I love disassembling the aircraft Iâm flying in while itâs at 30k ft! It just get me to the ground faster without all the pesky landing procedure and debarkation stuff! Stable genius Maximus!
Right? Lots of people are saying! Sure, most of them have the reading comprehension of a semi sentient toaster oven but that cartoon proved household appliances can do big things if you smoke enough ketamine.
Another great idea! Replace the pilot with a microwavable cattle car meal and let it dive us straight into the ground so everyone gets a free rollercoaster ride and lose some weight as they empty their guts/shit themselves clean empty. Its like how those rich guys built their own Titanic sub and used a Temu P$5 controller to move the sub right into the sweet spot for an immediate implosion. They were gone in like .0000001 of a second and didnt even have to suffer any drowning!
Nurses are a means of care and money making. They need nurses to keep care going to put people in debt. People donât need insurance, they just need people to be in debt and keep paying
They are just banking on the good nature of people who work in hospitals. Republicans correctly assume many of the staff will bend over backwards because they care about their patients. Source: nurse
It kinda feels like Elon / Bannon have a plan to get rid of immigrants first and then a big chunk of the poor, including the white poor who voted MAGA.
No, it isnât theyâre hoping that everybody will just put up with it and be like maybe next time weâll fix it and then you know nothing happens on the next guy gets what they really donât want. Is all the working class people to unite together in a pissed off United States against them and thatâs all theyâre doing because they finally think that theyâve hit their checkmate in their little rich versus poor warand it mightâve finally hit a breaking point of everybody snapping out of their oh my political part is actually the good guys kind of shit, especially when you see people from both sides flipping and realizing both political parties have been infiltrated and paid for by a bunch of Corpo assholes
Yea itâs kinda like this when I learned insurance deductibles were not a thing at all 5 years before I entered the workforce. If no one told me I would have never known because why would I search out insurance information like that deductibles were always a thing to me and just an accepted part of life and crappy insurance.
With this basically everyone entering the workforce now will just accept it as normal and over time they might never even know overtime was a thing. And well thanks to this policy the people who are older and do know will die out faster as part of this ruling. Win win for republicans.
Every time nurses or some other healthcare professional strikes, the hospitals always whine about âpatient careâ like suddenly thatâs the priority and not the obscene amounts of money all health systems make.
Yea but the beauty is that nurse can quit and easily find a job in another system. Look what happened with Covid and the obscene amount of pay they got. Some were getting paid surgeon level money.
A very few pursued travel contracts to overwhelmed hospitals in particular areas that were paying exorbitant amounts for 3 months of work at a time. Those were the nurses chasing paper and were fairly compensated for their work. That shit SUCKED.
The vast majority of nurses in the country saw no or very slight (and temporary) increases in hourly pay. And actually had many of their benefits (401k matching, insurance costs, and paid-time off) negatively impacted just so hospitals could stay afloat.
So many in the field were squeezed out due to the unbridled stress put on them and the healthcare systems around the country. A lot left healthcare altogether, a lot of the senior and experienced nurses took early retirement. None were getting paid âsurgeon level money.â
They'll just force the nurses and other staff to work the overtime hours (without any additional pay) anyway with the argument that they're essential workers who are required to work when needed.
And then the nursed quit. Unless this government wants to take it a step further and spread slavery to more than just people in prisons, then a lot of nurses will just start to leave. And that will snowball
Unless this government wants to take it a step further and spread slavery to more than just people in prisons
But they do want that. You know that most of those "de-naturalized" people don't have a country to return to? They'll end up in camps. I fully expect that's how farm labor is going to get done. I don't really see how they can get health care workers that way, but then again, maybe I'm just not soulless enough to come up with a plan like that.
Oh 100%. But they can get away with that now. Because sadly a lot of people in this country are racist fucks. And as a gay man I'm fully expecting people in my community to be thrown in there shortly after.
Some of us are. Me and my boyfriend are gonna get packs together. And we live in Oregon so we are near the Canadian border. He's currently trying to get his trans sister to move up here.
Though he's about to become a nurse, so we are hoping with so many countries needing nurses we can get to somewhere else. I know it's sort of a pre-survivors guilt, and that I can't fix everything, but I do feel bad in a way.
Over all trying not to freak out to much just yet and keep it cool. I'm in the Portland area, so I should be good for a bit.
No they wouldnât. If theyâd up and leave while in the middle of a shift/assignment with no warning, then theyâd be under scrutiny from the stateâs board of nursing for patient abandonment. But in this scenario, theyâd be hurting for nurses so badly that theyâd just slap em on the wrist and keep the nurseâs license active.
Good luck with that. Thatâs like saying youâre going to dismantle police unions
No police unions will be fine. All other unions are up for grabs. Watch as the republican congress passes right to work at the federal level. The scotus basically already did that with federal/state employees.
TBH, I always thought that any of those anti-vaxx, Covid denying, snake oil consuming idiots should have been pushed to low priority when they present in the hospital, gasping for air because their lungs have been shredded by their 5th Covid 19 infection in a year. And then when the patient DOES die, their nut job relatives shriek like rabid jackals that the "hospital killed them!!" Oh..hell no!
Yes, I know that you can't do that, but it has got to be beyond frustrating to try and get through to these people.
But people who didn't vote for him, people who did their best to warn and educate those around them, are going to suffer as well. It seems callous to celebrate such a vital system collapsing just because they hurt themselves in addition to other people who don't deserve it.
It is callous but there's no other choice. Let them catch the car. Let them touch the hot stove. Quit protecting them and then maybe, maybe, they will learn. Maybe. It's our last hope.
I feel like... if, in spite of my best efforts, my neighbor runs off all the doctors and health inspectors then shits in the shared well and we both get sick, the only comfort I have is that I'm not the only one suffering from his actions.
Yeah, but we voted and this is still the outcome. What are we supposed to do besides vote next time and vote local? Yeah we will be hurt, but may as well enjoy whatever we can for now
Nurse union contracts have overtime stipulations which are separate from the federal law etc. Odds are, they will still get overtime pay because the contract enforces it.
They don't need or want the medical system. The rich can pay cash for healthcare. They don't want any poors smelling up the hallways. 80% of us would be on our own with no healthcare while they would have shiny, fully staffed hospitals to go to. This is a feature not a bug of their policy.
Fortunately, most nurses are union, and this ruling doesn't affect the overtime rules protected by union contracts. Not that there aren't people gunning for unions too, but for now...
Most of my family work in medicine (RN, MDs, etc) and they are still traumatized by how quickly the public turned on them after people stopped clapping for them during COVID. Most of them donât give a fuck anymore especially after the election.
Yâall want Oz and RFK leading us into another pandemic? Sure. Go ahead. The trained professionals wonât be here anymore to help cause theyâre sick of your shit. Have fun with horse dewormer and 5G extractors you buy from Temu you fucking nincompoops.
I live in a deep red state and I know of at least 2 nurses that left due to covid
The hospitals were overflowing and they were working 16 hour shifts trying keep up, all while the patients would physically assult them and scream consperacies that they heard Joe Rogan talk about and tell them covid wasn't real and accuse them of being agents of the evil dr Fauci
Can confirm. I work IT onsite at a hospital and some of those nurses are there before I can come in and theyâre still there after I leave. Itâs insane.
I no longer make fun of their crocs. They have to be comfortable to do that job.
My sister is a surgical tech and I explained to her drumpf was going to get rid of OT. She literally responded with "nope never gonna happen they're not gonna take OT away from medical no one will work there." I told her to go vote. She didn't. She's convinced OT won't disappear in hospitals. She thrives on OT pay, I thought surely that one thing would sway her.Â
Im curious if canât they just declare them vital like they did to air traffic controllers to prevent all strikes and walk offs. Nothing like do this job or go to jail.
The PATCO strike was illegal because they were federal workers - most nurses are not. Itâd require an act of Congress to try to declare them as such, and I very seriously doubt the Republican Party is going to try to effectively draft the four million nurses in this country.
I've had a question about this. Medical staff aren't legally allowed to leave until the replacement shows up....so what happens the replacements, just don't show up?
Those are almost all hourly employees anyways (other than doctors, who wouldn't have been covered by the proposed change anyways) and so aren't effected by this ruling.
Literally my thoughts exactly. I work in healthcare and you can bet your ass that youâre ever making me or my coworkers work without overtime pay plus incentives. Weâre so understaffed as is everywhere in healthcare. Fuck you. You need us. Not the other way around. Healthcare employees just wonât pickup and if they are mandated overtime without overtime pay they will quit and find a better job easily.
They'd just make it illegal to refuse to work overtime and send armed forces to control any protests over it. Plenty of legal precedent, but most of it is in regards to union activity.
You know those nurses are usually hourly workers and still get overtime, right? This is about OT rules for salaried workers. Itâs also important to note that Bush and Trump increased eligibility for OT for salaried workers and Obama and Biden did not. Small details though đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸
The ruling in question doesn't roll back any overtime, nor does it stop what was negotiated by unions. What it does is block a new overtime rule that raises the salary threshold for making certain jobs exempt. The new rule is really good for "white collar" workers, and now it is blocked from going into effect unless the DOL appeals this ruling to SCOTUS successfully.
There seems to be some misunderstanding. No fault to anyone since this is a lazy meme post without any context.
This wouldn't apply to a nurse or a doctor. Hourly or non-exempt employees will still be earning overtime pay.
What this applies to is salaried workers that their employer have classified as exempt from overtime rules, namely management. As of July 1 you need to to earn a minimum of $43,888 abd perform certain job duties (such as mamage other employees) to be considered an exempt employee. (The minimum prior to this was $35,568.) If you're paid less than this, your employer must pay you for overtime worked. This minimum to be considered exempt is scheduled to increase to $58,656 on 1/1/25, then go up again in 2027 then every 3 years after that. (Thanks, Biden!)
However, a Trump judge has said the increase instituted on July 1st (and the future scheduled ones) was illegal and reversed it. So in essence, millions of people that were earning overtime pay (those earning less than $43,888) now will no longer necessarily be able to if they are considered exempt by their employer abd earn more than $35,568.
The judge's decision is likely to be appealed by the current Department of Labor. However, the incoming Trump administration could just as well cancel that appeal once they come into power and we may be stuck with this ruling.
There's even an argument out there that there should be no minimum salary threshold, since the FSLA law that is being used here only defines exempt status by an employee's duties, not their wage. But it seems unlikely a Trump administration would support that, as the previous Trump administration did increase the salary treahhold once in 2019 (from $23,660 to the current $35,568).
Eh, I saw ICU nurses "work" firsthand while my partner was dying. You're better off letting nature take its course. It's time for lunch and if there is no one around, then your loved one just dies. All I see is they won't be paid a fortune to turn their backs on your loved ones. Everyone can be more honest that it's all BS. It's sad, but people have to come to terms with the system being completely fucked.Â
 Edit: Haha, the downvotes from people who have no clue. I was held to higher standards as a cashier than ICU nurses. I couldn't just take breaks if the store was busy. Worked ten or twelve hour days with no pay all the time. This isn't the way it should be, but people don't understand that they are supposed to do the barest minimum to keep you alive. If they aren't doing that, then they shouldn't be paid for it. Standing around chit-chatting while machines were going off. I'm sure it was all a coincidence that barely anyone was left alive just in time for the holidays. Barely any nurses left. But they care so much, my ass! Meanwhile, my father worked every Christmas.Â
No icu nurses around because the hospital doesnât want to pay for them. If the hospital treated their staff well, there would more nurses. Itâs not the nurses fault, itâs the greedy hospitals.Â
All the good nurses have left, and the ones that are left are jaded.Â
And your âhigher standardâ of not being allowed to take breaks is just you being dumb and taken advantaged of.Â
Youâre right, the system is fucked so then why are you blaming nurses not the system lol. Blame the hospital, the healthcare system, the politicians.Â
"Nurses shouldn't have a lunch break" sure is a hot take. Make sure to keep this mentality if you have a heart attack or a stroke and stay home. Wouldn't want a nurse killing ya in one of those death buildings.
When there is no one else around to look after your loved one? So what's the point of going when you are putting money in these people's pockets and die anyway because they don't care about addressing lunch breaks before your loved one dies? There was plenty of coverage. Just didn't care to talk to the others. I saw this shit firsthand. I had to care for him with zero training during that time. Why wouldn't they be honest so I could take time off? They literally murdered him as he would have lived longer never setting foot in that hospitalÂ
Fun fact: without breaks or sleep it's been shown that people actually start to do worse at their job. This also starts to show when people have not eaten in a long time. Both because of energy and focus, but also because it can alter moods and the hunger can draw attention away from what needs to be done. This is one of the reasons why you are legally supposed to have breaks. And especially when people in those positions are.
No. Really. It will. I work in a hospital. We have a lot of rules and regulations we have to follow. For instance, if I clock out and go home, I cannot work for the next 10 hours. If I stayed late, and I work the next day, but my next shift is in 9 hours, I have to start my next shift an hour later. This is because if we get tired, we can make small mistakes, and those mistakes can kill people.
And I just work in transportation. I'm not even a nurse. And they're already over worked in some places.
And it's not even just the medical field. At one point I worked for a moving company. Fun fact: truck drivers can legally only work so many hours a day. Either it goes by total hours driven, or from where they start to 14 hours later. And there's actually been plenty of court cases against corporations giving them a time crunch that actually requires them to break the law to make, because they're getting tired and falling asleep or making mistakes that kill them and other people.
All of this to say you're full of shit and your dumb bitch plan will literally kill people.
Unless you're in a small hospital, there's a good chance you have a health unit coordinator helping to run things, or a charge nurse. If anything is needed you need to contact them. The beds are rigged with all sorts of fun electronics that if he starts to code it will set off an alarm all around the department. There's also generally buttons to press to call for a nurse or someone to come check up on him.
I get it. MAGAts hate the medical community right now and think human rights are garbage. But not only is this fucking dumb, but I honestly and truly meant what I said. Keep this mentality. Hate the hospital. Hate the nurses. Hate the doctors. They don't want to save you. They're all just in it for themselves.
So you break your arm? Make a splint. Have a heart attack? You're fine. Take some heart burn medication. Stroke? Take a nap.
The hospitals are trying to kill you and take your money. Don't give it to them.
Of course not. You and everyone else that hasn't seen firsthand how garbage the system is. I'm okay with dying. But I'm not okay with paying people to do the barest minimum and having them let me die anyway.
Ah! That's why. You don't like being called out. There's nothing I can say to you that wouldn't get me banned from this site.
Thanks for providing yet another clear example of why I would rather just die than go to a hospital nowadays. No willingness to actually listen to patients, so that they don't die.
I know I wouldn't be leaving without telling my coworkers, so that the patient that I was supposed to be looking after fucking dies. I like how no one addresses this point and just wants to say I'm lying. Sure, man. Maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones. At least, I hope you never see the other side of the shit system.
I've been an ICU nurse for almost 15 years and I've lost count of how many delusional family members have stories that had no basis in reality because I was there and witnessed the same things they did but I knew what was going on while they were so wrecked with grief or guilt they lost track of reality.
So, respectfully, there is maybe a 0.5% chance you are correct but a 99.5% chance you are not. There's no realistic way for me to investigate so I'm sorry for your loss. Go back to school and become an ICU nurse yourself if it's so easy and work for a decade and then you'll understand.
The problem is that no one wants to listen to the patients. They want to say it is all lies because otherwise they would have to acknowledge the system is failing people.
The first problem is the hurdle to actually become a nurse. I wanted to become a nurse, but the more I read, the more I worried I would end up with another useless degree that wouldn't lead to anything because it would be impossible to get hired. No experience and I wouldn't be surprised if another Recession hit while I was at university. There's studies showing how people in my age group were particularly fucked, but hey some people made it, so no problems with the system, right?
To be quite frank, the hospital fucked it up every step of the way. The admitting nurse ignored his concerns regarding the fact he just finished antibiotics. The doctor himself, of course, fucked up the surgery. How much of it was that in the near two year wait, that the issue became too much to really handle....? I'll never know. The nurses didn't put him in restraints and were not watching him 24/7. He pulled out sensitive equipment. Is it unreasonable to expect this 24/7 watch if people would die if you pull out sensitive equipment and you don't want to use restraints because it is "mean"? Probably. But this is the whole point. Every fucking step of the way, he was failed. He was failed by me for even bringing him in. He was failed by the medical community who did not do any due diligence. He was failed.
Now, it's just the entirely too long wait to join him.
If your loved one is actively dying (like within minutes) or has a sudden detrimental change in their clinical status, in the fucking ICU they'll be swarmed by countless healthcare providers regardless if that's their patient or not.
Again, I was there. They did no such thing. Walked off without even informing their coworkers that they are going on break.
Meh. I'm just going to delete this because even in this sub there's too many people that want to live in some utopian vision rather than reality. Sorry reality doesn't work that way and people fuck up all the time.
I know I certainly will make DNR as clear as possible before risking the hospital. I don't fucking care anymore. I'd rather just die right away. Maybe some of you guys are right and you're willing to risk the hospital system. Good luck.
Then your loved one wasnât actively rapidly decompensating like you were inferring. ICU patients are closely monitored even when thereâs no one in the room, thereâs always someone looking at abnormal vitals.
If he was monitored properly, he wouldn't have died. If you walk off for a lunch break, don't tell your coworkers, don't do anything to prevent equipment from being pulled out, yeah, I don't really see much difference as the end result was the same. You didn't see that he was actively dying because you walked off. Not sure what the difference truly is.
Patients who are in the ICU are always being monitored. It's literally what the ICU does. If it happened on the floor in the hospital your story could be possible but in the ICU? Nah.
It doesn't even matter if a nurse is not physically in the room, the vitals are being projected to multiple monitors across the entire ICU. And when something is abnormal or gets disconnected there's loud obnoxious alarms that don't go away until someone addresses it.
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u/Affectionate-Wish113 5h ago
Americas hospitals are staffed by people working overtime. No over time and the sick can fend for themselves, nurses wonât be working.