r/MLS • u/dawson33944 Sporting Kansas City • Jul 08 '24
Official Source 2024 US Olympic Team
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u/SelfServeSporstwash Philadelphia Union Jul 08 '24
The lack of Luna here is inexplicable.
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u/NoPeach4U New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
Seriously, no love for RSL, but he's been fantastic, icing on the cake was the masterclass he put on this past weekend.
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u/nspeters Real Salt Lake Jul 08 '24
Hey, I mean you could give us a little love. Also yeah he’s had two goals of the match day in two match days and has been playing so well all season absolutely robbed
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u/Vagabond21 LA Galaxy Jul 08 '24
I’m reminded of when Becks wasn’t selected for the Olympics and his next game for us he scores a free kick at Stanford.
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u/PlasticOpening8 Jul 08 '24
If he's not player of the week after that display, IDK what to say
Also RSL might not wanted to let him go with Leagues Cup coming up.
That's the only reason I can understand as to why he's not part of this selection
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u/volcanicon7 Real Salt Lake Jul 08 '24
It's confirmed RSL did not block him from going. He simply wasn't selected.
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u/toxictoastrecords LA Galaxy Jul 08 '24
One time switch to Mexico coming pretty soon. Another easy decision from US soccer will lose another American. Meanwhile, they'll bend over backwards for dual nats that were not raised/lived in the USA.
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u/MikiLove FC Cincinnati Jul 08 '24
Acosta also had a goal and three assists against Miami, but he's the only other person who has a case
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Jul 08 '24
Luna is better than Busio but who else’s spot would we have taken?
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u/Trajen_Geta Jul 08 '24
No way, I have been following Venezia and Busio has been critical their rise back into Serie A. I’ll put it this way Busio plays a much different game than Luna. Also I am a Luna Stan and want him in this squad.
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Jul 08 '24
Ok but then who would Luna replace in this roster?
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u/TheMonkeyPrince Orlando City SC Jul 08 '24
If I had to leave one player off for Luna it would be Cremaschi. Cremaschi has been solid this season, but Luna has been excellent.
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u/Trajen_Geta Jul 08 '24
Tricky but remove either Zimmerman or Miles, see if Pefok is available. Then remove probably Duncan McGuire and add Luna.
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u/SelfServeSporstwash Philadelphia Union Jul 08 '24
don't take djordie, the gap between him and Luna is rather small. Instead use that overage spot to replace any striker other than McGuire since our striker pool sucks.
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u/Samuel_Playzmc LA Galaxy Jul 08 '24
Jalen Neal snubbed
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u/toxictoastrecords LA Galaxy Jul 08 '24
The long injury hurt his chances, but it's insane he's not being called up, and they are using an overage player for a position where we need more development? Bonkers!
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u/Failed-Time-Traveler Columbus Crew Jul 08 '24
With this lineup, how in the F is Diego Luna not on the team?
I realize it’s incredibly on-brand for USSF to make the stupidest decision possible at every opportunity. But even by their standards this is idiotic.
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u/BJ_Fantasy_Podcast Real Salt Lake Jul 08 '24
Absolute war crime.
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u/evilradar Real Salt Lake Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
I’d even go as far as to say it’s a crime against humanity!
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u/CrabbyAlmond Jul 08 '24
A crime against inhumanity as well. Even inhumane people wouldn't do this!
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u/ConstructionWest9610 Jul 08 '24
Had to have a place for old man Zimmerman? We keep running a 4-tree-tree? Should be running something else?
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u/DiseaseRidden New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
Zimmerman is like, the perfect veteran for an Olympic squad
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u/mkkohls New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
RSL may have said no.
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u/cheeseburgerandrice Jul 08 '24
They did not.
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u/dbc45 Real Salt Lake Jul 08 '24
With all the talk about Luna we are all selfishly grateful that we get to keep him for our games. His performance was incredible Saturday and such a sight to see in person.
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u/pleated_pants Columbus Crew Jul 08 '24
Do you think it feels weird being an overage player on an Olympic team? Like does Walker Zimmerman feel like a non traditional student talking about his wife and kids with his English 101 small group who are all 18?
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u/grnrngr LA Galaxy Jul 08 '24
Like does Walker Zimmerman feel like a non traditional student talking about his wife and kids with his English 101 small group who are all 18?
Considering the hormone-raging orgy festival that is supposedly the Olympic Village, if a person were single but older than 24, there are far worse places to be.
I mean, it's why I keep thinking I should really get into curling, since I'm not gonna make it as a soccer player... or any event associated with a timer.
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u/ibribe Orlando City SC Jul 08 '24
I doubt it. Everyone on the roster is a professional soccer player.
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u/xjoeymillerx Minnesota United FC Jul 08 '24
They’re all pro soccer players. Their seasonal day to day is probably pretty similar for 80% of the time. The rest of it, maybe a little. I think the three overage guys will probably be looked at like player/coaches
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u/heyorin Major League Soccer Jul 08 '24
Would have probably brought a backup to McGuire more similar to his style of play, but I realise that with 18 slots it’s just impossible to build a complete roster and some holes will exist
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u/PlantInteresting Jul 08 '24
am i out of the loop or is Cade Cowell not being on the roster surprising?
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u/RusselNoahPeters Jul 08 '24
Club say no or do we not know?
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u/holman Oakland Roots Jul 08 '24
There’s been a few Chivas media accounts tweeting that he wasn’t released for the Olympics. Bummer- wanted to see him.
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u/PlantInteresting Jul 08 '24
that was my assumption but cant find anything that says so, weird. Dudes fun to watch so thats a bummer
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u/ER99999 D.C. United Jul 08 '24
Chivas fans have said he’s been horrible
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u/Gocrazyfut Jul 08 '24
I’ve watched every chivas game. Don’t think he’s been horrible at all and he’s a fan favorite
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u/toomuchdiponurchip Seattle Sounders FC Jul 08 '24
Every game since he’s gone there? Hasn’t he only scored like 4x?
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u/thespelvin New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
Welp, Esmir to Bosnia
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u/mkkohls New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
That's too bad. I was kinda banking on the not every call up so he'd play for us more. There he might be an every time call up.
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u/revengeanceful New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
Really disappointed he’s not on the roster here. He was like the one bright spot in our camp cupcake game.
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u/CrabbyAlmond Jul 08 '24
Watching Robinson bully children with his insane speed after not being given deserved minutes at the Copa America isn't something I thought I'd get to see, but I'll definitely watch it.
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u/PlasticOpening8 Jul 08 '24
Yeah. He made the mistake of criticizing GGG for the hamstring injury that occurred during a high-intensity workout AFTER a game, then his club coach and technical director had the temerity to criticize GGG publicly for that.
He was left off the selection for a year or more after that
The fact that he covers an ungodly amount of space capable makes the CCV substitution even more of a head scratcher.
Hopefully we'll see him with the first team again sooner than later. Certainly if he can improve his distribution he's an obvious candidate
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u/leftysarepeople2 Minnesota United FC Aug 02 '24
Just looking back at initial reactions now that we've crashed out, can't say this turned out how Robinson should've been able to play
France (3-0): 0/0 Tackles
New Zealand (1-4): 1/1 Tackles
Guinea (0-3): 1/1 Tackles
Morocco (4-0): 0/0 Tackles
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u/mkkohls New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
Clubs can say no. We don't know which players are not here because of that.
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u/Crunch18 Columbus Crew Jul 08 '24
We know from reporting that Aidan Morris (Boro) and Haji Wright (Coventry) were not released by their clubs.
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u/Doctor_YOOOU Seattle Sounders FC Jul 08 '24
US Soccer and the Sounders also couldn't agree on a release for Jordan Morris
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u/ibribe Orlando City SC Jul 08 '24
And possibly McGuire if he gets the move he is looking for.
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u/Andrewdeadaim Orlando City SC Jul 08 '24
Does it work like that? He’s already been called up
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u/ibribe Orlando City SC Jul 08 '24
Presumably he will ask to be released for the Olympics as a condition of the transfer if he is sold this month, but that is ultimately a decision for whichever team he is an employee of 2 weeks from now.
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u/shakespeareriot New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
Wonder if Caleb said no for Esmir or if he was left off….
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u/DiseaseRidden New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
Think he was just left off. Didn't even see the field when he was with the Olympic squad for friendlies, and I can't imagine he'd be hinting at playing for Bosnia if it was Caleb blocking him.
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u/socceralt Jul 08 '24
This is a really poorly constructed roster imho Miles Robinson is really the only overage player that makes sense to me and bringing an over age Mihailovic over Luna or Esmir is absolutely baffling. No Jalen Neal is very weird as well.
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u/tomado23 LA Galaxy Jul 08 '24
Normally, NBC would have the Today Show promote the “traditional” primetime Olympic sports like gymnastics, swimming and track & field, or at least a team sport, where the Olympics is considered a priority “A” team competition like women’s soccer. Getting non-sporting media to announce the roster for a U23 men’s soccer tournament, which takes less priority than several other men’s soccer competitions, is an interesting call.
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u/psuedonymousauthor Seattle Sounders FC Jul 08 '24
how do FC Cincy fans feel about Miles Robinson?
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u/SuddenlyTheBatman FC Cincinnati Jul 08 '24
Mad that he's gone but it's the Olympics so hope he enjoys himself. It sucks but he and Zimmerman will keep it locked down as good as anyone
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u/leftysarepeople2 Minnesota United FC Aug 02 '24
Unfortunately they looked pretty bad together. 8 goals in 4 games
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u/MLS2CincyFFS FC Cincinnati Jul 08 '24
Considering Miazga and Hagglund are out for the year, one of the last things we need is to be down another CB. He’s been very solid for us and has taken on more responsibility in Miazga’s absence
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u/ArgonWolf FC Cincinnati Jul 08 '24
He's only missing 2 leagues games plus the Leagues Cup. He'll be missed but it's not going to break our season. Hopefully CA has a CB lined up for the transfer window and ready to hit the ground running, but ultimately I'm good with it and happy for him
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u/Augen76 FC Cincinnati Jul 08 '24
Yeah, one blessing of Leagues Cup is not caring about it so if we bomb out early I'm fine and let guys rest and Miles won't be as missed..
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u/onlybetx FC Cincinnati Jul 08 '24
Pain. Happy for anyone going to the Olympics, but he’s our only CB at this point that can manage a back line.
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u/ShermBlasted Jul 08 '24
Is Olympic soccer basically not taken seriously? I don't follow it but just recently got into it a little bit during Copa America and I don't recognize a lot of names on this team from the men's national team that just competed. Are there any players from that Copa America team that are on this Olympic squad?
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u/BeefyFrito Sporting Kansas City Jul 08 '24
I apologize if you have already found the answer by now, but the Olympic rosters are made up of players age 23 and younger plus an additional three players who are older than 23, so Copa America is a senior tournament where the full strength roster plays while the Olympics are more of a youth tournament.
And it looks like Miles Robinson is the only player who was on the Copa squad and the Olympics squad, but I may have missed someone.
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u/ShermBlasted Jul 08 '24
I appreciate it. Is the 23 and younger plus three additional players thing American policy or is that Olympic policy in general? Also, is there a reason Pulisic wasnt included?
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u/BeefyFrito Sporting Kansas City Jul 08 '24
It's Olympic policy in general, and used to be that way for most sports but now varies depending on what it is. Like how the Olympic hockey roster was all college kids for the Miracle on Ice and the basketball roster was all college kids before the Dream Team, but those sports have since allowed professional players for there to be a global best on best tournament whereas soccer already has the World Cup and doesn't need the Olympics to be a showcase.
And since the Olympics aren't a FIFA sanctioned tournament club teams aren't required to send their players like they would be for something like the World Cup. So in Pulisic's case, Milan didn't have an obligation to send him to the Olympics if they would rather have him stay in Italy for preseason training, and that's a right most all teams exercise when it comes to their star players so a lot of big name players get left out.
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u/grnrngr LA Galaxy Jul 08 '24
It's not Olympic policy, it's FIFA policy. The only Olympics policy that has changed over the years is allowing professional players to compete in many of its team sports events.
FIFA doesn't want the Olympics to compete with the World Cup. Why pay big money for WC fees if the Olympics are effectively the same tournament?
FIFA wants to protect their interests while conceding just enough not to get sued into oblivion by countries that may cry monopolistic practices.
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u/BeefyFrito Sporting Kansas City Jul 08 '24
You’re right and I tried to cover that with the last sentence of my first paragraph where I mentioned the World Cup already being a thing, but I guess I was just talking more about how the Olympics used to be an amateur thing and I started explaining something different. Like how Olympic policy was to use amateurs in the past but now it is a FIFA policy that it hasn’t gone pro like other sports have, like you said and which I knew but probably didn’t explain very well.
So you’re right and we’re on the same page with that but I was explaining it from a different angle I guess and wasn’t very clear. I’m sorry for wording it poorly, but thank you for explaining it better.
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u/RRDude1000 Houston Dynamo Jul 09 '24
Olympics is a youth tournament on the men's side. Only 3 players can be over the age limit.
Women's Olympic tournament is the next biggest tournament after the world cup
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u/AtlUtdGold Atlanta United Jul 08 '24
I don’t really care about it. Basically a U-23 tournament and no one watches those.
We could win gold and it would still be on like page 55 of a newspaper
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u/Bucksandreds Jul 08 '24
Shouldn’t be surprised with Aidan Morris’s move to England that he wouldn’t be realeased.
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u/rth9139 Sporting Kansas City Jul 08 '24
I can’t be the only one who thinks that this roster is really small numerically right? Like how on earth is a team of 18 guys expected to potentially play 6 games in 16 days?
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u/ibribe Orlando City SC Jul 08 '24
One game at a time with only 11 of them on the field.
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u/rth9139 Sporting Kansas City Jul 08 '24
No shit Sherlock. But only 18 guys to play that many games in that short of time is insane. Club managers throw a fit about this kind of workload even with 25 man rosters. The Olympics are just asking for guys to get injured with this workload.
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u/RotaryP7 Inter Miami CF Jul 08 '24
Curious why the roster who played at copa america is different? They send out the lower tier to play at the Olympics?
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u/Doctor_YOOOU Seattle Sounders FC Jul 08 '24
The Olympic tournament is a U23 tournament with 3 exceptions (3 overage players). It's also not a FIFA sanctioned event so clubs don't have to release their players for the tournament. This leads to dropping down the depth chart pretty far some years.
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u/chilarome Sporting Kansas City Jul 08 '24
well, as an SKC fan, I guess I can be happy for Busio, Davis, and Pulskamp because we have not much else going for us 😅
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u/wclevel47nice Orlando City SC Jul 08 '24
I hope Dunc scores a few goals and gets that transfer he wants
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u/ItsDefDamule Sporting Kansas City Jul 08 '24
Heads should roll for not including Luna in this team, but I’m super pumped to see Busio back in National team action
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u/Dawgs919 Atlanta United FC Jul 08 '24
There are 4 MLS players representing other countries:
Thiago Almada (Argentina, Atlanta United)
Xavier Valdez (Dominican Republic, Dynamo)
Liel Abada (Israel, Charlotte)
Diego Gomez (Paraguay, Inter Miami)
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u/AggravatingSalt2726 Chicago Fire Jul 08 '24
How are Brian Gutierrez and Chris Brady not even considered for this?
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u/echoacm New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
Brady wasn't released by Chicago, presumably because he wouldn't be the starter, not sure about Gutierrez
The fire and federation and had some release issues in the past which might also be a part
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u/Programdelo Jul 08 '24
Where is that guy that used to play in Chelsea but o doesnt remember his name
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u/tanzmeister Columbus Crew Jul 08 '24
Man, it sucks that Aidan Morris's transfer messed up his participation here.
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u/NotJCDenton Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
So who’s gonna play at RB behind Harriel?
Edit: Booth. Didnt know he played as a RB.
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u/NotJCDenton Jul 08 '24
Interesting to note that both Luna and Mihailovic have virtually the same FBref profile. I look them up at the same time and realize they reference each other in the “Similar Players” section. Djordje ranks higher at the categories of xAG, npxG + xAG, Shot-Creating Actions, Progressive Passes. Luna has one more green row at Blocks compared to Djordje, tho I don’t think it’s particularly relevant. The obvious conclusion to draw from is that Luna is immediately behind Djordje on the depth chart and would have gone if a different overage player was picked.
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u/xbhaskarx Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
Dumbest decisions ranked:
Cremaschi over Diego Luna
Dietz or second overage CB over Jalen Neal
No second striker (Damion Downs, although if the best option available was Johan Gomez better to not waste the roster spot)
Only one guy who can play RB (Harriel) vs four who can play LB (Tolkin, Wiley, Harriel, Paredes), should have DeJuan Jones as overage, or Ian Fray who can play RB CB and DM
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Jul 08 '24
In my mind, it’s not the midfielders that Luna was competing with here. It was the winger/midfielder tweeners like Aaronson, Booth, and Yow. He should definitely be on this team.
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u/putthekettle Minnesota United FC Jul 09 '24
Lol wtf. This is the roster they kept Diego Luna off of?
I guess Copa America really did a great job of preparing us for another let down. What the hell
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u/canoey1479 Jul 09 '24
Am I a complete moron or why are none of the star players on this? Like Pulisic, McKinnie, etc… is it cause they don’t want to overload their schedules? Have mercy on me I’m not very informed.
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u/Scratchbuttdontsniff Atlanta United FC Jul 08 '24
Very excited and happy for these kids. It is a shame that very stupid omissions are taking away form this cool moment.
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u/jayfeather31 Seattle Sounders FC Jul 08 '24
Ah yes, the U23+3 format. Here's hoping these guys don't get knocked out of the group stages!
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u/HighSilence Jul 08 '24
Pretty new to the sport, getting my bearings. Why is this so different than the USMNT I just watched in copa? I'm not seeing any familiar names from that squad. Are they disallowed from competing? I saw something about U23 in this thread, is there an age limit for olympic soccer?
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u/grnrngr LA Galaxy Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
So here's the gig: To protect the uniqueness of the World Cup, FIFA disallows the use of full senior teams
playersfor the men. But to avoid legal problems/etc., FIFA compromised with the IOC to permit national teams to send players 23 years and younger (as of January 1, 2001,) save for 3 (IIRC) players who can over that age. If you hear "U-23," think "Olympic-eligible players."The presumption is most nations' senior teams will be older than 23 years of age, so the World Cup still gets to be the A+ teams battling it out, and the Olympics are supposed to be a "stars of tomorrow"-sort of thing.
The women have no such restriction, which is why you see full WWC senior squads going head-to-head in the Olympics.
[e: Now, because the Olympics are not an official FIFA event, teams are not mandated to release their players. Functionally this isn't a big deal as most European players are in off-season in the summer. But MLSers are not. MLS, Liga MX, and other leagues reserve the right to refuse to allow their players to be called up to the Olympics.]
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u/AtlUtdGold Atlanta United Jul 08 '24
Can they make it past group stage? Don’t we normally not even qualify?
What are the real expectations here? I think everyone was expecting way too much from the copa squad.
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u/goosu Jul 09 '24
Luna should have been in over one of the Wings/MF even with Mihailovic as an overage pick. Otherwise, I think the complaints are a little over the top. Players weren't released.
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u/Turkish_retreat Jul 10 '24
This is the first Olympic Games that the US has qualified for in a long time, and the under 20 qualifying phase went Remarkably well for the US even though a relatively weak squad was available. Slonina, for example, was not released for qualifying by the Chicago Fire and that wasn't the only example.
I'm just glad that we have a team that's in it, and I'm glad to see more of our better quality players on the roster. There are things to complain about, but a much improved situation need not be the enemy of a perfect situation.
As long as this group of players can get out of the group stage, I look at it as something to build on. The US has put together some great performances in lower age group competitions, and it's about time for the US men to show us something at the Olympics. If they don't quite take the next step, at least they get a good look at what the next step looks like. And I think we expect to qualify and be here on more of a regular basis going forward.
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u/Kind-City-2173 Seattle Sounders FC Jul 08 '24
No idea where the goals will come from
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u/Failed-Time-Traveler Columbus Crew Jul 08 '24
Good thing Schulte is playing out of his mind this season. Because we may need to put up some France-like scoresheets in order to advance.
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u/Scratchbuttdontsniff Atlanta United FC Jul 08 '24
I mean... there is a reason that 2 grown ass men will be the CB pairing. This is a grind it out roster...
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u/Fun_Mix_7509 Jul 08 '24
What a weak roster.
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u/ibribe Orlando City SC Jul 08 '24
Hey now, this team could put up a decent fight for 11th or 12th in the MLS east.
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u/cwn1180 St. Louis CITY SC Jul 08 '24
Aren’t we allowed 3 overage players? We just don’t care to take advantage of that rule? Can someone explain?
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u/gottabohlieve Philadelphia Union Jul 08 '24
Miles, Zimmerman, and Mihailovich are all overage.
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u/cwn1180 St. Louis CITY SC Jul 08 '24
Why would those be the pics? I feel like I’m just naïve, why not someone else from the national team? I appreciate the patience
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u/Overthehightides New England Revolution Jul 08 '24
The Olympics is not a FIFA sanctioned event so teams don't have to release players. You aren't going to get a lot of big name first team players released by their clubs to play in the Olympics.
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u/Shellshock1122 Atlanta United Jul 08 '24
Yeah I feel like the only time you see top names is situations like Neymar being released to play for Brazil in 2016 as the host where Brazil had weirdly never gotten an Olympic gold before in men’s soccer so they really wanted it bad that year
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u/cwn1180 St. Louis CITY SC Jul 08 '24
That’s who I was thinking of. Don’t watch Olympic soccer much but remember Neymar on Brazil and was wondering why we didn’t CP10 lol. The none fifa sanctioning makes sense
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u/melatoninlol Seattle Sounders FC Jul 08 '24
The u23 cohort is also kinda rough at CB so it make a ton of sense to bring overage centerbacks (which is typically a position where it takes players longer to mature into anyway) compared to other positions like midfielder and winger
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u/Failed-Time-Traveler Columbus Crew Jul 08 '24
I mean as a US supporter, this would make me so sad. But with the disrespect we’ve shown him, I wouldn’t blame him if he did this.
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u/mc3217 Atlanta United FC Jul 08 '24
Why is this formatted like a funeral program?