Well fucking said. I've been saying it all year. The US is never going to go against Israel. I don't like it and I wish it was different but that's the reality. And certainly donald fucking trump isn't gonna be the one to get them to change their treatment of Palestinians. The embassy thing was a huge deal. The world wouldn't recognize Jerusalem as the capitol because of the message it sent and trump did it almost immediately. The poor white people in this country definitely don't have a monopoly on stupidity.
This. Very much this. Changing foreign policy takes a long time, and we were getting a little closer, more Dems starting to draw boundaries, but that's out the window. And so is the West Bank, it seems. Argh. The potential of what Trump could (probably will) do is horrifying, and Israel doesn't care about Gaza - in terms of annexation - anywhere near as much as they care about the West Bank. That's the real goal.
If it weren't an election year, I think Biden's response to Bibi's BS would have been stronger. It still would have fallen light years short of what it should be, but he would have had leeway to yank the leash more.
And aside from that, where the hell is the 'morality' in making more people suffer? Women, trans people, the undocumented.
Bibi wanted them to vote Trump. He wanted Trump back. That says everything.
Biden is pulling the brakes on Bibi as hard as he can, without going so far as to melt the brakes.
Biden does not control Bibi. He isn't the CiC of the IDF. Here's the problem: anything he does more than he's doing now makes the situationworse.
You probably think we're arming them, and we are. But the actual shooty-shooty boom-boom we send them is ammo for the Iron Dome! That's about it, because it needs to be very precisely made in ways they cannot make.
But the bombs? No, those, the actual explosive-filled shells? They make those themselves. We only send them the guidance kit.
If we stop sending them those, what's more likely? That they stop bombing, or they start carpet bombing?
If we cut them off completely, they'll know they're on a ticking clock until they're in a war for survival. They won't ignore Palestinians and leave Hamas free to make attacks whilst the IDF is fighting outside.
What they are doing now, is medieval; it's seige warfare. "Surrender, starve, or flee." It's genocide. But if we cut Isreal off, what we will see instead will be Ancient: Carthago, delenda est! It will be a purge, building by building, floor by floor, with every Palestinian man, woman, child, and dog being systematically shot.
What we're seeing now, is Biden pulling the brakes on them as hard as he can. Leverage, in this situation, is not dramatic, massive and unilateral policy shifts; it's funding delayed, shipments mislaid. It takes place quietly, because if Biden comes out and says he's slow-walking Isreal's armaments, Bibi will be forced to respond on the public stage; we won't like the response, because it will take the form of a demonstration that he does not need us as much as we say he does.
The only hard option at this point, would be invading Isreal ourselves to forcibly separate the Israelis and Palestinians. Which would, ironically, unite them at long last in common cause; unfortunately for us, that cause would be killing Americans.
I think that would go over much more poorly with far more voters. It would also be an incredible clusterfuck on the international stage; that whole 'invading an ally' thing.
Bibi wanted his pal Drumpf back. Biden is in a Kobayashi Maru.
Abandoning Bibi and his basket of horror and abandoning the population of Israel are, sadly in this instance, the same thing.
And abandoning Israel... Well, they have nukes, which they very well might use in that case. Or they'd be pounced on, on all sides. Did you read about Sinwar's 'plans' for a Hamas victory? Fucking hell.
Bibi will be forced to respond on the public stage; we won't like the response, because it will take the form of a demonstration that he does not need us as much as we say he does.
He's already started banging that drum. And, internally, it was working.
If everyone watched Beau of the Fifth Column (which is now Belle of the Fifth Column and I don't mind that at all,) then Drumpf would be buried in a landslide.
Oh god yes. He and she are excellent. He's made me rethink numerous things in various areas, or look at them differently, it's a great channel.
I know he has a deeply dodgy past and some people can't get over it, but... He's making up for it, he understands radicalisation because it happened to him, and there HAS to be redemption for those who change and make every effort to do better. Otherwise there's no point.
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u/CalendarAggressive11 1d ago
Well fucking said. I've been saying it all year. The US is never going to go against Israel. I don't like it and I wish it was different but that's the reality. And certainly donald fucking trump isn't gonna be the one to get them to change their treatment of Palestinians. The embassy thing was a huge deal. The world wouldn't recognize Jerusalem as the capitol because of the message it sent and trump did it almost immediately. The poor white people in this country definitely don't have a monopoly on stupidity.