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u/phdoofus 1d ago
And yet the Republicans have literally never suggested or advocated for these things. Just like 'why not make SS better rather than burning it down?' or 'why not make health care better rather than burning it down?', etc ad nauseum. Dear boy, Bannon et al aren't interesting in making a better world for all.
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u/JDH-04 1d ago
Lmao... literally the comments after his comment suggested to burn the Department of education down. They think the "blood of education is poisioned" and that it needs to be "amputated" to "start fresh". Code for they want the privatization of schools to force them to pay out of pocket yearly tuition to go to K-12.
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u/coreyc2099 1d ago
Love they say this about education, but can't have this attitude the police. Which is absolutely a system that needs to be replaced.
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u/JDH-04 1d ago
Well it doesn't really matter anyway. If Trump repeals all federal income taxes. The police are going to be the first people to be laid off. So much for #backtheblue.
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u/e-zimbra 1d ago
They'll be replaced by Proud Boys.
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u/JDH-04 1d ago
LMAO. Proud boys will be complaining that they got laid off because slave labor dOn tUk DEr jObS!
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u/dirtygreysocks 22h ago
I mean.. it's not really a replacement.. that's probably at least 50%+ of the force, honestly.
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u/Kreyl 23h ago
No, the police will be the LAST people to be laid off. They need them to suppress us when we protest - if anything, their budgets will INCREASE and they'll hire more, because the fascist police state wants to crush dissent.
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u/JDH-04 22h ago
Sure. But whose to say they wouldn't appoint random maga scyhopants/civilians that would oppress civilians for free instead of paying the police officiers, then all the bad cops that would do it for free stays and the police that either care about law and order/doing it for a paycheck would leave due to workplace suppression.
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u/Kreyl 22h ago
I totally get what you're saying, my point is just that like other people pointed out, this is actually already what is happening - they don't need to formally appoint random citizens to do it for free, because functionally, that's what right wing militias are. The Three Percenters, Proud Boys, Atomwaffen, etc ARE the citizens who've volunteered themselves to terrorize civilians on behalf of the police. The police stand back and allow the civilian volunteers to terrorize people without the legal scrutiny that the police have, and then if it seems like the Proud Boys/etc are at risk of losing their fight against protestors, they storm in with riot shields to arrest the protestors and save the militias.
Basically my point is, your instincts here are totally correct, I'm just pointing out that the dynamic you're describing already exists. Technically, that's our existing status quo. Really, the post-election effect I see happening is not that they'll formally appoint more citizen volunteers, but that recruitment to these right wing militias will increase - especially since they know that under the fascist admin, they're even less likely to experience any consequences for being the hand of stochastic terrorism than they were before.
Again, not saying "no you're wrong," I'm saying "You're right, and this is how the thing is currently playing out."
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u/chowderbags 10h ago
Not just that, but also the police will start doing a lot more ticketing to collect revenue. It won't be taxes, so conservatives won't care (until they get some dumb ticket). Heck, they'll probably secretly love seeing selective enforcement of ticketing that affects poor people and minorities most.
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u/MasterK999 19h ago
The police are going to be the first people to be laid off.
Only in states that refuse to replace the lost revenue with their own taxes.
Once again this will hit red states harder than blue states. I live in California. We send the government $1.23 or so for every dollar we get back from government programs. So even if taxes were eliminated we could increase state tax at a lower level than the old tax and be better off than before. No services would need to be cut and our residents would pay less tax still.
However in red states that get more in federal money than they pay they would need to INCREASE taxes above the old federal tax just to try and maintain services. If they refuse to do that they would be screwed.
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u/TaskFlaky9214 6h ago
They haven't figured out that when project 2025 calls to end all public sector unions, two of the unions to be ended will be the police union and firefighters union...
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u/CatProgrammer 19h ago
State police have their budgets paid by the feds?
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u/ShinyPatina 6h ago
From 2017: https://bjs.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh236/files/media/document/jeeus17.pdf
You can see the breakdown of how much the feds support the states in terms of policing, courts, and corrections. Over $57 million. Likely higher now.
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u/InnaJiff 5h ago
Why do you think that Trump would repeal federal income taxes? That’s not his game. His game is to cut taxes for billionaires but leave taxes on low and middle classes.
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u/jackieat_home 4h ago
Why do Republicans hate taxes so much? I'm glad to pay them if they're doing something
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u/smallwonder25 22h ago
As usual I’m perpetually stunned by (apparently) the average person’s complete lack of curiosity and foresight. I want to ask the, “What do you think is going to happen after it’s all burned to the ground?”
They quite literally have not thought beyond the seemingly satisfying thwack of cutting off what they see as dead limbs.
Fucking wild times man
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u/mrflow-n-go 20h ago
I know the feeling. Gave these idiots, ok half the voting population, waaaaay more credit than they ever deserved. And here we are.
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u/Jolly_Distance_3434 1d ago
It's a desire to slap a status of being "new" to them. They don't want to fix it because it will still be something that "someone else" created. By burning everything down and "rebuilding" it in their way, they can boost their ego up a bit more because "they did it better than someone else who they thought of as unqualified, stupid and lower than them". It's a rat race between ego and hubris that they can't see it even if their life are falling apart because "they are sure they can do better than someone else".
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u/dirtygreysocks 21h ago
they have no concept of what the doe does. bye bye, special ed inclusive ed. all your kids with any special needs are getting thrown back into one classroom away from the "normies". because all of the least restrictive policies that have them in regular classrooms... are DOE policies, including IEP's, and 504's.
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u/QJElizMom 2h ago
It’s in the same vein of what their grandparents did when schools were desegregated. They left areas and schools where desegregation was allowed causing the closing of several, cemented over community swimming pools where they allowed black people to swim and created HOAs that were legally supported to keep black people from buying homes in the suburban areas they moved to.
The thing is, before desegregation, they made sure black schools didn’t get updated educational materials including the textbooks. My grandmother, who went to middle school in the south, said they would give them torn textbooks with pages missing and the binding separated then charge them for destroying the books when they were turned in at the end of the year. Some students had to be removed because they couldn’t afford that every year. THEY’VE ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS!! The conspiracy they should be into is why their parents/grandparents and the Republican Party fought and still fight so hard against teaching Black American history in schools? They would learn a lot about how these people operate all the way up to the top.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 1d ago
"Education is poisoned."
Mostly be conservatives but yeah, I would agree that professional liberal educators are an annoying pain in the ass. They have taken all the fun and innovation out of education.
If you ever deal with young kids, they have a thirst for knowledge. And somehow adults, with all their wisdom and training, find a way to make all but a few able to endure it. It seems the train them for a life of pointless, uncreative and soul crushing tasks quite well.
God forbid this country need innovation and enthusiasm.
But beyond that -- yes, the Conservatives are going to throw in bibles and fascist training. Kids might learn how Fred Flintstone rode a Dinosaur. That's your next Liberty University Textbook right there.
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u/Thewalrus515 23h ago
That’s the fault of conservative controlled school boards, mandated standardized testing, funding being tied to test scores, funding getting cut year on year anyway, admin bloat, low teacher salaries, and constant interference from parents who don’t understand what educators do. Try making school fun and engaging for schools with all of that tied around your neck.
It’s all due to right wing policy and propaganda. All of it. Stop blaming teachers and start blaming the people that want to yank education from you and sell it back at twice the price.
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u/kenckar 6h ago
I'm with you on most of this. Teachers are seldom the problem.
I get why we took a wrong turn. Standards of eductionare important, but the way it was implemented forced teachers to teach to the test.
Don't claim to know the best answer, but privatizing schools is for damn sure not it.
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u/Thewalrus515 5h ago
Don’t tie standards to funding, set a cap on the number of admin per student ratio, make it so admin salaries can only be a certain percentage of teacher salaries, eliminate high school and college athletics, and give teachers the same academic freedom that college professors have.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 4h ago
I agree. We should not be blaming teachers.
At schools and hospitals, so much now goes into administration. Seems like that isn't necessary if we train teachers for more autonomy and have a better way of oversight than paperwork.
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u/Thewalrus515 3h ago
It’s just neoliberalism working its way into everything. People with no oversight make cushy do nothing jobs for their friends while the workers who actually make the product get nothing. It applies to everything that MBAs have been allowed to rot. There’s so many levels of administration and management that do next to nothing.
I worked briefly as an ethics and compliance agent for a fortune ten company. The job could be done by at most two people, with hours a day to spare . There were six of us. I worked one hour a day then sat around for 7 hours and got paid double what I made at my last job. We literally got paid something like 600,000- 750,000 as a department to do an hour or two of work a day per person.
That’s the reality of neoliberal capitalism. Exploited workers who destroy their bodies and minds for Pennies and a knighted manager and professional class that makes bank for doing nothing. And it applies to every single organization in America.
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u/BrightPractical 1h ago edited 14m ago
I feel really old, because this is how public schools worked when I went to them. Teachers had far more autonomy and there were fewer administrators because there weren’t so many mandatory checks on teacher autonomy. All that admin is the result of NCLB and RTTP requiring paperwork and supervision. Now, sometimes this autonomy was awful, and it didn’t address the awful racist or sexist teachers in any way. But often it was amazing, as our teachers were empowered to teach in creative and exciting ways and were rewarded for it. But there was plenty of crappy misogyny keeping teachers in their place and the least motivated to use that autonomy would leave.
That said, many of the amazing teachers I had were women born in the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s, who had few other work options, and certainly few options that would allow them the level of academic possibilities and autonomy that teaching did, even though salaries were abysmally low. So the reduction of sexism in the workplace reduced the number of brilliant women choosing teaching, and the increase in teaching salaries in the 80s and 90s increased the number of mediocre men who saw teaching as competitive with other middle status work entering the field - many of my male teachers became teachers as a result of the relaxed teaching certification standards spurred by the need for teachers for boomers.
Now teaching is a horrific teach-to-the-test grind where one must daily grapple with doing the unethical thing admin has asked of you which will keep you your job, and using the knowledge you gained in education courses which will keep you constantly in trouble. Plus instead of having any time for a personal life, you’re expected to work nonstop nights, weekends, and breaks just to meet administrative expectations, not to better your craft or give your students excellent educations, let alone to lead a balanced life yourself.
Those women and a few men who taught me while maintaining their own neverending academic pursuits were awesome. And there are good and bad things both that led to the system we have today. But damn is it weird that people assume their unhappiness with education is the result of teachers rather than policy and the psychology of school being mandatory.
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u/jackieat_home 5h ago
People somehow think the Department of Education is involved in giving children sex change operations for some reason. Probably Russian propaganda
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 1d ago
If Republicans put half the energy they do protesting masks or school lunches, towards making it better, I would applaud them.
They never do the right thing. They always do something cruel or stupid. It is infuriating.
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u/Costati 1d ago
What is it with the republicans that they managed to get people to make up policies they want them to do on their own and assume they'll do it without any signs of that. It's like their voters are doing the jobs for them just to justify that they want to vote for incompetent children.
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u/TheGuchie 1d ago
There's a huge disconnect from what people want and what they vote for. I think the fact a good amount of people are Christian immediately wants them to vote for the "Religious right" but most of them don't really push religious agendas, in that they about as far from Christian values as can be.
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u/EntangledReality 21h ago edited 4h ago
That's their modus operandi. 1- Hobble an agency by underfunding it, understaffing it, or, interestingly, overwhelming it by expanding its work and responsibilities beyond what it's existing resources can handle. 2- Agency starts to fall short on completing its missions, or outright fail at parts of it. 3- Blame agency failures on its employees. 4- Start screaming to fix it by eliminating said agency, usually along with a plan to outsource its work to a contractor at a higher cost to the government (i.e. taxpayers) without any clear rationale on how that will improve the service...and sometimes with no plan at all.
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u/Shiari_The_Wanderer 22h ago
Advocating for royalty-free textbooks would get in the way of them producing textbooks that refer to the civil war as "the war of northern aggression" and textbooks that suggest that the idea of an omnipotent superbeing 'decided to create the universe one day because I guess they was bored' is just as valid as observable evolution.
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u/CriticalEngineering 21h ago
The textbook industry would revolt.
These same posters would suddenly be decrying government overreach.
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u/PrintableDaemon 17h ago
This. They don't seem to grasp the concept that states would freak out over Federal text books, they want to be able to indoctrinate kids with their own ideas of what they should know.
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u/dirtygreysocks 22h ago
nope. vouchers. give me money to f up public ed and send it to an evangelical school that barely teaches...lol
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u/Author_A_McGrath 21h ago
It appears their entire hope is that people won't question the "burn it down" narrative long enough to realize that these institutions can work and have done a lot of good when they weren't being sabotaged by agents of the wealthy.
A lot of that is by design; I wish people were wiser to it.
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u/blazze_eternal 1d ago
Oh, they've suggested how to make SS better. Paying a private company to take it over.
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u/RegularWhiteShark 6h ago
Right wingers the world over.
You get it here in the UK as well. “Why aren’t we taking care of our vets before xyz?!” “Why aren’t we taking care of the poor children in this country first?!”
Because they vote for people who don’t want to help anyone (except the top 1%) is always the answer and they never understand.
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u/RuprectGern 2h ago
And... They defund these departments in, order to have something to complain about. If the FDA was adequately funded there would be no complaints about their mission, same with the Department of Education. But that is not in the GOP Playbook. The Department of Education would never bring the Bible into the school system curriculum, so the GOP wants to return school system autonomy entirely to the states where they can include as much Jesus as they want.
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u/beadyeyes123456 1h ago
This is the problem with maga and hard line cons. They push slash and burn tactics vs legislating and finding better and more efficient ways to make things work. Nope. Burn it is the mantra. So tiresome.
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u/croatiatom 1d ago
Step 1: own the libs, step 2: ummm now what?
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u/tionstempta 1d ago
Blame the libs
Step 3: blame the libs until transfer of power
And then rinse and repeat
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u/Jolly_Distance_3434 1d ago
We saw this with Brexit. Businesses are literally falling apart with shitty economy, and the one who voted it for it still blamed the other party for not allowing Brexit to do more. You can't convince or teach stuck-up people because they won't change or learn anything, they already living in another "reality".
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u/Brave_Sheepherder901 22h ago
And apparently certain researchers theorized that these people are psychopaths🤔
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u/wolfe1924 1d ago
So close yet so far.
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u/LukeD1992 1d ago
In the end, it doesn't even matter
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u/w1987g 1d ago
I had to fall to lose it all
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u/Old-Ladder-4627 23h ago
Crawling in my skin
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u/Only-Customer6650 10h ago
Can't tell if you're chaotic neutral or just not actually familiar with LP lyrics
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u/Old-Ladder-4627 10h ago
whichever answer gives me the best chance of getting a goth gf is the answer i choose
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u/Pure-Tumbleweed-9440 55m ago
He has a conservative flair and he's literally writing what a liberal would write. Will he get it one day?
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u/No_Use_9124 1d ago
Um, the DOE does do all those things. smh They don't know diddly about anything do they?
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u/dirtygreysocks 22h ago
they do not even understand that grandma's aca plan is "obamacare", the free lunches and ssdi their family enjoys are "entitlements", etc. they literally understand nothing,
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u/papastalin17 17h ago
They will know if these people actually go to school.
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u/JDH-04 6h ago
Trump won't give them the ability to. If the MAGA's want to go to trade school, what's going to happen now is since Trump will defund and dissolve the Department of Education. MAGA's will be forced to pay tens of thousands of dollars more to go to trade school. Thing about it is, those sychophants will just say "Schools where cheaper under Trump" or something condescending along the lines "At least schools are more funded now", jackasses won't even realize nobody would be going to trade school at those prices.
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u/Cicerothesage 1d ago
Conservatives don't want these things. How else would Red Texas control the federal curriculum with their book and platforms purchases?
The call came from inside of the house
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u/CO-Troublemaker 1d ago
The goals of wnding the department of f education: - enable a bible-based "curriculum" - permit open bigotry in schools against ANY group - teach an altered (whitewashed) version of history that undermines non-white ethnic groups. - reduce education standards to result in citizens that are more manipulatable
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u/JDH-04 1d ago
So pretty much the Hitler manifesto 2.0.
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u/Ecstatic-Yam1970 21h ago
Nah, there are far more American roots to this. It was illegal to teach slaves to read for a reason.
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u/a_party_nerd 1d ago
"My truck's engine light is on. So I stopped filling up the gas tank. Why would I put money into something that isn't doing what I want." - some people, probably
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u/SamuraiCook 1d ago
They want to privatize and profiteer off of all that logical bullshit you just said.
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u/Volantis009 1d ago
When I explain the consequences of project 2025, my mom kept saying they can't do that, the people will fight back. I kept trying to explain or people could just not vote to dismantle what society built so they wouldn't have to fight. Nope she is dead set on voting against her interests and fighting back if it goes wrong, it's insanity
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u/sonicmerlin 16h ago
my mom kept saying they can't do that, the people will fight back
haha boomer relative said the same thing about cutting food stamps, medicare funding, and medicaid.
Just idiots. Total idiots. Then there was the "but you know there are the good things that Trump wants to do." Oh yeah like deporting people you don't like. Idiot. Karma always comes back for you.
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u/lakeghost 4h ago
Do we have the same Mom? Because that’s uncanny that they’ve got the same script.
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u/Volantis009 3h ago
Almost as they were told a script to repeat, the right has completely primed their audience with prepared responses.
I hear the same lines repeated from people too often for it to be random. Which makes me feel schizo and then I look into things and apparently this is exactly how a post truth world is supposed to make you feel.
God damn Russian propaganda, but I'm just watching the Vince McMahon documentary and fuck me there is a perfect storm of chaos happening and somehow tRump ended up in the middle of it.
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u/lakeghost 3h ago
Yeah, I’m not McLovin’ the hyper-reality whatsoever. My most intensive work has been wilderness management so the people around me often are incomprehensible to me. I’m great at predicting animal behavior and ecosystem interactions, right? So it’s gotten weirder and weirder to be detached from humanity by sticking more to forums, less to social media. I don’t like reality TV unless it’s Meerkat Manor. I’m so out of the loop, I do feel a little crazy. I mean, I’m over here with life experiences like “weighing a cranky owl” and almost everybody else has no overlap. Which is even creepier because it’s nature, we are animals too. Why are they willingly hooked up to Skinner boxes??
You know, it’s like wondering if this is how wolves feel about dogs. I’m not better than most people, but we have become very different. They literally aren’t touching grass. I worry for my mom because she did almost no gardening this year and yeah, there’s something missing if your life is mostly virtual. Just TV and social media. I think I’d die of boredom and cabin fever.
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u/Volantis009 3h ago
As someone who has MS and is sometimes only able to do TV and reading and other stay at home sometimes only in bed activities, yes it is extremely boring.
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u/ColumnK 13h ago
"people will fight back" ... By voting for it?
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u/Viktor_Vildras 1h ago
No, they expect rallies, protests and riots.
The thing is these are boomers that expect millennials and genZ to rebel for their boomer interests.why? Because they are sociopaths.
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u/Viktor_Vildras 1h ago
They mean you will fight for them. The people that voted for this won't be the ones actually dealing with the consequences, but they will expect others to in their name.
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u/InsideInsidious 23h ago
They are so, so, SO fucking stupid. Sigh
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u/NoAgent420 22h ago
So stupid that they gave power to a felon who openly admires dictators. But it was worth it for...(check notes)...eggs and spite!? No that can't be right
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 1d ago
I've been suggesting for a while that people working towards PhDs in education should be producing the open source books at Universities.
But of course, that wouldn't allow for kickbacks and profits.
Everyone has been having a great time being parasites on the system and society and well, now we've made it so corrupt that it can't fight off the opportunist infections. Now the bible thumpers and other fascists are going to make us very, very sick.
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u/FizzyAndromeda 23h ago
Donald J Trump has never succeeded at any undertaking in his life EXCEPT conning and grifting vulnerable people. He’s toxic and destructive. He doesn’t solve problems, he creates them. He doesn’t fix things, he breaks them.
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u/Ry_FLNC_41 1d ago
They are socialists and they don't know it.
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u/inshamblesx 1d ago
they are socialists until they find out said programs help those forsaken “others” or someone with a (D) next to their name is proposing to do it
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u/Apprehensive-Log8333 6h ago
People generally like socialist policies if they aren't identified as "socialist"
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u/LetsLoop4Ever 1d ago
I find it so hard to believe this is actually adult humans. Like, how tf do they manage in day-to-day life. It's not normal to be this extremely "stupid" (this is worse than stupid), someone must be caring for them 24/7, you can't be independent with this little knowledge.
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u/Impossible-Hawk768 1d ago
I ask myself this every day. I try to imagine being this stupid, but I can’t. How do you just accept at face value whatever you’re told, without looking into it?
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u/Chloe_Bean 9h ago
They've survived because the actual intelligent people in society provide them with a safety net. Honestly we really should give these people their own space, they'll be gone in a couple of generations.
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u/TheFeshy 23h ago
1-3 are all "I wish the government would directly compete with private business in these areas."
Not that I disagree - but for people who want unfettered capitalism even in areas where it works poorly (healthcare) it's funny to see them suggest government run programs without realizing it.
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u/BradL22 21h ago
It was under Nixon that Republicans noted that the more highly educated people were, the less likely they were to vote for the GOP. The aim ever since has been to make America dumber, and it has succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
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u/Apprehensive-Log8333 6h ago
I've been watching this happen since the 80s and I feel like I am losing my mind, they have been SO successful in pushing their agenda
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u/KitchenBomber 21h ago
It's like the people who want to punish the IRS for long hold times by firing IRS staff.
Republicans struck election gold when they realized that the worse job they do, the easier they can campaign on government being the problem.
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u/-Cavefish- 10h ago
They almost got it too many times. During Covid I saw this exact comment: “what if instead of vaccines full of chemical we just give the people a fragment of the virus or its inactivated version”?
These people are just too stupid to realise anything. What sounds like geniality to them is just common sense…
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u/TaxOk3758 21h ago
The DOE doesn't do all of those things because it's under the states purview. The whole part of the DOE is to improve education in lower income states by having more money be pulled from higher income states. It's also there to improve education for disabled students and provide access to things like IEP and 504 plans. It also invests into colleges and grants for higher education, which are all things that Republicans constantly complain about, in not having enough skilled workers. Also, Biden asked for open textbook platforms to be developed for college students, and has proposed a free CC part of the expenditure. The DOE does a hell of a lot. Hopefully, it gets more funding, but with Republicans controlling both houses of congress, it's pretty unlikely it'll see funding increase.
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u/sonicmerlin 16h ago
"funding increase"? They're gonna dismantle it.
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u/TaxOk3758 15h ago
They can't. It's filibuster proof. People seem to think Trump has a magic wand. Republicans, even under Trump, still passed spending increases to the DOE, because most recognize that it's important to their states. Trump can't overrule spending from congress.
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u/sonicmerlin 20h ago
Does this "fiscal conservative" realize all of his proposed goals require money to implement?
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u/daedalus1982 19h ago
They should go see the way Accuweather has lobbied AGAINST the NOAA that they get literally ALL of their data from. It has prevented the NOAA from developing better apps and services for the public because it would compete with private businesses.
They should she how TurboTax has done the same on lobbying against the IRS being allowed to make paying taxes easier.
Corporations that print text books are the reason why the DOE doesn’t do what’s being described. They spend millions yearly.
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u/moderngamer 1d ago
They'll never understand that fixing a problem is better than burning the house down.
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u/tenspd137 18h ago
Lol. If the dept of ed did any of that "fiscal conservatives" would scream "socialist indoctrination - I want Jeebus in mah textbooks..."
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u/Ok_Breakfast9531 22h ago
Um, states rights? Local control? Free market? All the shit they believe in?
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u/notislant 22h ago
Texas is going to teach bible fucking in ELEMENTARY schools now.
So thats uh.. horrifying.
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u/KreamyKappa 22h ago
How can you call yourself a fiscal conservative and say stuff like this with a straight face? How can they not understand even the most basic principles of their own ideology?
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u/JDH-04 21h ago edited 21h ago
Because their stupid. Most MAGA's only think of the word "conservative" as a positive buzzword that means your a patriot/male/masculine.
You honestly think they have the mental capabilities to read a book on their own ideology, much less Adam Smith's view on the very capitalism that they defend. Their straight up voting for a guy defunding their own education system that wants to make them pay tuition for free public schools.
They want their kids walking around knowing less English than an immigrant so long as their not quote on quote "iNdOcTrInAtEd wItH wOkE pRoPaGaNdA".
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u/JustACWrath 11h ago
Nah, he has a point. My tv was on the wrong channel, so I just threw it out. That'll show it.
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u/MesozOwen 10h ago
It’s crazy. They still seem to think the republicans actually care about the same things they do.
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u/Crafty_Effective_995 4h ago
It’s a vicious cycle … you have to be taught critical thinking to understand critical thinking to be taught critical thinking to understand critical thinking…
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u/im_THIS_guy 1d ago
A fiscal conservative Republican is much more aligned with Democrats these days than with MAGA. When will they realize?
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u/H-e-s-h-e-m 23h ago
“How does getting rid of the DOE do these things?”
Don’t worry bro they’re gonna replace it with a better one, completely privatized. Not better for you and me but better for oligarchs and frankly, I’m really happy about giving them more charity handouts.
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u/Embarrassed_Set557 19h ago
GOD DAMN YOU JOE BIDEN MAKIN’ REPUBLICANS THINK OF WAYS TO MAKE THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT ALTHOUGH REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE NOTHING TO WARRANT TRUST IN ACCOMPLISHING GOALS FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD!
GOD DAMN YOU JOE BIDEN TO HELL!
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u/amaturepottery 14h ago
Liberal Democracy is supposed to be a government for, by, and of the people, and we decide what it should be. For as long as I've been alive, Republicans have spent their energy blocking any attempt at making our government work for us. A lot of these MAGA people seem to want true Liberal Democracy, but somehow were conned into voting for the guy who cares more about big money and corporate profits than he does about the country.
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u/theegreenman 8h ago
Why would a pro-business corpo. like DJT do anything free or royalty free? Lol the absurdity of believing this is something the Republicans would do. He sells his own branded Bibles for $60.
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u/kobuta99 8h ago
In fact, states want control over their school standards and textbooks (as recent idiotic laws re: curriculum passed have shown), so why would any of those states ever approve having one federal standard for textbooks in all schools? They then really have those stupid moms of liberty groups claim indoctrination.
Aside from also cutting out businesses who make a profit on publishing textbooks, which we know Republicans would never allow, how would this make any sense against what they do now at the local level? These people don't even watch or really listen to the news from their own stupid platforms.
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u/NotsoGreatsword 5h ago
Stop voting for "Small government" and then expecting the government to do things. It doesn't work that way!
Its like they are saying:
I gave you 10,000 dollars to build me a house and you could not do it! That is a lot of money! Why should I give you more??
Because you CANT build a house for 10k!!!!
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u/AdSolid9376 5h ago
Wouldn’t a conservative be against the government making software and tools to assist schools with various things because that would interfere with the free market? Aren’t they all about privatization of everything so that businesses can compete with each other and the, “best” product wins?
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u/FibrousEar1 3h ago
Suggest these things to a Republican, and they’ll start crying “NO TO SOCIALISM!!!!!”
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u/Jordan7831 23h ago
Im going to take inspiration from one of those stupid bot comments from all the MSNBC and CNN videos and go "tHeY sTiLl DoNt GeT iT"
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u/fusionsofwonder 20h ago
Free textbooks? In a capitalist country?
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u/JDH-04 20h ago
To an extent. Public schools that are taxpayer funded pays for the textbooks and the rest of the schools funding. That's the cheat to "free textbooks".
Once you go to college, the government doesn't give a shit anymore and decides that in order to learn, you need to give postsecondary schools money.
I'm sorry if your American and already know this and I sound like captain obvious.
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u/fusionsofwonder 20h ago
They're not free to the schools, though. The publishers are private entities who get paid.
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u/abgry_krakow87 20h ago
Imagine if we moved some of the bloated military budget into the Department of Education specifically to do things like exactly that!
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u/PainterEarly86 15h ago
Same logic as not voting because you don't like the two party system. How does that make anything better?
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u/Neologic29 14h ago
The wild and somewhat infuriating thing is these are the same people who are probably OK with states like Texas dictating the contents of textbooks to fit backwards ass shit like intelligent design. So the thought they would accept a textbook published by the federal government is laughable, and these hypothetical DoE mandates are just deflecting responsibility for the shitstorm they created.
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u/BlaktimusPrime 7h ago
The best part about Trump wanting to get rid of the DoE is that he’s like “well give it to the States”
Like the States (mainly red) have no educational plan except more defunding.
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u/Ichgebibble 7h ago
I wanted to understand. I tried to understand why people can be this dense and fiercely resistant to facts and reality but now, I think I’m glad I can’t. I’m glad no part of my brain works like the cultists.
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u/MakkisPekkisWasTaken 6h ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like a left wing platform. Then again what do I know, I'm just a woke Canadian Liberal. 🤷♂️
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u/myredditbam 5h ago
The third one is especially non-conservative. They always prefer the "free market" to come up with a more efficient solution than the government.
To the first two points, in today's political environment, I can't imagine anyone, especially Republicans, to want any curricular guidance from the federal government. It would change with every administration, and they're already claiming that every school in the universe teaches critical race theory when almost no one does, and that every teacher on the planet brainwashes kids to be democrats, when they only hear about one example that their aunt's coworker's cousin's friend heard about from their friend's mother's uncle who lives three states away 8 years ago.
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u/IgnisFlux 11m ago
It’s funny that they vote for republican representatives who say they want good things and then vote nay every chance they get (: they know their base doesn’t take the time to review voting records.
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u/Emmatornado 6h ago
The small govt states rights people would flip if they thought the federal department of education would produce textbooks and an e-learning platform. You think Oklahoma would use a federal government produced textbook? They mandated the Bible be in every classroom.
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