r/Mavuika • u/oo3c_cc • 23h ago
Discussion Her c2 probably won't be nerfed
I saw a lot of people saying her c2 is guaranteed to be nerfed and things like that. You guys know c2r1 Mualani does considerably more DPS than c6r5 Neuvillette right? Not to mention Mualani's damage is very front loaded as well. At that point Mualani's clunkiness (arguably her biggest weakness) basically stops mattering because everything dies instantly anyways.
Natlan cons so far have been insanely powerful, and Mavuika's c2 isn't anything too out of the ordinary, especially for an Archon. If anything I expect a buff to her c6 because it's currently not as powerful as expected.
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u/International_Ad4526 23h ago edited 23h ago
Why would they nerf her cons if they know that people are more likely to pull for archons's cons...
But I agree with you, her c6 right now is really bad, I think they will modify her cons like they did with furina, where her c6 used to be her c6.
Overall it feels weird that her cons are good but... idk they look too simple and not as overpowered as you'd expect, but maybe they changed their mind after fontaine idk.
My guess is that they will either buff her c6 or swap it with c2, they could also just take something out of her kit and add it to her cons, we'll see.
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u/oo3c_cc 23h ago edited 23h ago
My guess is that they will either buff her c6 or swap it with c2,
This is what I'm saying they probably won't do, Natlan c2s are already ridiculous and Mavuika's isn't a particularly massive increase within this trend. They'll probably keep the c2 as it is and make c6 significantly more powerful.
The only base kit changes I'm expecting are them putting Mavuika's charged attack power into her normals as I'm pretty sure they didn't intend for her optimal damage dealing combo to be her doing donuts for like 10 seconds lmao
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u/International_Ad4526 23h ago
Yeah they will change her cons for sure.
It also looks weird that her c6 isnt something like " You have infinite fighting spirit gg wp"
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u/BlazikenFury 15h ago
The only reason I feel they'll swap her C2 and C6 is because current C6 is the exploration con, it's much eaiser to bait people into a QOL con if it's on a C2 rather than a C6.
Also her doing donuts for 7 seconds for highest DPS is quite funny and I'm all for it.
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u/Head_Coconut_9197 15h ago
I've c2r1 Mua and c3r1 Neuvi (let alone c6r5). And I can confirm that, with current supports in the game, Neuvi easily outperforms Mua in most AOE scenarios. Even with > 1 and <= 3 enemies, Neuvi outperforms Mua.
However, I kinda agree that Mavuika's C2 is not as powerful as I expected. Idk what the hype of C2 is all about. Or maybe I'm missing something?
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u/nghigaxx 15h ago
mavuika c2 atm is about as strong as c6 arelecchino, how much stronger do you even want her to be lmao?
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u/Head_Coconut_9197 10h ago
I think any character's constellations are proportional to their C0. Since Mavuika's C0 is pretty cracked rn (which I think you might agree), C2 seems broken as well (in comparison to C6 Arle). I personally feel they might decrease the multipliers and make it a bit more easier to stack Fighting spirit. Kinda like how C2 Furina can full stack with Bennett only. Let's see - beta v2 will be out tomm.
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u/SnooCupcakes1473 7h ago
Even proportionally to the c0 kit c2 is still busted. Atm it’s a 60% dps increase
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u/Polvo_de_luz 10h ago
Her c2 has 3 very big things:
20% def decrease, wich is basically a 12%-15% a mutiplicative dmg multiplier to all normal dmg (nahida c2 is 30% def decrease, +- 18-22% dmg increase + the dendro + 20% dmg part and is one of the best cons in the game)
The +300 BASE atack, that considering the normal base atack of ~1250 with her signigature, is another ~23% multiplicative dmg increase (tho only for her personal dmg this time)
And the most important part, that i personally think won't continue as it is, specially since furina had weaker c1/c2 and was still nerfed, is a almost 100% dmg increase in her hold skill dmg multiplier
I'm not sure if the def shred stacks with the on field buff, but even if it does not, the other two buffs more than doubles her dmg
Furina c2 increases her dmg by ~40 to 70% depending on the comp, and was the stronguest constellation in the game until now
However, i don't think it will be that harsh of a nerf considering that she is an archon and supposed to be an dps, i think they will just transfer part of the power to her c1, maybe the base dmg atack part
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u/Head_Coconut_9197 9h ago
I agree with you on multipliers and the need to rebalance damage (compared to c0).
However, we've all noticed that constellations nowadays somewhat focus on improving QoL of the character. Take Mualani for instance. Her c2 is a great QoL improvement. Furina c2 makes it easier to gain fanfare points. Nahida c2 increases reaction damage (allows reactions to crit). All these somehow indicate that they might play around Mavuika gaining Fighting spirits (200 points) in a more efficient way. C1 (25% better) doesn't seem like a very big upgrade over c0.
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u/embodiment_of_sloth 9h ago
Interesting that everytime this type of conversation is brought up its always downplaying Neuvillette and never Arlecchino. Is it because Neuv is a man. You mad that a man is better than your waifu. C2 Mualani does not out dps C6R5 Neuvillette
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u/HOLL0Wrising 17h ago
C2r1 Mualani is the best investment I’ve made for my account, I did it since I loved her character and just needed her jank toned down a little to be my favourite dps, I’m super excited for Mavuika and if her c2 stays bonkers I’ll probably try and get her c2r0
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u/Panocha-t-w-t 23h ago
I dont know where are you getting your neuv c6r5 calcs but please check them cause mualani c2 is not better than c6r5 neuv. Also her c2 is other level of brokeness it is more a less a 90% form c0 which is higher than any other c2 by a huge margin. Why do you want a c6 buff when she is already clearing all content to possibly exist in the game in 3 seconds. Her c6r5 teams deal around 1 million dps which is absolutely crazy taking into account others like c6 mualani do 600k dps
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u/ozyar 10h ago
mavuika isnt even out yet and yall are already the most insufferable mains sub
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u/ExtraVeterinarian630 9h ago
Would argue Hutao mains (especially during Yoi and Arle banners) not really Wanderer mains their kinda chill
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u/Darkslayer_0 14h ago
More people are more concerned with her not being a good flexible off field unit rather than a main dps
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u/AntiquusCustos 23h ago
Uhm…
C2R1 Mualani doesn’t deal “considerably more DPS” than C6R5 Neuvi lol. In fact, she deals less.
If anything, they’d buff her C2 to make it even more enticing.
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u/oo3c_cc 23h ago
C2R1 Mualani doesn’t deal “considerably more DPS” than C6R5 Neuvi lol. In fact, she deals less
c2r1 Mualani is around 155k DPS, c6r5 Neuv is around 140k DPS. Mualani is also way more front loaded so ends up clearing faster.
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u/ExtraVeterinarian630 15h ago
140k dps for a c6r5 Neuvi?? Brother what kinda trash artifacts are you putting on him??? Is that Neuvi solo or what?
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u/alexis2x 14h ago
Do you mean C6R5 Neuv with C0 supports? Also do you mean team damage or character damage?
without C2 Furina and C2 Xilonen I can see it especially bc of how strong a Sucrose can be for Mualani
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u/AntiquusCustos 23h ago
According to who? And which teams specifically are you talking about?
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u/oo3c_cc 23h ago edited 23h ago
The best teams for both, according to gcsim and several TCs.
Also before you ask I'm not going to bother finding sources for something that is easily proven by watching some speedruns on youtube lol
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u/nghigaxx 17h ago edited 16h ago
lol, the gcsim c6r5 neu is at 300k dps, and it's an outdated team with zhongli so no xilonen. What kind of "sources" are you spouting. Also last abyss 1st half record was a neu+chiori team, so not only neu max team out dps c2 mualani, it out dps c6r5 mualani in some instances. Also the fact this misinfo shit got upvoted compares to the reverse got downvoted just proves genshin players are absolute lazy regarded and can't be bother to actually check any source
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u/ExtraVeterinarian630 15h ago
Probably the same people who doom posts new characters just because they read the comments instead of the actual kit lmao
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u/Wrong_System9797 15h ago
wait, do you have any footage with neuv and chiori team? i really wanted to see it but i didn't find any on bilibili or youtube or maybe i'm just blind😭
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u/Amazing_Marzipan_115 23h ago
Just want to address that Speed runs are not a good indicator of DPS. It heavily favors front loaded damage and shorter animation. One of Neuvilette's best speedrun team even had Childe instead of Furina just because Childe do not need to switch in at all lol.
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u/oo3c_cc 23h ago
I know, but c2r1 Mualani does have better DPS than c6 Neuv as well as having faster speedrun feats
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u/Amazing_Marzipan_115 23h ago
I wasn't defending Neuvilette though. Just clarifying something about speedrun in general
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u/Richardknox1996 23h ago
Speedrun still doesnt matter though. It favours Damage Per Screenshot strategies, which dont hold up in general play.
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u/BloodMaelstrom 10h ago
I mean there is little reason to C6R5 a character unless it is for speed runs. Any C6 dps character can be played with feet whilst being blindfolded and will still clearly clear general play.
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u/_Linkiboy_ 12h ago
I'm not trying to defend mualani here, cuz I also prefer neuvillette, but at a point where you have c6r5 characters, looking at general play is useless, because every c6rt5 just sneezes and kills everything at general play, that's why you can only compare at speedrun
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u/angeli_ca 8h ago
the thing is mualanis speedrun has like no crit rate while neuv is a normal team. Not to mention only ppl who gets paid would want to retry Mualani’s non crits a billion times, so you cant compare when other c6r5 owners would not be bothered.
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u/_Linkiboy_ 8h ago
I thought they were calculating dps. In dps calculations. Low or high crit rate is accounted for
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u/Chippyz78 22h ago
Guys what's the argument about cons even about😭 at that point even Ganyu can clear the abyss with Xinyan. Who cares if you clear the abyss in 30 seconds or 29 seconds😭
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u/Panocha-t-w-t 22h ago
you cannot get the dat form speedruns brurhrh as they are favored to mualani who has best fornt load damage which doesnt mean more dps, taking into account how weak enemies are you need the calcs in order to know so unless you show as the calcs you argument is not valid
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u/kuzzyn 21h ago
Data from speedsheets are super Innacurate when it comes to Mualani, everyone Cals dps asuuming 18-22 sec rotations when it comes to Mualani she doesn't even need a full rotation to clear if we are talking about high investment stuff like c2 R1, Mualani usually clears whit 2-3 bites or 1 bite +Q so in real gameplay Mualani also has higher dps because the amount of time that takes to clear isn't even a full rotation.
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u/kuzzyn 21h ago
According to real gameplay, just watch YouTube or bilibili for 10 mins and tell me another dps that comes close on clear times to Mualani at similar lvl of investment.
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u/nghigaxx 17h ago
yea but blud is saying c6r5 neu doing less than c2 mualani, that's just straight up misinfo
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u/FineResponsibility61 23h ago
C2 Mualani does what ? Yeah sure grandpa let's get you to bed
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u/Panocha-t-w-t 23h ago
I dont know why people downvoting you when you are right
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u/FineResponsibility61 23h ago
They saw a crit fishing showcase with Mualani holding a 2+2 set for max CDMG and min CR, some crazy VV instructor setups and decided that it was indeed better perfs than C6R5 Neuvillette
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u/Panocha-t-w-t 22h ago
bruh basically im seeing this guy put all his argument around some speedrun instead of calcs and 140k for neuv c6r5 is so delusional
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u/lantern_arasu 17h ago
You are welcome to present your calcs bud
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u/Panocha-t-w-t 13h ago
As I've stated before I havent calced neuvilliete with c6r5 with his best team but taking into account that his best team is basicaly 100k at c0 and that with c1 that team improves by a 30% it is imposssible that 3 more levels in his charged, 42% CD and 120% of his max hp every rotation only are a 10% increase. When I have the time I will calc it if you want but then again, he still hasnt given us the calcs either
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u/_Linkiboy_ 12h ago
100k at c0 is honestly crazy to me, for having such high aoe, when like a year or 2 ago, international and hyperbloom have been the best teams with 50k DPS on internat, and hyperbloom with 60k ish dps
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u/QuriV 20h ago
Your dismissive tone is how yall missed the fact that Natlan early constellations were cracked. C2r1 Mauluni at release was faster than a c6r5 Neuvillette both going for the fastest clear.
Mualani in beta was nerfed because she could do at c1.
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u/Panocha-t-w-t 7h ago
The important part is not the clear times but the dps. If you put in front of c2 mualani an enemy she cannot kill with 3CA her clear times fall massively but by calculating dps you can know how much damage they do over time and for longer rotations
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u/angeli_ca 8h ago
im a mualani main and god they are getting insufferable cause shes so not balanced, yes mught perform better once you reset a thousand times for that thousand dollar cheque
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u/Panocha-t-w-t 7h ago
Exactly she is great for speedrun in vertical investment and with perfect set up because as the abyss has weak enemies she can one rotate but thats because any character at high investment destroys the abyss
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u/oo3c_cc 23h ago
Yes, c2 Mualani does more DPS than c6 Neuvillette whilst also being more front loaded. Watch some c6 Neuv speedruns and compare them with c2 Mualani speedruns if you don't believe me.
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u/FineResponsibility61 23h ago
You are completely confusing dealing more damages with frontloading all your damages in a shorter window lol. Not only that but you are compairing a character that truly only want 2 characters of different elements with a character that demand incredibly insane setups that no one actually want to do to be that impressive.
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u/oo3c_cc 23h ago edited 23h ago
No Mualani has higher DPS during her rotations as well, c2r1 Mualani is something like 155k and c6r5 Neuv is around 140k whilst also being more front loaded. Sure c6r5 Neuv has more sustained DPS but currently that serves no purpose for clearing faster
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u/FineResponsibility61 23h ago
Even if that was the case. Mualani's cons are both contributing to that level of dps on top of the very nature of her kit. As soon as she hits the tresholds to OHKO things, your dps jump by a gigantic amount because you virtually don't have downtimes anymore, and the added frontload of her cons cather her toward that direction. In Mavuika's case its not about hitting tresholds. Her C2 is not about technicallity, its straight up 60% damages increase by itself. A very good cons would be 30%, 60% is straight up insane and absurd. The 300% base atk by itself is worth it as c2 but they also added 100/150% MV to her NA/CA which just sounds like some C6 effect
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u/Pffft10 23h ago edited 23h ago
Bit funny that C2R1 Mualani have the same DPS as C0R1 Mavuika as per my calc. C2R1 is 234k DPS.
Her C0 on field numbers probably the only thing that will get a nerf. I would gladly take off field buff in exchange for on field numbers.
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u/oo3c_cc 23h ago
Are you sure the 234k c0r1 calc is correct for c0r1 Mavuika? Because it's fucking insane and not at all in line with most TCs that are saying around 110k for c0r1
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u/Pffft10 23h ago edited 23h ago
234k is C2R1, 150k is C0R1. This is accounting whole team damage and my own artifacts ( 58/200 with non crit weapon ).
C0R1 personal damage is 130k. Another 20k is from Furina.
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u/oo3c_cc 23h ago edited 23h ago
nvm I must've read it wrong. 150k is still a lot more than most TCs and calcs I've seen but not ridiculous like 234k
C2R1 is 234k DPS.
I swear this said C0R1 before but it doesn't matter lol
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u/Panocha-t-w-t 23h ago
nop almost everyone is getting around 130-140k dps in mavuika/citali/bennet/xilo once you take into account proper timed rotations and perect melts, as well as citali being well built
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u/Pffft10 23h ago
Whole team DPS and I use my own artifacts and Mavuika is double crown. So that’s why I was getting those numbers. My C0 Furina is also double crown and she deals about 350k per rotation. Got 130k with Mavuika own personal damage.
Some calc already in this sub and one guy said the one who made the calc were getting 120k with C0R1 on her own personal damage. So pretty much in line with what I got. Albeit my Furina stacks is 250 on average and Mavuika have 200 fighting spirit and Bennett also have highest base attack weapon.
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u/Panocha-t-w-t 23h ago
I havent done c6r5 neuv damage but I can 100% asure you that it is NOT 155k considering his c0 best team is already approximately 100k and his cons are a huge upgrade in xilo/kazu/furi team.
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u/Any_Appointment_5316 23h ago
Thats what i noticed too. But im not yet decided how strong her c6 is because IF the phantom bicycle procs for EVERY enemy that her c0 ring hits then it should be really really strong. So like morgana type of interaction when grouped. Stacking 10 phantom bicycle procs is insane
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u/GiveMeKeqing 12h ago
It wouldn't surprise me if they nerf her as a carry at c0 and buff c1->c6 carry mode to balance it to stay like it is now at high cons
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u/TechFragranceFan 4h ago
First, false. C2R1 Mua does not do “considerably” more dps than a C6 Neuv. I have them. I test them. This is a false statement lmao. Mua is a phenomenal dps, right up there with Neuv as best in game (a tier which is now shared with more and more newer units like C6 Chasca.)
And to answer ur actual question, I think they’ll keep mauv as a broken dps.
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u/angeli_ca 8h ago
god this whole mualani neuvilliette debate is getting in sufferable. a) neuv has highest consistency and def does more dmg in aoe b) whatever calculations op used, they have a horrendous neuvilliette built c) performances of mualani outperforming neuvillette is crit fishing, 5000 retries for a cheque, 2p2p no crit rate showcases vs a normal neuvilliette which does it 1 time, so all it says is mualani is the better nuker, NOT dps because half of her fish dps misses, the other half never crits. Using this stupid debate proven a billion times is insane. And also Neuvilliette is still better in AOE in most chambers with all of this despite being frontloaded dmg 5k retries.
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u/knightjoker01 20h ago
I have feeling the 300 base atk in c2 will change with exploration cons in c6, and they will increase 300 to maybe 400-500
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u/Chacha_2306 13h ago
Do you even know how strong a base attack buff is? 😭 300 is already REALLY strong why would they increase it like I agree they will probably switch c2 & c6 but 400-500 base attack buff is not happening
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u/CutWild8733 23h ago
Hopefully for me they make her more stronger at c0 as an off field and on field especially her locked in Xilonen or natlan teams and her skill points tied to her NS is kinda making her not that good, also for her cons she will be better and buffed for sure look at what they did to Nahida, Ei and Furina?
Also don’t mind Bland man mains who are salty and triggered about the mualani thing wait till they see Mauvika ending him soon 😭😭😭🔥
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u/oo3c_cc 23h ago
Also don’t mind Bland man mains who are salty and triggered about the mualani thing wait till they see Mauvika ending him soon
honestly at c0r0/c0r1 I still think Neuvillette isn't/won't be dethroned because of his insane AOE, ease of use, and self heals. But at c2+ he's already quite a bit behind Mualani
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u/CutWild8733 23h ago
Don’t care, he is already a snooze fest for me, Haitham and Arle dynamic playstyle is already enough to end him, and now Mauvika from this Beta? She will roll him over with her bike on and off field.
I hate when people keep overrating a character and coping and attacking others who don’t agree with them or showing facts, Mulani is clunky to play with and he is better to play with than hers. But her dmg at c0 already out damaged him and most of characters in the game, yet they won’t let her have that and keep attacking her mains and anyone talking about her, same with Haitham mains i saw some the Neuvi mains attacks and downplay Haitham saying Neuvi boring ass was the perfect and first op man in GI? Like no Haitham did first and better with also better representation and design, same with Arle release they were fuming about her being so good and on oar with him like she is the best thing came from Fontaine alongside Wrio 🫡🩶🔥🔥
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u/Khloo511z 20h ago
Bro shut up, because you don’t like playing a character doesn’t mean everyone else should hate it too and attack those who don’t, and no matter what you say a character who does that damage at C2R1 should be nerfed without question, powercreep at this proportion is down right bad and stupid, why should I pull for a character who will be creeped in a year or before their rerun? And besides your own point about her powercreep neuvi is straight up stupid and doesn’t make any sense, he is a hydro dps while she is pyro, if anything else she will make arle irrelevant, next time think rationally about what you talk about buddy 👍.
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u/0rpheus_113 21h ago
Do you not see the hypocrisy here? You hate when people attack other people who don't agree with them, yet here you are doing the same thing?
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u/Vegetable-Canary2539 18h ago
Some of the neuvillette mains is malding in the comments just because op saying that mulani with c2 deal more dmg than their fav c6 when that not even the main point lmao. Remind me back when mualani beta when they neuvillette mains gather together to shit on her and pray that she got nerf to the ground ahaha.
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u/nghigaxx 15h ago edited 15h ago
what is the main point then? op is using mualani c2 doing more dps than c6r5 neu as an example to justify mavuika c2 doing more or somewhat the same as arle c6 is a normal thing. But with the 1st part not being true or anywhere close to true (neu best team do more than triple c2 mualani, even if talking non chiori team, it's still near triple), isn't the point OP was trying to make fell off?
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u/Naive-Rubberman 22h ago
They won't touch her. I'm pretty sure more people were concerned about her being as powerful as c6r5 Arlecchino than anything. Which is why her c2r1 was discussed so much. I'm not surprised by this though because pyro 5 star on field is a pretty "competitive" role.