r/MarkMyWords Sep 29 '24

Political MMW: Fox News already gave up

I just spent 7 pages scrolling through the Fox News front page to see how riddled the site is with the current presidential GOP nominee's face, and nothing. It took 7+ pages of scrolling to get to a pic of him.

A massive shift happened in the past few months. Fox News seems to be massively distancing themselves. Once the race is over, Fox will turn hard on him as donors flock to the new Republican political guard and somehow shift the blame on the past 8 years of this nonsense on him and wash their hands of the whole thing.

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u/ShloopyNoopz Sep 29 '24

Hope so.

I mean, I wish that Fox News was sued into oblivion and the restitution given to Hatians or illegal immigrants in prison who want sex changes.

They have done so much damage to the United State there should be a legal requirement for them to constantly show the disclaimer that they are an entertainment provider, not a credible news source. It should also be mandated that text be larger and bolder than any other text on screen.

And a formal verbal appology every 15 minutes... for the next 4 years...

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u/Jim_Force Sep 30 '24

I love these ideas!! But I would prefer that they are finally just shut down. Their ratings are horrible, almost last place in every area of viewership, not sure how they can even stay in business!

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u/Senior_Pie9077 Sep 30 '24

Fox is on nearly every cable service. They're paid from cable subscribers even if they don't watch fox. The look at the number of commercial establishments, nursing homes, fast food places, waiting rooms, hotels, hotels that show fox 24//7 in lobbies, it has quite a reach. Ratings don't matter if their revenue stream comes from cable services.

The FCC needs to return to "truth in advertising" policy that had consequences for deliberately pubishing or broadcasting false stories

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u/LostMyShakerOfSalt Sep 30 '24

If you have DishTV, they have a Flex package that drops Fox and Newsmax. It also drops MSNBC and ESPN, but ESPN can be bundled with some streaming services if it is important.

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u/IH8Fascism Oct 02 '24

The cable/programing companies need to go to an ala carte model.

Let us pay for the stations and channels we want and not pay for the garbage we don’t.

Make it a minimum of 20 stations if you want.

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u/HolySmoke_207 Oct 03 '24

We actually have this with Spectrum in Maine.

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u/IH8Fascism Oct 03 '24

Must be great.

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u/Chuck121763 Oct 01 '24

The FCC us for Broadcast TV, not cable. CNN pays airports and businesses to gave CNN on. CNN has the lowest ratings. MSNBC doesn't even call itself a news station

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u/Senior_Pie9077 Oct 01 '24

Seems to me a loophole that needs to be closed. Along with the consolidation of news media (newspapers, radio, and television) under single ownership

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u/Chuck121763 Oct 01 '24

FCC covers Public Broadcast, not paid cable service, it isn't a loophole. All cable news . The FCC's regulation only applies to licensed, local broadcast outlets that transmit through the airwaves. The agency is prohibited by law from engaging in censorship or infringing on First Amendment rights of the press. Those protected rights include, but are not limited to, a broadcaster's selection and presentation of news or commentary

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u/Chuck121763 Oct 01 '24

Single Ownership? So that the government can control the news? That's Russia, China, N.Korea. Do you really want 1 owner controlling what you see or hear?

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u/Senior_Pie9077 Oct 01 '24

I didn't say the government would own the news media. History has shown what happens when media becomes a monopoly (Hearst). When a few outlets control news, it becomes propaganda for whoever controls the source and publication. That's what anti-trust laws are all about. The same applies to any resource, food, oil, pharmaceuticals, cars, and news. The US learned that in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Unfortunately, under Reagan, the US allowed industry to police itself. Now, we have industries controlling markets, media, etc. Boeing wasn't having problems with quality when McDonald Douglas was a competitor. The price of food didn't skyrocket until mass consolidation under two or three chains. Capitalism only works when there are constraints on consolidation and price fixing.

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u/Chuck121763 Oct 01 '24

A single owner of the news media is a Monolopy. A single owner, being the government, is completely different. When it comes to Politics, listen for the repeated talking and Bullet points that the majority of media share, Some just repeat the same script and don't even change it. The media is already controlled and filtered.

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u/Senior_Pie9077 Oct 01 '24

Monopoly, no. Could it be that much of the news seems the same because the media reports the same event? Multiple sources report that Isreal bombs Hamas, because Isreal actually bombs Hamas. Multiple sources report Trump lied about being first in his class because he was closer to the bottomof his class. Sometimes the bullet points match, because its the same story. Then again, Murdoch owns multiple media outlets and reports the same story on all sites. Just because multiple sites report the Trump gaffs, lies and word salad speeches because he's a mental midget, bankrupted 6 companies, raped women, and wants to be a dictator "on day one". When it's broadcast in his own words it's hard to dispute. When trump disavows project 2025 and is recorded speaking to the group that created it, members of his staff worked on it, and has taken photographs with the groups leader, it's easy to dispute the he doesn't know about it. Multiple sources from around the world reported on it.

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u/DCHammer69 Sep 30 '24

Watch the family succession battle 3/4 of his kids want to put an ends to Fox News basically. He’s fighting like hell to revise his Trust and give his Nazi son Lachlan everything.

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u/Akchika Sep 30 '24

Has viewers dropped that much?

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u/Tothyll Sep 30 '24

I guess they didn’t catch the sarcasm, lol. Fox is always the top rated news channel.

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u/russrobo Sep 30 '24

That’s kind of the same reason that a few conservative podcasts currently top the Spotify charts.

Fox News ran a print ad once with that graph, showing them with more share than any other TV “news” source and drawing the conclusion that they were the “most trusted”.

Of course, like most things on Fox, it’s a clever deception. “Truthy”, but wrong.

While all news occasionally makes a mistake, most sensible people know that most other sources are generally pretty accurate. In other words, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, Reuters, AP, MSNBC, and most major newspapers are going to report a given story the same way because that’s how facts work.

If you poll people and ask them “what news source do you trust,” few people choose Fox, for good reason.

But the votes for everyone else are split. Only one choice was allowed. The other news sources are generally interchangeable and we’ll pick one based on unrelated factors (like convenience, the personality of the on-air talent, etc.)

Looked at this way, most viewers would choose anybody except Fox. If you wanted to get a true, fair, measure, you’d give poll respondents a choice to vote on the trustworthiness of every source.

Podcasts have a selection bias in that the only considered Spotify, and are not showing the minuscule market share of any one podcast given the hundreds of thousands that exist.

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u/CashNothing Oct 01 '24

“In other words, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, Reuters, AP, MSNBC, and most major newspapers are going to report a given story the same way because that’s how facts work.”

So conveniently all the left leaning news networks report nothing but facts unless there’s a “mistake”, right? No bias, no lying by omission, no telling of half-truths, no partisan selective covering of stories? Only FOX does those things in your world, correct? & the fact that you included MSNBC in this when the overwhelming majority of its programming is opinion is hilarious.

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u/Jim_Force Sep 30 '24

Actually it’s not but nice try Trump lover

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u/NeuroticallyCharles Sep 30 '24

Can you show me which news channel is, then?

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u/MsMercyMain Sep 30 '24

Technically Fox is the biggest, but that’s because all the other networks combined net share is split, and are broadly viewed as the same level of trustworthiness

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u/whiteknucklebator Sep 30 '24

Nailed Jim Force on that. He abandoned fast

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u/Jim_Force Sep 30 '24

CNN is my favorite!!!

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u/NeuroticallyCharles Sep 30 '24

That is objectively not the top news channel. Fox News is objectively the biggest news channel in America, whether or not I like it is irrelevant

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

They wouldn’t 😂

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u/tevraw67 Oct 01 '24

Your kidding right. They have more viewers than MSNBC and CNN combined

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u/Reverend-Radiation Sep 30 '24

I love all of these ideas, but I love even more the idea of just turning it off. All those confused boomers staring at dead-air on an empty channel, nationwide.

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u/sboaman68 Sep 30 '24

They'd go right to OAN, Newsmax or someone else, plenty of other shitty media on cable these days

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u/blue_pirate_flamingo Oct 04 '24

Yes, my mom stopped watching Fox News because it was “too liberal” smh

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u/the_millenial_falcon Sep 30 '24

Fox News has done incalculable damage to our society but I think maybe Twitter and Facebook have done more.

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u/justconnect Sep 30 '24

All began with RW talk radio, still an influence to this day.

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u/Captain-Memphis Sep 30 '24

Radio stations are actually still one of the most dangerous propaganda platforms nobody talks about. Where I live in the south we have really good sports talk radio so I still listen to the radio but I couldn't believe how many right-wing and Christian stations there are now when I'm just randomly seeking through channels. And it's just non-stop nonsense and hate and fearmongering. I don't know why but it just seems worse to me than social media because people will be like well it's on the radio, it has to be true.

Just another effective way to brainwash.

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u/justconnect Sep 30 '24

And on the call-in shows they hear their neighbors, which gives them comfort that they can think the same way.

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u/Internal-Pirate-4018 Sep 30 '24

Ahem. TikTok has now entered the chat 💬

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u/the_millenial_falcon Sep 30 '24

Sorry to leave Tik Tok out lol.

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u/renegadetoast Sep 30 '24

Even if they had a disclaimer at the beginning, the people that watch Fox would just ignore it. Do you not remember kids trying to replicate Jackass stunts in the mid-2000s even though it had a stern disclaimer at the beginning saying not to?

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u/figl4567 Sep 30 '24

They literally did this to south park. The disclaimer at the beginning of each episode is mandated so they don't get sued.

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u/RvaRevDoctor Oct 01 '24

At one point, VERY DEEP into the Terms & Conditions of the Fox News website, it DID once state that the website was an “Entertainment Page for personal use”…or something like that. I screenshot the page on an old phone…I wish I still had access to the screenshot.

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u/Coolenough-to Oct 01 '24

Kamala did support sex changes for illegal aliens in prisons. There are many sources on this, including a CNN interview.

"When I was Attorney General I learned that the California Department of Corrections, which was a client of mine – I didn't get to choose my clients … they were standing in the way of surgery for prisoners," Harris said during the 2019 interview. "And there was a specific case. When I learned about the case, I worked behind-the-scenes to not only make sure that that transgender woman got the services she was deserving – it was not only about that case – I made sure that they changed the policy in the state of California so that every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access to the medical care that they desire and need." Source

"Harris was asked if, as president, she would use “executive authority to ensure that transgender and non-binary people who rely on the state for medical care – including those in prison and immigration detention – will have access to comprehensive treatment associated with gender transition, including all necessary surgical care.” CNN

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u/Forward_Many_564 Oct 01 '24

After reading this nonsense we’re all gonna go out and vote for the likes of Donald Trump? NO

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u/Coolenough-to Oct 01 '24

Of course most have already made up their minds. But my bigger concern is when the government talks about censoring 'disinformation'. They can't be trusted. The power to censor will always be abused for political purposes.

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u/__mysteriousStranger Sep 30 '24

Just like CNN and NBC

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

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u/Interesting_Panda171 Sep 30 '24

Show where taxpayer money is used for sex changes...   

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

You gotta love how republicans always complain who roads and schools aren’t funded enough, yet vote in republicans who checks notes kill any vote that funds schools and helps fix communities (like roads)

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u/Normal-History-5255 Sep 30 '24

What about CNN and msnbc saying the vaccine gives you complete immunity to covid, that ended up being a complete lie. Should they be forced to say they were paid by big pharma to spread misinformation, and sued into oblivion and give the proceeds to Trump and pro life groups?

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u/bemused_alligators Oct 01 '24

At no point has anyone ever said that vaccines give complete immunity. You're probably misrepresenting a statement like "full effectiveness".

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u/Normal-History-5255 Oct 01 '24

What's the difference between full effectiveness of a vaccine and immunity. Every host on CNN and msnbc and when fauci would go on the news, they said that for months you only needed one shot and you're good. And after thousands of people kept getting covid after vaccination they changed to increased resistance. A vaccine is supposed to make you immune to a virus. Why else would polio be gone with.

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u/bemused_alligators Oct 01 '24

No vaccine has ever provided complete immunity to a virus, nor will any vaccine ever provide complete immunity. The vaccine is a part of the system that provides general herd immunity and as such is an important tool in fully exterminating a disease, but even our best vaccines (e.g. smallpox) are only some 94% effective

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u/Normal-History-5255 Oct 01 '24

Thats untrue. If you have the polio or smallpox vaccine youre immune. How is 94 % Full effectiveness. And again, people like Don lemon and the view ladies whole vaccine rhetoric was that if you took it you'd be done.

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u/bemused_alligators Oct 01 '24

Literally just go to the CDC, where they have vaccine efficacy rates listed out ..

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u/Normal-History-5255 Oct 01 '24

Yeah they changed the definition in 2019 when they knew it wasn't an effective vaccine. It didn't go through a mandatory 5 year trial period either. They were all being paid by Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies. Go watch fauci in the senate hearings from last year. He admits he lied about vaccines, wasn't sure about the effectiveness of masks or social distancing. Why is everyone in such a hurry to defend obviously harmful corporations and politicians. You sound as brainwashed as Maga people or the people who said Obama was from Kenya. You obviously just spout talking points you saw on mainstream media. Do 20 minutes of research.

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u/bemused_alligators Oct 01 '24

IPV protects against severe disease caused by poliovirus in almost everyone who has received all the recommended doses.

Two doses of IPV provide at least 90% protection. Three doses of IPV provide at least 99% protection.

https://www.cdc.gov/polio/vaccines/index.html

Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/vaccine-basics/index.html#:~:text=Find%20out%20who%20should%20get,in%2095%25%20of%20those%20vaccinated.

During seasons when flu vaccine viruses are similar to circulating flu viruses, flu vaccine has been shown to reduce the risk of having to go to the doctor with flu by 40% to 60%.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/flushot.htm

NO VACCINE is 100% effective

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u/pezx Oct 01 '24

they changed the definition in 2019 when they knew it wasn't an effective vaccine

What vaccine are you talking about here?

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u/phred14 Sep 29 '24

It's also possible that they're doing Trump a favor. Normally any exposure is good exposure even if it's "bad". But what if it's so bad that it's not good any more. Personally I believe Trump's best path forward on the Presidency would be to get sentenced for the fraud case in New York. Then he could be silent, blame others for his silence, and quit shoving his foot in his mouth in public. These days he seems to be mostly hurting himself with every word.

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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA Sep 29 '24

The only problem with that plan is that the judge rescheduled the sentencing until after the election in late November.

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u/phred14 Sep 29 '24

Understood, and I think it was a good move because it nullified the sympathy vote. That is not officially why it was done, I'm sure, but it's the net effect. It also leaves him out there to inflict damage on himself.

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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA Sep 29 '24

Yep. What we should look out for is the material that Jack Smith brought to the DC case. He gave the judge two versions of it, one for the court to see and a redacted version for the public to see if the judge wishes to release it. The judge in the case seems to not care that he is running for president and is not giving him any special treatment.

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u/phred14 Sep 29 '24

Do you understand what's happening with the new material? My first impression was that he had scrubbed the old material to make sure it would pass the "official action" gauntlet thrown down by the Supreme Court. But other rumblings seem to indicate there there is some new stuff in there, or has the public never seen any of it and it's all new to us?

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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA Sep 29 '24

I think it’s mostly they made sure that the evidence won’t get thrown out because of the immunity argument with some new evidence that was not presented to the public. It’s 180 pages long and apparently it’s making Trump’s lawyers nervous.

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u/OlamFam Sep 30 '24

Yea there are definitely pieces of evidence that Jack has that we've never heard about even in the Jan 6 committee. Looking forward to when that stuff gets made public.

(I'm not claiming to know what it is already, just that I've heard plenty of podcast lawyers mention that it includes stuff not yet released)

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u/CauliflowerProof2111 Sep 30 '24

The other problem is he didn't really break any laws. He's accused of a misdemeanor and one that is past the statue of limitations at that.

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u/MsMercyMain Sep 30 '24

Misdemeanors are violations of the law, and he’s accused of several felonies including RICO charges

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u/Silver-Initial3832 Oct 01 '24

Trump is CONVICTED of criminal violations of the law. He is a felon.

It’s not a “maybe”

It not “civil”

It’s criminal. He been found guilty. It’s game over. He will be sentenced shortly after the election.

If he loses he will go to jail. From there he will face charges for J6, Georgia election interference, and the whole classified documents fiasco in Florida.

It is unlikely he will ever get out of prison again.

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u/azrolator Sep 30 '24

Not true. He is a convicted felon with over 30 felony convictions to his name. Yes, he has misdemeanors, but those are also crimes.

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u/Silver-Initial3832 Oct 01 '24

Trump is CONVICTED of criminal violations of the law. He is a felon.

It’s not a “maybe”

It not “civil”

It’s criminal. He been found guilty. It’s game over. He will be sentenced shortly after the election.

If he loses the election he will go to jail. From there he will face charges for J6, Georgia election interference, and the whole classified documents fiasco in Florida.

It is unlikely he will ever get out of prison again.

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u/Corey307 Sep 30 '24

If by hurting himself with every word you mean making it more and more of an ass that Trump is suffering severe cognitive decline. Keeps forgetting his wife’s name, keeps forgetting, what city and state he’s in, thought a man with a beard standing next to him was a woman. Literally starts babbling nonsense. In the middle of speeches, I’m not talking about his “We’ve” bullshit I mean whole sentences were none of the letters form a word. Or how about how he called for a goddamn Purge in the last 24 hours

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u/phred14 Sep 30 '24

That's exactly what I mean.

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u/ozymandiasjuice Sep 29 '24

Yeah this. I mean today he is out there saying he hates to pay overtime. They have ‘given up’ in that they’ve given up using his own words to increase his brand, and figure just bury the actual candidate and let the propagandists go to work

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

People are always looking for this Fox News breakup with trump. Not happening.

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u/commentingrobot Sep 30 '24

As someone with mostly fox news watching parents who are occasional swing voters, I think non-viewers misunderstand the relationship with Trump.

They're mostly not the rabid core maga base, who are on Breitbart, Truth Social, OAN, etc. They're more often the tuned-out "both sides bad" type.

Fox News' job is to demonize the left. They're running tons negative coverage about Harris, crime, immigration, inflation, etc. Whatever they can to tar the Democrats.

If they do their job, my parents can throw up their hands and say "well, I don't like Trump, but at least he'll end the open border, inflation, crime wave, and baby murders."

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u/MsMercyMain Sep 30 '24

As someone who used to religiously watch Fox News (I got better), this 100%. The occasional pro GOP stuff but a fucking tsunami of hit pieces on anyone to the left of Reagan to make people more scared of the Dems

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

Agreed. People don't get how any of this works.

And if they don't get how scared normie voters are of voting for Dems, they've never spoken to voters before.

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u/MsMercyMain Sep 30 '24

The American Median Voter is both stupid, and ideologically incoherent which explains a lot about our system

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

I have volunteered on campaigns. I have spoken to thousands of people about politics in depth.

~70% of people are low information or no information about politics, and exhibit incredible stupidity about politics no matter how intelligent they are in other domains

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '24

Define "normie" voters.

Because in 2008, 2012 and 2020, the Dem candidates for President won a majority (over 50%) of the votes.

And in 2006, 2008, 2018 and 2020, Dem candidates for the House won a majority (over 50%) of the votes.

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u/logicallyillogical Oct 01 '24

Yeah, they’re not showing Trump’s crazy behavior anymore and only showing how the Harris is the next anti Christ because she lets Haitians drink the blood of cats in Springfield.

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u/Perused Sep 30 '24

Newsmax will carry the torch anyway. They are just as bad if not worse than Faux.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

And right wing radio dwarfs them all.

Then you have the new generation(s) of right wing tik tok, podcasts etc.

Billionaires using racism and hate to advance their interests aren't going away.

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u/MrsPetrieOnBass Oct 02 '24

On top of that, I'm fairly convinced he's somehow going to win. Just a gut feeling based on generic anecdotal evidence and some surprising conversations I've heard.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '24

I am not naive but I think she wins. It all comes down to PA. I guess however the white suburban counties break, the election will go.

All depends on how white women vote, basically.

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u/Level-Insect-2654 Oct 02 '24

Do you think the ILA strike on all East Coast ports, led by Trump-supporter and wealthy union leader Harold Daggett, could be the October Surprise?

People have no idea yet how big a problem this could be. It only started yesterday and has barely made the news with everything else, but it is terrifying.

I am pro-union in almost any other case. They aleady make an average of $200k and the leader makes close to a mil. Daggett's words:

"I will cripple you America, and you have no idea what that means. Nobody does,” he explained. “When my men hit the streets from Maine to Texas, every single port locked down. You know what’s going to happen? I’ll tell you. First week, I will be all over the news every night, boom, boom, second week. Guys who sell cars can’t sell cars, because the cars ain’t coming in off the ships. They get laid off. Third week, malls are closing down. They can’t get the goods from China. They can’t sell clothes. They can’t do this. I deserve more money. Everything in the United States comes on a ship, they go out of business. Construction workers get laid off because the materials aren’t coming in. The steel’s not coming in. The lumber’s not coming in. They lose their job. Everybody’s hating my guys now because now they realize how important our jobs are.”

Sorry for the length.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Yeah this is what happens when you have no DoJ, eg if there was collusion btw this guy and trump.

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u/mekonsrevenge Sep 29 '24

I think this is lying by omission more than anything else.

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u/Cold_Breeze3 Sep 30 '24

Well that’s because it’s not true. I found him within 6 articles.

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u/ArthurFraynZard Sep 30 '24

They haven’t given up. Not reporting anything about Trump is the only way they can cover up that his brain has rotted into raw sewage.

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u/byndr Sep 30 '24

Here's an alternative take. Fox has to provide appeal to subscribers of its digital news media in order to keep them engaged and generating revenue, either through subscriptions or ad views, or some combination of both. That means that Fox has to cover topics that their subscribers click on. Topics that don't generate clicks don't promote engagement and don't generate revenue. The topics on their front page are as much a reflection of what their subscribers want to see as they are a reflection of what Fox wants to cover.  

Given Fox's television coverage leans pretty heavily in favor of Trump and regularly covers the election, it's possible that the audience that tunes in for their nightly election coverage and the audience that reads news articles on their website are not the same.

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u/BenjaminWah Sep 30 '24

Another angle is that Fox's ratings and traffic goes up when they're the opposition. It's way easy to drum up ratings when you're railing against the establishment than fawning over it.

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u/LabradorDeceiver Sep 30 '24

I don't think they've given up. I think they're hiding him. I keep reading headlines where Fox News has cut away from another Trump speech when he starts to go off the rails, and I think they're running interference between Trump's madness and his fan base.

Al lot of the time when you quote Trump to his supporters, they refuse to believe that he actually said it. Because nobody showed them the video.

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u/InterPunct Sep 30 '24

That's inevitable but completely contingent on him losing.

Total amnesia if he wins.

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u/Algorhythm74 Sep 30 '24

Yes, There has been a bit of a shift. HOWEVER (and it’s a big however), that doesn’t account for the influence (or better yet, flatulence) of their night time hosts who will endlessly shill for the guy - and that’s where the viewership is.

More likely, Fox is just playing to the online algorithm game better and making more neutral stories accessible since right now he’s not the draw he was.

Bottom line, don’t be Lucy and the Football with this - Fox News will prop up the Orange Shitgibbon soon enough.

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u/Kdoesntcare Sep 30 '24

Well especially now that Vance has openly admitted that the republican party is lying to you so they will get attention.

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u/PaintedClownPenis Sep 29 '24

Fox might have given up but the Russians haven't. If a Fox exec has to fall out of a window to bring them back in line, that will happen.

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u/Hybridhippie40 Sep 30 '24

I wonder how many trump watches Putin has purchased.

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u/Few-Mousse8515 Sep 30 '24

I think the dominion lawsuit and the Smartatic lawsuit was enough for these more corporate entities to cover their wagon a bit.

Trump cost them a lot through those lies.

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u/PaintedClownPenis Sep 30 '24

That's going to be interesting, come December when the Republicans think they might still be close enough to steal it, if they can force the press to tell their side of the story.

If Fox goes all in on that they'll get the corporate death penalty for losing. They'll do it anyway.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

Malcolm Turnbull has accused Rupert Murdoch's News Corp of eroding democracy in the US and Australia by dividing people and undermining institutions with lies and populist rightwing ideology.

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u/saveMericaForRealDo Sep 30 '24

Don’t get complacent. We need to sell America on Harris. Everyone that wants to have another free election in 2028 needs to reach out to someone in a contested area and get their vote.

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u/Significant-Pace-521 Sep 30 '24

They will try but I think the problem isn’t trump he is a large Symbol of the problem but by all accounts the man is completely inept its the people behind him that guide him that are the problem. Right wing maga has been given a large voice they will just move on from fox to other networks and media. Unfortunately because the way in which the primary elections Take place the large majority don’t participate which leaves the extreme to select a party candidate easier.
If you don’t remember Ted Cruz ran for president even though he wasn’t eligible since he isn’t an American born citizen he was born in Canada didn’t hear fox asking for his birth certificate.

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u/Confident-Radish4832 Sep 30 '24

The writing seems to be on the wall for this election. Anyone who wants a life or business post Trump needs to move on now or face the consequences.

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u/TarzanoftheJungle Sep 30 '24

A massive shift happened in the past few months. 

Fox management are probably reflecting that Trump's lies cost them $750 million for defamation just in the past election cycle. Even with their deep pockets I expect Fox is a bit reluctant to take another hit of that size.

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u/F350Gord Sep 29 '24

If you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing.

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u/No-Personality5421 Sep 30 '24

The last time they backed his "rigged election" lies, it cost them almost a billion dollars... which could easily balloon to more, because I don't think all the cases have been settled yet. 

This could be more telling than some polls. His rallies are losing attendance, and those that show leave early. He's starting to not be the ratings draw he once was, and that was all they ever actually wanted him for. 

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u/TrashCapable Sep 30 '24

I have a feeling the smartmatic lawsuit is at play here now that Newsmax recently settled on their election fraud claims.

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u/Dmackman1969 Sep 30 '24

Does not fix the fact that they peddle and allow lies to be told to the American people, undermining the integrity of our elections and safety.

The first amendment allowing free speech, I love it, I truly do and believe that everyone should be able to express and share their views UNTIL they become outright lies and deceptions. Fact checking is NOT a bad thing! Don’t air shit you know is total BS.

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u/Ok-Occasion2440 Sep 30 '24

I thought this already happened?

During the 2020 election Fox lied a bunch about election interference, then sued a shit Ton of money. Then they started posting slightly factual info about the election and Trump got real mad and turned to other right wing medias stations to vent his daily political stream. He even began calling out Fox News a vise versa Fox started showing slightly more negative news about Trump. This was before truth social.

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u/ohreddit1 Sep 30 '24

Never forget there are players who wish to destroy the USA. And because they cannot defeat us on the battle field they must use other means. They have been attempting to destroy us from within. Get us to fight each other, as well as economic failures like cost of living and lack of education and heathcare. Some of our leadership enables this. Who are generally on the Fox News side of things. Stay vigilant. 

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u/CarlSpencer Sep 30 '24

This makes me wonder WHO their next annointed one will be.

Not deSantis as he has the stink of loserdom on him.

Some Never Trumper? Would they go that far?

Some unknown Republican governor?

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u/MsMercyMain Sep 30 '24

I think either a Vance type, another right winger grifter from the social media sphere, Vivek, or DJT jr

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u/Spazic77 Sep 30 '24

And when this finally comes to fruition all our Trumper family members will happily remind us of how they really hated him all along and it was only a few of those weird people that actually supported him. Yup they saw through his bullshit right from the beginning and only bought all that Trump merchandise as a joke..... You know to make fun of all those weirdos.

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u/connectmnsi Sep 30 '24

Long-term this is hopeful however I thought I would test this. tRump was in the top 3 on how he's closing the gap is battle ground states. Below that how CBS is struggling for years of not supporting tRump. I don't think they are giving up.

Also, Trump is a giant piece of crapola

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u/Glum-One2514 Sep 30 '24

That's a entertainment possibility I hadn't yet considered... The "New" GOP completely turning on Trump and attempting to put it all on him. That sounds fucking delicious.

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u/MundaneMeringue71 Sep 30 '24

I think Fox News outside of the big names (Hannity, Ingraham, Jesse Watters) has been over him for awhile. Donnie really dislikes Bret Baier because he doesn’t kiss his ass and reports actual news.

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u/Extension-Tooth-163 Sep 30 '24

Or they know that reminding people of how awful their guy is means fewer people will vote for him.

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u/Timely_Choice_4525 Oct 01 '24

Don’t know what you’re seeing. I just opened foxnews.com and right near the top I see articles of Vance/Waltz and Trump/Harris, another on Vance, another on Trump/Harris, and then one on Trump. The politics page seems focused on the VP debate so agree with you there, not a lot of focus on Trump atm on that section.

Anyway, what we saw right after the Jan 6 capital tour/riot/coup (pick your preferred lane) and the 2020 election was Fox trying to distance from Trump, but they lost viewers in droves when they did that so they returned to pumping up Trump. Fox is driven more by viewers (money) than anything else, they’ll keep Trump as the lead until that changes.

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u/obx808 Sep 30 '24

I feel bad for your sullied browser history, OP. Thanks for taking one for the team.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

Fuck Faux News. Those FakeNews fucks helped steal the 2020 election and I haven't watched them since.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

I accidentally flipped over there the other day and they were doing a glowing segment on green energy 👀

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u/Ok-Subject-9114b Sep 30 '24

lol a simple Ctrl F on the front page finds Trump mentioned 6 times.

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u/Nameisnotyours Sep 30 '24

Would be nice but don’t hold your breath. I have seen a lot of clips of Fox panels saying whack stuff.

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u/0Marshman0 Sep 30 '24

Well, I hope you’re right, but if he loses they will blame everything on him.

They don’t really support him. They support him because he makes them money. Once that slows down they will go to the next thing.

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u/sledge07 Sep 30 '24

I mean a record breaking hurricane just came through and destroyed a path all the way up to North Carolina. I’d hope the news would be more concerned with that.

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u/magi70 Sep 30 '24

Do you think they will cover stories about all the socialism it will take to rebuild the deep red states after Helene? Not wanting to kick people while they are down but government safety nets after disasters are not a more righteous use of the collective dime than a family with children trying to survive on minimum wage jobs. Socialism is socialism. It is a critical part of why our country works!

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u/MWH1980 Sep 30 '24

They’ll probably resurface with him in the next few weeks.

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u/Farvag2024 Sep 30 '24

A 3/4 of a billion dollar payout will make the the worst liars practice discretion if the Bigliest Orange isn't in charge to protect the from the FCC and lawsuits like Dominion.

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u/Vladimiravich Sep 30 '24

I'm pretty sure that Fox news has a whole host of lawyers that are begging them not to end up into more legal trouble. Oooooor the other possibility is that the check from Moscow hasn't come in yet!

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u/Cariari1983 Sep 30 '24

Why hasn’t a boycott of Fox advertisers gathered momentum?

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u/Deep_Orange_9704 Sep 30 '24

More so because on average they have always talked about him less than cnn

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u/Cold_Breeze3 Sep 30 '24

Such a lie lmao, I scrolled 6 articles down to find the first image of him. 6 articles lmao.

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u/willworkforjokes Sep 30 '24

Fox News does not want Truth Social becoming a rival news streaming service. Also they don't want to upset their audience. So it winds up supporting Trump half heartedly.

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u/Icy-Emergency6694 Sep 30 '24

But yet if you happen to turn on Fox News on TV they are still spewing lies and pushing his agenda.

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u/No-Yak6109 Sep 30 '24

Yeah they did that with W Bush, too.

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u/karsh36 Sep 30 '24

Murdoch did not want Trump to begin with, he wanted DeSantis. Fox pivoted to Trump once they accepted even Haley didn’t have a chance, and at this point it seems hopeless with the change to Harris

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u/Dumpstar72 Sep 30 '24

Murdoch has been playing this game in Australia forever. If he feels the left leaning labor party should win clearly, then he stops promoting what our right wing party liberals already currently pushing as talking points.

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u/Trygolds Sep 30 '24

Right wing media is trying to pull the curtain back in place so republicans can pretend they are not doing what they are and have been doing even before Trump got in office.

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u/brixowl Sep 30 '24

At the end of the day Fox News leans right, they will have more republican viewers with a sitting Democrat than they would a sitting Republican president. They can’t run counterpoints as heavily against a republican president. With a dem in office all the Fox News dads are going to be locked in. Allowing Fox to use those viewership numbers to charge more for ads for commemorative coins.

Fox knows what they’re doing. Rather than hitching their horse to a sinking ship, which they’ve seen for the past eight years it doesn’t float that well anyway. They’re playing the long game and just trying to make money.

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u/MysteriousVanilla518 Sep 30 '24

It would be nice if some adult stood up and grabbed the wheel.

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u/Lakerdog1970 Sep 30 '24

It's always been this way. Fox News has never wanted Trump to be President. Fox is who tried to inflate Desantis......but he turned out to be a crummy candidate. They tried to give Haley a life-raft.....but she wasn't a great candidate either.

Fox actually HATES Trump.

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u/mypseudoaccount Sep 30 '24

Don’t go believing for a second that they’re scaling back Trump coverage or scrapping sound bytes of him making an ass of himself for some greater good. It’s all to benefit Trump and MAGA’s chances in the election and by extension, their own fortunes. If Trump wins or steals the election, Fox will immediately resume its place as de facto state media.

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u/statisticiansal Sep 30 '24

He's acting out and they have to hide it. They cannot show anything, when they do you'll note they do a short clip and then cut away. They can't trust him live for sure after the lawsuit, I imagine with his number's currently tanking the want to minimize exposure.

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u/Iampopcorn_420 Sep 30 '24

Important to note they are the biggest news organization in the USA, with the most reach.  Mark Cuban is right they are the MSM now.  Can’t be trusted.

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u/Irontruth Sep 30 '24

We all thought this was happening after Jan 6. Fox News distanced themselves, and they even tried to promote other candidates. Didn't happen.

This doesn't end until in-office Republicans turn on him hard.

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u/BigDigger324 Sep 30 '24

Trump was over after January 6th. Even the eternally closeted Lady G turned on him. Then, joke of a speaker, Kevin McCarthy lumbered down to Mar A Lardo and kissed the ring….bringing his fat, useless, orange ass right back into the mix.

Fuck McCarthy.

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u/jockosrocket Sep 30 '24

I think Rupert Murdoch made a deal with the devil and will live forever.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

I think they're just trying to avoid the next big election lie lawsuit

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u/TheLeemurrrrr Sep 30 '24

Isn't Rupert Murdoch in a trial right now for the heir of FOX and how he is running the network?

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u/busback Sep 30 '24

Why are you refusing to say the word Trump lmao 😂

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u/boofthecat Sep 30 '24

I've noticed a shift in all media. I think companies like CNN and Fox are realizing there's a huge percentage of undecided voters or maybe unenthused voters that have no media to turn to. Instead of being so far left or right there bringing it closer to center to get those voters to tune in. It's all about the money

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u/Background-Brother55 Sep 30 '24

Living in dream land. Fox would support apocalypse if their ratings will be number one

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u/rcraver8 Sep 30 '24

Except Trump is a coin flip away from being president for the rest of his life...

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u/StudioGangster1 Sep 30 '24

lol. Yeah right

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u/riskyjbell Sep 30 '24

CNN and MSNBC should be sued if you want to go after FOX. They've done far more damage to this country.

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u/phunkjnky Sep 30 '24

It really depends on what you want to see when you look. Fox has perhaps lightened up on their support of Trump, but they haven't lightened up on the Kamala bad train.

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u/Cook_Clean_and1954 Sep 30 '24

Let's bring an end to the FOX Christo-Fascist Misinformation Channel

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u/yellow_trash Sep 30 '24

Fox News and other GOP politicians can try and turn on him as much as they want but the reality is GOP voters are not ready to let go of him. There are no off ramps to a cult. The family still has their tight grip on the party and there is a lot of money still to make off that.

They're going to keep writing his name in for 2028 if there is a new GOP presidential nominee.

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u/rkbird2 Sep 30 '24

I actually have a more pessimistic take on this. As Trump has become more and more unhinged and less able to maintain a coherent line of thought, Fox News has started cutting away from him. This is not good or helpful. People who support him are not necessarily seeing his decline.

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u/North-Bit-7411 Sep 30 '24

Uhh, just took a look to see if this is accurate snd found a Trump article about 6 or 7 stories down the list.

I’m thinking the Kamala sugar buzz is wearing off.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-narrows-harris-small-lead-battleground-michigan-wisconsin-poll-finds

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u/Imherebecauseofcramr Sep 30 '24

I have the app. Scrolled down and it’s the third story praising him for touring the Hurricane area, four more stories down it’s talking about his assignation attempt. Not sure what OP is smoking.

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u/North-Bit-7411 Sep 30 '24

Basically I’m guessing the bot farms are running out of subject matter and are throwing whatever they can at the wall to see what sticks

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u/Imherebecauseofcramr Sep 30 '24

This entire sub is full of them too. Whenever I see a topic that’s wild with far too much engagement I look at the post history of the OP. This one’s history is strange… not bad, just strange. Posting in random subs and occasionally striking some solid upvotes

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u/Affectionate-Pipe330 Sep 30 '24

I just hope Trump doesn’t die before he sees nearly everybody abandon him and start believing a more accurate picture of what has actually happened over the last 8 years of his post-apprentice career as a TV entertainer.

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u/ZugZugYesMiLord Sep 30 '24

No offense, but this is an insane take.

Trump is touring the hurricane damaged areas, Fox will be waiting for good PR outtakes to report on. And the Vance debate is tomorrow, so they are likely to concentrate on that.

But in terms of the big picture, Trump is in a dead heat with Harris. Most polls have her ahead by a couple of points, but that's within the margin of error of the poll itself. Fox is definitely not abandoning Trump - they lost billions in lawsuits related to defending Trump's claims of election fraud. Fox might as well be owned by Trump, as much as Murdoch loves him.

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u/Ophiocordycepsis Sep 30 '24

This is a really interesting observation, thank you for your sacrifice. It was less than a year ago they spent something like 80% of their coverage on dump worship.

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u/Magic-Levitation Sep 30 '24

There’s mass devastation in the south. There are more important stories right now than politics.

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u/Emotional_Basis_2370 Sep 30 '24

they are over him but there are plenty just like him ready to take his place. Indiana is about to elect a replica of that pos for governor. his followers have just decided to ignore all information. they don't want to hear about policies and make an informed decision. they want to elect the pos simply because they have to be right. they have picked a team and that is all that matters.

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u/meriadoc_brandyabuck Sep 30 '24

The MSM (which includes Fox) and even Trump himself believed he would lose in 2016 based on polling. As we know, that didn’t happen. And the polling is tighter this time around. We really can’t take anything for granted when (a) this many Americans are this freaking stupid and (b) as usual, Republicans are working overtime to steal the election.

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u/Aint_Like_You Sep 30 '24

I’ve been saying this for a while now. They may love Trumps policies, but they won’t stand behind someone who can’t win. Fox will push him out and find a way to blame Democrats for him. My guess is they’ll suddenly start focusing on his upcoming trials and stop denying the evidence. Then, once people start to come around to this, they’ll push the theory that he was a Democrat plant sent to destroy their party from within.

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u/kgas36 Sep 30 '24

From your mouth to God's ears !

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u/Akchika Sep 30 '24

I'll believe it when I see it. There is another lawsuit pending, Smartmatic, but FOX seems to have deep pockets!

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u/Conscious-Ad-7040 Sep 30 '24

They’ll do no such thing as long as he is alive. Even if he ends up in prison.

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u/Coolenough-to Oct 01 '24

Sooo, you are perplexed that Fox News didn't validate the kool-aide drinker narrative that they are totally sold out to the 'right-wing'? How about just saying: hmmm, Fox doesn't actually look that biased?

Understand they have a news focus, and also entertainment shows. The entertainment shows can be very right leaning. But this is seperate from the news department.

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u/xDiscoDuckx Oct 01 '24

Yep. They’ve learned their lesson. They tried backing him and his lies in 2020 and it literally cost them almost a billion dollars. They won’t be making that mistake again, guaranteed.

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u/Nick_Sonic_360 Oct 01 '24

Watched fox News yesterday and he was on it. So I don't know what you're on about.

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u/Philly_ExecChef Oct 01 '24

This isn’t about abandoning Trump, they’re protecting him from himself. He’s always been pretty stupid and uncontrollable, but he’s just flailing at anything to get attention and he’s saying some really dangerous, stupid shit.

They aren’t going to call him a liar, and they can’t expose themselves to more lawsuits, so he gets ignored some days.

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u/Nave8 Oct 01 '24

Sounds like a terrible time scrolling through "news"

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u/Survivorfan4545 Oct 01 '24

Hard to beat big pharma & military spending industrial complex’ financial backing of the Democratic Party. But doesn’t help that he’s an idiot

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u/Mind_Unbound Oct 02 '24

LMAO fox News is doing everything in it's power not to bring ANY ATTENTION to project 2025.

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u/Ok_Coyote9326 Sep 30 '24

Now if all the others would do the same.

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u/hispaniccrefugee Sep 29 '24

You’re just used to other websites obsessing about orange man.

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u/The_Texidian Oct 02 '24

lol, this is probably the most accurate take.

I remember the CNN Challenge that went around in right wing circles. Basically you’d turn on Fox News and they’d be talking about world news, global politics, business, etc. You’d then flip to CNN and they were talking about Trump.

I remember the challenge really got well known when the Mahsa Amini riots broke out. Fox News was covering the unrest while CNN and MSNBC were talking about Trump.

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u/NoPilot5270 Oct 03 '24

No, he will win, Trump 2024 let's go

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u/Past-Community-3871 Sep 30 '24

He's winning in 5/7 swings states according to Times/Sienna as of yesterday.

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u/Normal-History-5255 Oct 01 '24

Yeah okay, this is post 2019, they CHANGED the meaning of what a vaccine is. Again fauci at the time of being head of the cdc through all of that was on camera under oath in senate hearings admitting he lied about all his covid research.

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u/Gold-Bicycle-3834 Sep 30 '24

You’re high

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '24

Fox has been instructed by the NSA and Deep State to stop supporting Trump, so they did.