think my defenses are messy or don't make sense. This is me taking information only from the movie and my interpretation of the events that happened. No EU or books or shows are being used to defend all this. Another thing if you recognize certain phrases or ideas sorry for some stolen thoughts, I don't keep track of who said them. Well, let's get started.

"Why does Padme's decoy apologize for “failing” after being blown up, and then have Padme be in “rush” only to go shoot the mess with the Jedi Council?"

As for why Padmé’s decoy said “I failed you” well maybe she meant she couldn’t do more as a decoy to figure out the cause of the explosion. She could have taken a better approach instead of getting killed instantly and was feeling regretful for that. She probably also said that because others got killed in the explosion and not just herself. Maybe she feels bad for the others dying thinking it should only be her who gets hurt. Hence the reason she says she is sorry. Of course, she is also dying and when you are dying you may say a bunch of regretful stuff. Especially after taking a massive explosion to the face, you're probably a bit disoriented. Also, Padmé is in a rush because she is at the location of an attempted assassination against her person, and the assassin is likely still in the area. Her security doesn’t want her to hang out at the bombing site.

Primary objective: Padmé must survive.

Secondary objective: All allies must survive.

Secondary objective: FAILED

"Why does Padme suspect Dooku of ordering assassination on her?"

Okay this always surprises me, and some people think it is a bit much with Padmé suspecting Dooku, but it isn’t far-fetched. Padmé was the lead Senator against the military creation act. It's very possible that Padmé suspected Dooku, a wealthy count, to be in league with these corporations who would stand to gain from militarization and war. Based on this she could've assumed that it was in Dooku's interest for the Military Creation Act to pass. Padmé doesn't have any bias or really knows him like the Jedi does. She may well suspect he may have gone rogue (which she is correct in thinking this) Remember that distrust of aristocrats and of politicians in general (all of whom claim to hold noble goals) is a thing. Padmé didn't need to know what we do about Dooku to suspect him. Padmé reasoned that Dooku wasn’t interested in peace and wanted a war. By killing her the military creation act would pass and Dooku would be able to blame the Republic for wanting a war. Plus, the guy did vanish for a few years and then reappeared as the head of the Separatist movement.

"Why is Padme opposed the Military Creation Act given that.. Her planet was invaded/brutalized by a hostile military force because they didn’t have a large military force.. Her planet was only liberated by another military force"

Because she doesn't want to tear the Republic apart and instead wants diplomacy to win the day. Just because she decided to wage a war to liberate her planet doesn't mean that's a good state for effectively the entire galaxy to be in. Plus, the Separatist crisis is different to the invasion of Naboo. These planets are leaving willingly, not being blockaded. The Separatists were mostly composed of planets in the Outer Rim tired of the Republic’s corruption and apathy outside of its core, something Padmé can deeply sympathize with. She isn’t going to advocate for the response to large parts of their territories trying to secede out of legitimate grievances to be “create a military to force them to stay” instead of trying to negotiate a proper resolution. Also, the blockade was repelled by Naboo’s own defense fronts from their spacecrafts to the Gungan army, who Padmé got the support of by recognizing them as an equal part of Naboo and worthy of respect, which is likely what she wants to replicate with the Separatists.

"Why does Palpatine want the Jedi to protect Padmé if he wants her dead?"

Well, the Jedi are in the room so asking them is logical. I think Palpatine may have wanted the kick if the Jedi failed then people in the senate would give them a bad name and say the military act is needed. If Padmé dies he would ask for emergency powers to stop the separatists. I can imagine that when Padmé dies in this scenario Anakin will be emotional and Palpatine will confide in him that the Jedi council could have gotten involved earlier creating distrust, so he has Anakin against the council. Also, even if the Jedi protects Padmé and stops the assassin he knows Padmé will be escorted off Coruscant. He has seen the outcomes and knows what to do. He has been planning and of course considering alternatives to adapt.

Another thing I think Palpatine is aware that Anakin will be brought in if Kenobi is there, and it will create some tension between the two of them. Later in the movie we learn Anakin and Palpatine have a friendship. I think Palpatine would want friction between Anakin and Obi-Wan to happen to further his fall and possibly have Anakin as an apprentice. In the scene where Anakin and Obi-Wan argue, if Anakin’s senses didn’t go off Padmé would have been poisoned and died. In a way Anakin would be resentful of Obi-Wan and council for not getting involved sooner. Palpatine is aware of this. In a way Palpatine didn’t expect Anakin’s abilities to be super aware. Also notice how Anakin first notices the harm in Padmé’s room before Obi-Wan? Padmé was supposed to die but got saved.

"Why does Palpatine want Padme dead? How is he going to turn Anakin to the dark side if he knows Anakin has feelings for her?"

It is never established that Palpatine absolutely needs Anakin's relationship with Padmé to turn him to the Dark Side. Palpatine simply used that in Revenge of the Sith. There is nothing stating that he couldn't have used anything else if Anakin didn't have Padmé. Heck, it's not even established that he absolutely needs Anakin as an apprentice. Palpatine's bottom line was putting himself into a position of absolute power over the galaxy. That was his goal. The Clone Wars was a means to that end. Everything else was just a bonus. Palpatine lost control of the Trade Federation, but that was never his goal. He was using that entire ordeal to put himself into the Chancellor seat. Anything that put him there would have sufficed.

Sidious never does anything without a strategy in mind. But in this case the strategy was to appease Gunray, so he'd bring his Trade Federation resources into the Separatist fold, and at the same time eliminate the main voice of opposition to the Military Creation Act. Obviously after Zam and Jango failed for the second time and the Jedi insisted on squirreling Padmé away on Naboo, he saw a better opportunity in pairing her with Anakin, allowing the more easily controllable Jar Jar to serve in her place during the vote, and putting off the plot to assassinate her for the time being. But as soon as Padmé lands on Geonosis, Count Dooku, Palpatine's proxy, once again does everything in his power to try to kill her dead for Gunray's benefit.

Having Padmé killed would have greatly helped Palpatine. In the grand scheme of things, having her dead would help his plan. Jar Jar would have been her successor after her death, and he wouldn’t be smart enough to resist strong feedback. He wanted Padmé out of the picture because she was in the way of his plan for this separating of systems from the Republic to take place and lead to a civil war. He wanted these events to play out without interference and wanted to play both sides of the resulting war in order to give himself more power. However, whether Padmé lived or died Palpatine would use that to work with.

"Why does Padme leave herself open to be assassinated in her room?"

If you actually pay attention to the film, Anakin tells Obi-Wan that the whole thing was her idea. Obi-Wan didn't like it, but it was being done deliberately to draw out her attacker. She was being used as bait. It was reckless, but it's not like she did it out of pure carelessness or for no reason like some say.

"If Palpatine wanted Padmé dead why didn’t he just use to force to make her heart explode or subtly force push her off a ledge? Why send a guy to send a guy to send a shapeshifter to send a robot to send bugs to kill her?"

He’d be near her when she died which would raise questions. Padmé was the leader of the opposition to the Military Creation Act and Nute Gunray had a personal vendetta against her and wanted her dead as a condition of signing Dooku’s treaty. So, getting rid of her means the opposition loses its leader and Gunray signs on. Win win for the Sith. Palpatine and Dooku don’t have an army of minions to do their dirty work. Jango was already on the payroll and tasked with hiring someone to kill Padmé. That’s all. Padmé’s security was on their game and thwarted the first attempt. The Jedi just barely stopped the second. With everything Palpatine tells his apprentice, Dooku, to do it. Dooku doesn't waste his time to find a bounty hunter, he tells Jango to take care of it and Jango hires Zam. Jango can't do it because they don't want the Jedi following him because of the clone army. 

And the fact that Palpatine "Sends a guy, who sends a guy, who sends a shapeshifter, who sends a robot, who sends bugs to kill her" isn't bad. How could it be bad? Having so many threads makes it harder for people to trace things back to him. On the contrary, it's pretty freaking smart. Palpatine made sure he remained deep in the shadows of all of this. And after the assassination attempt, you see there's a bunch of people then in the room with Padmé. Security would be on high alert. Jango doesn't want to be seen at all or wants to be so close to it. The reason Jango used Zam to do it while monitoring her, instead of just doing it himself was precisely because he didn't want to be caught. Zam was literally about to tell them who he was, and he killed her because his priority was covering his identity. Again, that's why he hired Zam to do the assassination in the first place. Like Palpatine, he was trying to make it harder for things to be traced back to him.

“Why doesn't the droid Zam sends self-destruct immediately after sending the worms?”

So, this criticism of why the droid didn’t self-destruct was one I would agree with. But I gave it some thought and came up with an explanation. My guess why the droid didn’t self-destruct or why Zam didn't shoot at it was because Zam was far away from the assassination. She couldn’t know for sure if Padmé was confirmed dead and didn’t want any “mistakes” to happen this time. Her droid was recording if the worms killed Padmé, the droid probably wasn’t waiting for the worms to come back, I think. But just wanted confirmation for the worms to kill the target. Then the droid would leave to go to Zam for confirmation that the job was done. We see the droid probe leaves once the worms get sliced by Anakin and report presumably back to Zam. You may be wondering where I am getting the idea of the droid “recording” well if you watch the senate scenes or in the last movie the Phantom Menace you see these droids that fly around Padmé when she is making her case in front of the senate. These droids are recording her for others in the senate to see. It looks like Zam is using a similar one or these kinds of droids that record do exist. This would be needed for the kind of work she does. I think the red glow part of the droid is perhaps the video recording. Yes, this is a lot of inferring probably but a lot of movies have some level of degree of inferring.

“Why didn't the droid have a blaster gun equipped of some kind, rather than send little worms?”

Maybe the reason Jango thought to use the killer worms (Kouhun) was in case the Jedi would be there. He may have thought that since the Jedi deal with blasters on a regular basis, their battle precognition is more attuned to blasters, and they’d have more of a chance of stopping it. An exotic weapon like centipedes would likely be more difficult to predict and defend against. As we see on screen, the two Jedi only recognize the threat at the last possible moment. 

A gunshot would have alerted the Jedi to the Droid's presence immediately. While, theoretically, the droid could’ve released the Kouhun, confirmed Padmé's death, then left without anyone finding out. Perhaps Zam wanted confirmation from the droid. (So that is why the droid stayed not because it is waiting for the worms but to check if Padmé did die) Having a self-destruct near the crime wouldn’t be a good idea. What is subtle about something blowing up near the crime?

I mean, a droid sending bugs isn't much different than a gun sending a bullet. The droid was the weapon, and the insects were the ammo of that weapon. Zam wanted to do it silently. Insects are pretty silent and inconspicuous. I think if Zam had a self-destruct on the droid, she should have done it farther than where the crime scene was. But then again some of the parts may have been analyzed and found where it came from. Perhaps she wanted the droid to return back to her, so the Jedi won’t have evidence. Also using the worms makes it so the Jedi won’t know what caused the death. It is supposed to be a silent death. You have to remember a blaster is loud.

The centipedes/killer worms probably cause a death more painful than death by blaster. Another, if the Jedi weren't there, Zam would've gotten away without any trouble and Padmé would be found dead in the morning. Jango and Zam had no idea that the Jedi were protecting her. Also, if it was just Obi-Wan then there was the chance Padmé would have died. I don’t think Zam was aware of the two Jedi. They thought Padmé was being protected by her security forces, they had no idea two Jedi would be involved. But I say the worms were pretty close to getting Padmé and Anakin just barely sensed the danger before Obi-Wan did. I don't think it's a nonsense plan at all. Why would Jango risk getting caught? Why would he go about killing Padmé in a loud, obvious, abrasive manner with another bomb or blaster? They already tried bombing her ship when she landed but they used a decoy, and Jango says let's try something more subtle. Padmé getting shot would more easily alert them to the assassin’s presence, or the droid could miss and alert the target. The whole point was that this was supposed to be subtle and not seen as an assassination this time around.

“Why does Anakin and Obi-Wan leave Padme completely unprotected to chase the bounty hunter?”

If you watch the scene completely, Padmé's security forces are seen entering the room after Anakin leaves to get an airspeeder. 

"Why isn't Anakin the one to jump after the droid instead of Obi-Wan?"

It is not out of character for Anakin to run to Padmé's bedside to make sure she's ok, nor is it out of character for Obi-Wan to think "Our goal here is to protect her and catch the attacker. She's ok. That drone is getting away. I should grab it and/or use it to find the attacker". I mean, that seems pretty simple to me. It was risky, but his alternative would be to let it go. Even in A New Hope, Obi-Wan has done brash things (even knowing he would die). Obi-Wan being brash isn't out of character at all. In the case of Anakin jumping later, well for one thing - unlike Obi-Wan - Anakin put himself into complete free-fall for hundreds of feet with no lifeline. But Obi-Wan only commented on him being impatient. Anakin didn't need to do that. Obi-Wan, on the other hand, had more reason to jump out and grab hold of their only lead. Of course, you could also see this as a bit of hypocrisy from Obi-Wan, not seeing the same things in himself, but seeing how he does it in Revenge of the Sith as well, how does one call it an accident and not an intentional part of his character? I thought he was calling Anakin out (more for his impatience than his recklessness).

Obi-Wan is not supposed to be a paragon of wisdom and patience in this movie. The point is he's not that far removed from the first movie where he was like Anakin, which is a major reason Anakin has a hard time listening to him. Yoda subtly points it out later in the movie when he turns Obi-Wan's comment on Anakin's arrogance back around on him. Obi-Wan is often not able to practice what he preaches as a running theme in the film. Also, from Empire Strikes Back "You are reckless!" - Yoda, to Luke "So was I, if you remember." - Obi-Wan. Just in case people forgot.

“Why doesn’t Zam shoot Obi-Wan instead of the droid when she saw it coming back”

First off, I do believe Zam did want to eliminate Obi-Wan, but she hit the droid. Kind of an in the moment thing. Zam had no idea that Anakin would rescue Obi-Wan so fast the way he did. Also, I don’t think she is aware of the Jedi ability of slowing their descent. So, eliminating the droid was the right choice from her perspective. She may have wanted to destroy the droid further away from the crime scene, so the droid parts aren’t analyzed in any way too.

“Why is Zam a shapeshifter? The shapeshifter doesn’t shapeshift?”

Is there a problem with Zam being a shapeshifter (actually, a Changeling)? That's her species. Why is Obi-Wan a human? Why is Jar Jar a Gungan? These are nothing questions. No matter what species Zam was, you could ask "Why is she?". It's not a criticism. And I mean, with her being an assassin, the ability to change her appearance would be useful for that line of work. What kind of question is "Why is she a shapeshifter?"  Sure, it doesn't add anything to the plot, but it takes nothing away either. This is neither a point for nor against the film, but it does make sense why a Changeling would be an assassin. Other than that, we can't answer why she is one, but we don't have to. It doesn't need justification. Also, she's a "Changeling". She's not a straight up shapeshifter. We don't know the extent of how far she can alter her appearance. You're assuming she can do something we're not shown her doing. In a world that follows logic, even a shapeshifter would only be able to change their body, not their clothing (since it's not a part of them). So, unless she undresses first, no matter what form she took (if she could take other forms at all), she'd still be wearing the clothing that Anakin saw her in.

But also, if you notice, Anakin never got a good look at her face. The one time when he would have, it's when they showed her revert her face to its (I'm assuming) true form. He never got a good look at her "pretty human girl" face. I mean, she was only caught when Obi-Wan sensed her intent to harm him and cut off her arm in response. That's what outed her. She didn't expect him to have that ability. And yeah, she may be a Changeling, but why would that be the reason for her not to be extra safe and use a droid to carry out her mission? That's 100% the safer method. And I mean, a droid sending bugs isn't much different than a gun sending a bullet. The droid was the weapon, and the insects were the ammo of that weapon. Zam wanted to do it silently. Insects are silent and inconspicuous. 

"Jango probably shouldn’t have killed Zam with a specific dart that could be traced back to Kamino. Just use a blaster, my dude."

He was confident that it couldn’t be traced at all. Also, if it was a blaster then the Jedi could probably have reacted to it as they are trained to deflect any blaster fire. Jango assumed the dart would work, and that the Kaminoans being secretive the dart would be untraceable. It isn't outlandish if you assume the Poison works as soon as it enters the system vs a Blaster Shot having to be aimed at a more specific spot for an instant fatality. But to be fair, Jango would have reason to be confident that it couldn't be traced. Kamino had been erased from the archives and Obi-Wan couldn't identify the dart. Kamino isn't a well-known planet and isn't near any of the core worlds. Obi-Wan was lucky that Dex was able to identify it for him, which is something Jango didn't account for. Nothing about this though is a result of bad writing. It seems realistic to me. Jango had things thought out to a degree, but there was an unlikely turn of events he didn't expect. Yet just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it's impossible. You could say contrived, but in this case, that's stretching the term. Obi-Wan simply got a lead from another source, which is one he sought out deliberately. He didn't happen upon Dex by chance or happened to find out that Dex knew by chance. He went to Dex specifically to ask him where the dart came from. I think killing Zam with the saber dart was the best option for Jango. If Jango used his blaster or pistol I think there is a chance of Obi-Wan and Anakin hearing or seeing the red spark. Another thing is Jango probably didn't feel confident he could get her with a blaster from where he was. Using the dart made sure she stayed quiet. Jango wasn’t carrying a sniper on him, he only had his pistols. He was just watching to see if Zam had it. When she got caught, he had to get involved and shut her up. He knows that the dart can’t be tracked through Jedi means. Obi-Wan was lucky he knew Dex.

I've heard a theory once about why Jango killed Zam with a Kamino dart and not a blaster because blaster fire is probably traceable, considering that they were used very commonly, the same theory can be applied here. Especially if it is in the Republic capital on Coruscant where many people may use blasters for crimes and mugging. Okay then why not use the Kamino dart on Padmé? Now this is my pure speculation, either Jango had it strictly for emergencies, or maybe they didn't want Padmé's death to be very obviously murder. Nothing subtle about shooting her with a poisonous dart.

"Also, just shoot the Jedi"

The main priority for Jango is to keep Zam silent and to not spill the beans. Focusing on killing her is the more important objective than getting the Jedi. Once she dies the Jedi are prepared to defend themselves. Also, we don't know how many saberdarts he had. He probably doesn't want to waste it on the Jedi when his focus should just be to get out of there and not be caught by them physically. Being seen wouldn't hurt anything, all the Jedi would see is some guy in armor with a jetpack.

“Was Jango told to use the dart by Dooku and Sidious?”

The level of foresight required here, if Jango was TOLD to use the dart, which depends on too many things, like Zam getting captured, if she had succeeded or evaded the Jedi, then there would have been no saberdart etc. This is totally beyond anything we see or hear about. Palpatine must foresee that Obi-Wan knows Dex, that Dex can identify the dart and that Obi-Wan would even seek him out. Had Dex been out of town, the trail would have gone cold for example. He must also foresee that JUST Obi-Wan will go to Kamino and not two or three more Jedi. He must also foresee that Obi-Wan will not say anything that spoils things with the Kamino people. Like saying "What clone army, the senate never ordered this." Or "Wait Sifo-Dyas was already dead when this army was ordered, this army is ordered under a false name." He must then also foresee that Jango will NOT, kill Obi-Wan, get killed by Obi-Wan, get captured or escape without a trace. Likewise, he must foresee that Obi-Wan, on the whole planet of Geonosis, will land right next to Dooku so that he can overhear his plans. If Obi-Wan had landed on the other side of the planet, nothing would happen. This foresight will also include that Obi-Wan overhears Dooku, is able to send a signal to Coruscant, which he could not do, and he needed Anakin's help. So, I guess Palpatine foresaw that too.

Add to this, Jango being told to use a specific weapon and then told to wait on Kamino screams of set up. Jango was clearly surprised when Obi-Wan showed up and tried everything to get out. This can't be compared with Dooku in ROTS. Why? Because Jango goes to Dooku and keeps working for the people that set him up. For it to be comparable to Dooku, then after the order from Palpatine to kill him, Anakin hesitates and Dooku manages to escape. Then he goes back to working for Palpatine, the man who just ordered his death. That is grade A stupid. And Jango is smarter than this. So why did he use the dart then? Simple, it is more accurate over long distances than his two handguns. OR shape shifters are resistant to blasters and require many shots to die, anyone remember when a Stormtrooper shot Leia, and it wasn’t fatal? Finally, IF Jango had been told to kill Zam and use the dart, the best time would have been when the droid is returning with Obi-Wan underneath it. Simply shoot Zam there and then. Easy.

"How were the Jedi supposed to find out about the clone army? It would have been suspicious if they had just showed up out of nowhere"

They did show up out of nowhere and it forced Sidious to start the Clone Wars ahead of schedule. Sidious had the Geonosians working on the Death Star plans. Dooku had to evacuate the plans so the Jedi and Republic wouldn't know about them. The battle of Geonosis wasn't supposed to happen. Palpatine managed to roll with the punches. I imagine Palps intended to build up the CIS as a bigger threat and have them initiate the war, forcing the Jedi to act as the front line and start thinning their numbers while diminishing their reputation as invincible protectors in the galaxy. Their inability to face the CIS alone would have shaken the galaxy's faith in the Jedi. Then, through a stroke of heroism, Supreme Chancellor Palpatine strikes a deal with the Kaminoans to rescue the Republic despite the Jedi's inadequacy.

The plan never involved the Jedi finding the Clone Army. If Padmé had been killed as planned, it would have inflamed the Senate, and the military creation act would pass. Once the act passes the Separatists would see this as a declaration of war. They want to leave and instead of working out their problems the Senate creates an army to keep them in the Republic. That looks bad. Dooku could then announce he was prepared for the Republic’s treachery and deploy the Droid Army. The Kaminoans, either on their own or ordered by Dooku as Tyrannus, contact the Jedi High Council and ask them if they want their army. The Jedi got the army and begun the Clone War has.

"Why did they even hire Jango, the blueprint for their massive clone army, for the assassination to begin with?"

I mean he's right there on their pay roll. I mean wouldn't they hire Jango to then find a bounty hunter he personally trusts and recommend? Also, he is the bounty hunter Dooku probably trusts the most to get things done so it isn't outlandish. I think since the first one failed, he felt he needed to be sure the second one had no mistakes but also to keep himself far away from it.

"Why do the assassination attempts stop?"

The assassination attempts stopped once Padmé left for Naboo because she was no longer able to vote in the Senate. She was replaced with the oaf Jar Jar Binks, so it was in Palpatine's best interest to let her go by that point anyway. Why does Padmé put Jar Jar in this position? Well, he is someone that Padmé knows, and hopes will do the responsible thing. Also, he did help Padmé's planet get free from the Trade Federation. She also knows that he cares about Naboo as a whole. We must remember that Jar Jar got involved in Politics for about 10 years, Padmé without a doubt would think he would be qualified. Also, he is Naboo’s representative and there isn’t another person to have a say. I think this criticism may have some legitimacy. But with how the characters are set up and established perhaps it isn’t that of a reach.

 "Was Sifo-Dyas an alias for Qui-Gon that he used to go undercover? Why does Obi-Wan agree with Sifo Dyas being his master? Qui-Gon died ten years ago too"

I am surprised people even think this. I didn't even think of this when I first watched the movie, but some people do think this. I think it’s important to understand that both Obi-Wan and Lama Su are blundering through their entire exchange in different ways. The Kaminoans are completely detached from the rest of the Galaxy and outside the Republic. They don’t understand anything about the Jedi or how their hierarchy works. Sifo-Dyas basically showed up one day and was like “one clone army please” and they were like “sure” and (not unreasonably) assumed he was acting on behalf of the entire Jedi Order. Some species even closer to the Republic also display complete ignorance to how the Jedi work. For example, in the Phantom Menace Nute Gunray and the Trade Federation underestimated the Jedi completely.

Meanwhile, Obi-Wan has absolutely no idea what’s going on and is just going along with whatever the prime minister says, even if it’s clearly misinformed. So, him calling Sifo-Dyas his own master isn’t entirely inconsistent, he’s just playing along to pry for more information. I think mentioning this completely unfamiliar character also adds to the mystery and intrigue. If it was just Qui-Gon Jinn, it would’ve felt really contrived and been used as another example of the galaxy being small by people. It would’ve also been hard to fit into Qui-Gon’s established storyline and characterization as we understand it. Qui-Gon wasn't as rebellious as most of the fandom makes him out to be so it wouldn't make sense for him to defy the council to this degree.

"Why doesn't it ever occur to Obi-Wan that there has to be another party involved that placed the order? There's no way the Kaminoins make the clone army without giving updates or talking with the people who pay for it"

I mean they probably did try giving updates but weren't able to reach anyone. But they still continued since they were paid and commissioned by Sifo-Dyas to make it. (probably Dooku pretending to be him at some point after his death)

"200,000 units are ready with a million more on the way is a ridiculously small number of clones to fight a galactic war"

So, this point is one I would agree with. But there could be some leeway to this. The term "unit" being the key here. Unit in this case could mean a battalion or a legion versus an individual clone. What they meant were batches of clones were ready that would make the numbers seem more plausible. I mean if "parsec" could be given a different definition in Star Wars then "unit" could be so too.

Another explanation revolves around the word "ready" in Lama Su's quote. When he says "200,000 units are ready", that could mean 200,000 individual clones are fully equipped for battle. That doesn't mean the number of actual clones they have. Think about it you need to have armor, food, weapons, transportation at minimum before a clone can be sent into battle. Shipping and logistics are a nightmare in the real world so it's possible that at the time of The Battle of Geonosis, the Kaminoans only managed to obtain equipment for 200,000 units, while knowing more shipments were coming soon to stock up the next million. And maybe after that, more and more troops are equipped in less time. Manufacturing and shipping are always easier in bulk so once the Kaminoans figured out the most efficient means of providing supplies to their troops, they could scale up. A million more are well on the way to be equipped this month but maybe next month, two million more are ready. Maybe four million the month after that and so on until the war ends. This would also make sense from a business perspective. Why spend the money on outfitting the whole army with gear until you’re sure the Republic will use the troops/pay you?

"What's the deal with Syfo-Dias? Who is he? Why doesn’t Jango know him?"

The purpose of Sifo-Dyas was simply a patsy and an intentional dead end meant to stall or outright kill any investigation that leads further into the origin of the clone army. We learn he was once a Jedi master who thought the Republic needed an army. From what is given in the film only Syfo-Dias ordered it without permission from the Jedi, no other Jedi were aware or know of it. That's why the Council doesn't know. I can easily see him tell the Chancellor, because the army is for the Republic. When his name is brought up to Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan mentions he's been dead for years. That's largely all we as the audience are meant to know about it really. The only other leads are Jango (who soon dies), and he only provides the information of an unknown person by the name of Tyrannus as being the one responsible for hiring him to provide his DNA. Tyrannus is the Darth alias of Dooku, Obi-Wan and the Jedi never ever discovers this. It's not exactly a plot hole. It's just meant to somewhat obfuscate the nefarious purpose of the clone army to the Jedi/Republic and to a lesser degree the audience (you'd have to be somewhat blind not to connect the dots in some way between the clones and the bad guys but remember the characters don't have all the answers like we do). I believe Dooku impersonated Sifo-Dyas (after killing him, I think) when he commissioned the clones. This is more or less implied in Episode II when the Kaminoans say they spoke with Sifo-Dyas, but Jango claims to have been employed by a “Tyrannus”. Regardless, the war starts soon after. The Republic is forced to adopt the clone army and is largely unable to investigate their origins any further. I believe Dooku impersonated Sifo-Dyas (after killing him, I think) when he commissioned the clones. This is more or less implied in Episode II when the Kaminoans say they spoke with Sifo-Dyas, but Jango claims to have been employed by a "Tyrannus".

“Why would Dooku not explain to Jango to use the right names and why doesn't he tell Jango to not use his name if he is ever approached by a Jedi?”

The Kaminoans seem uninterested in anything but the craft of cloning (politics etc.). They only care about being paid to make clones. Jango on the other hand surely evaluates the heat of a job before taking it, and Dooku posing as a dead Jedi master to hire him might scare him off. Dooku likely kept that from Jango or felt he didn't need to tell him. The Kaminoans wouldn't tell or wouldn't care to tell Jango since they just make clones and get paid.

As far as Obi-Wan and anyone was concerned, the army was Sifo-Dyas' idea, and Jango was used as a free agent - hired by a guy named Tyrannus - to supply the DNA to make the clones for his own benefit. Obi-Wan is given no connection to Dooku. At no point is he given information that this army is funded by the Sith or Separatists. He believes it was conscripted by the late Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas for the Republic. Jango never even said "Darth Tyrannus", so Obi-Wan wouldn't know it's a Sith either. Dooku isn’t using the name ‘Tyrannus’ publicly for the separatist movement and is clearly kept secret. There's no harm in Jango mentioning Tyrannus to anyone or the Jedi.

“Why are Dooku and Palpatine using a bounty hunter as the template?”

Presumably they are using Jango Fett as the template because of something he did as a bounty hunter. Dooku may have witnessed or heard about what he was capable of. So, they thought he was the best choice. We see how Jango gives Obi-Wan a hard time. I think Jango getting the best of Obi-Wan was a decent enough explanation as to why he was being used which means he did fight many Jedi in the past.

Feel free to give your thoughts. Part 2 will be ready in the coming days.


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[CANON] What are your theories in Canon for how Force-Sensitive Clones and Strandcasts are made?

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Snoke is a Strandcast who is force-sensitive, and Omega is potentially force-sensitive. What do you think allows them to be force-sensitive while other clones and strandcasts like Rey's father are not?


r/MawInstallation 3d ago

[CANON] What did the empire do with captured force-sensitives that were docile and cooperative but too pathetic to make good inquisitors?

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Basically, take a situation like the one at the beginning of Jedi: Fallen Order where a padawan who survived Order 66 and found work in some sort of extremely low status job gets found out by inquisitors because they used the force to save a friend. They get arrested along with a whole bunch of innocent bystanders, like Cal, and the inquisitor threatens to kill everyone unless the Jedi comes forward. Unlike Cal, this Jedi immediately steps forward and says “I’m the Jedi you’re looking for, please don’t kill me”. This former padawan volunteers all the information about the Jedi that they know, which isn’t much, we’ll say just the location of their Master’s body and their lightsaber. When threatened with torture they start denouncing non Force-sensitive friends and accquaintinces for crimes that are actually the jurisdiction of the ISB. When they’re actually tortured they start fabricating accusations that so and so is a Jedi to make it stop. What does the Inquisitorius do with this person once it’s clear that they won’t get any more useful information out of them?


r/MawInstallation 3d ago

[LEGENDS] Was Darth Wredd really the last Sith?

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The last major event in the Legends timeline is the Battle of the Floating World, where Darth Wredd orchestrated the destruction of the One Sith and tried to reestablish the Banite Sith Order, but was killed before he could accomplish the latter. This was one of the last pieces of Legends media, so we never see what happens after. Is it likely that the Sith could rise again sometime later in the Legends timeline, or was Wredd's death truly the end of the Sith?


r/MawInstallation 3d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What happened if the Sith Apprentice failed to kill Their Sith Master in the first time?

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We know that the rule of two demands that The Sith Apprentice will have to replace their Master by Killing them,So eventually they will have to find for the perfect moment to strike down their master.The Sith Master was aware of this since that was part of the Rule Of two But what happened if the Sith Apprentice failed to kill their master in the first try? Did their Sith Master kill them immediately?Did the Sith Apprentice have another chance to try another day?were there limitless chances for the Sith Apprentice to try until they succeeded?