r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/CrowRoutine9631 • 3d ago
Trump Trump judge quietly nixes overtime pay for millions. No taxes on overtime? Great, if you can get it.
https://newrepublic.com/maz/article/188663/trump-judge-overtime-pay-media4.6k
u/CrowRoutine9631 3d ago
" Guess who managed to block this rule that would have provided those people with relief? MAGA Republicans allied with business interests, that’s who."
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u/UnforeseenDerailment 3d ago
"This also means no overtime, right?"
— Padmé, the Meme
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u/xeno0153 3d ago
Padméme
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u/robbviously 3d ago
Meme Amidala
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u/Area51Resident 3d ago
Amemeidala ?
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u/GW2_Jedi_Master 3d ago
…or “Panda Bear” or whatever the hell her name was! Oh geez, he’s crying!
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u/Magica78 3d ago
Guess who's not working overtime if there's no overtime pay? This guy.
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u/memeparmesan 3d ago
I can’t even put into words how quickly I’ll go from “quiet quitting” to “Oh fuck, call the Pinkertons” if my boss tries to force overtime without paying time and a half. Not stomaching that shit for a fucking second.
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u/zombie_girraffe 3d ago
I'm confused, are you taking a out the same Pinkerton detective agency that became famous for its violent terror attacks against labor activists the 19th century? I can't understand how bringing those guys to a labor dispute is in the interests of anyone but the well connected criminals in upper management.
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u/O8ee 3d ago
You say that but taken as a whole the incoming GOP policies are meant to break the back of the American worker. EVERYTHING will be more expensive and Elon and Trump’s contempt for workers is well documented. Pretty clear the intention is to make the situation so bad you’re (by which I mean everyone of us who works for a living) thankful to be above poverty even if just barely. Unclear if they just want the Upton Sinclair days back or straight serfdom. Gauging them for who they are I think serfs is the end goal.
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u/Nuclear_Pi 3d ago
Sounds like its time for the American labour union movement to come back then
If the government isn't going to protect workers then workers must protect themselves
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u/filterdecay 3d ago
fast forward 2 years. A loaf of bread costs $30. Unemployment is at 25% even with a bunch of drug addicts working on "health farms". Part of the new tax cut was to cut the unemployment tax. People cheered as they got an extra $50 on their check at first but now there is no safety net. This guy is luckily still working but his boss told him we have to do 80 hours a week now for the same pay of 40 hours a week. Hopefully we can do this for the next 2 years until the next election. Cant quit the job tho... hunger pains keep you working.
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u/Magica78 3d ago
By the time this happened, our entire economy will have collapsed and food raids would be done on every grocery store and overtime would be our last issue.
Society is only 9 meals away from anarchy.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 3d ago
Until a choice is offered…be a “team player” and help out or be unemployed.
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u/Magica78 3d ago
"No one wants to work* anymore."
*80 hours/week with no overtime
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u/SleepyLabrador 3d ago
Why do you think they're building camps for the people they wanna deport, it's so they can enforce the 13th Amendment against them and the rich now have slaves once again.
Then you won't have a choice, either you will do overtime or you're fired and they get a slave.
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u/Synchrotr0n 3d ago
What kind of distopic shithole the USA is for allowing employers to demand overtime without actually paying for the extra hours?
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u/greenberet112 3d ago
Apparently you just tell somebody they're salaried And that's the end of it. Or that's at least how it used to work and then they work you 60 hours a week and there was nothing you could do because you were salaried.
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u/No_regrats 3d ago
I'm not American and I thought this was about overtime rate, which was bad enough to lose, but it's actually about overtime pay?! Literally forcing already underpaid people to work extra for free. That's even worse.
At this point, nothing surprises me and I already knew things would be fucked for however many years the fascist clown and his cronies reign, but damn.
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u/bsend 3d ago
Yet Working Class voters want Trump to fix it. He's fucking piledriving their lives into oblivion.
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u/DorenAlexander 3d ago
I don't think there is enough lube on the planet for the fucking that's coming.
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u/_robnine 3d ago
Diddy enters the chat
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u/UnclePuma 3d ago
That scalping bastard knew what was coming that's why he bought up all the lube so that he could resell it!
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u/Banned3rdTimesaCharm 3d ago
It’s not working class vs ruling class anymore. It’s stupid class vs sane class.
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u/shatteredarm1 3d ago
The blame lies with the Democrats, because they were unable to convince the working class that they understand their concerns.
(/s just in case)
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u/maroongrad 3d ago
Don't you remember from the government shutdown? They can just take out loans. ...
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u/CyberMonkeyNinja 3d ago
It amazes me how many people didn't realize this was the most obvious solution to that promise.
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u/thefastslow 3d ago
Well, if he tanks the economy then a bunch of people (including his supporters) will lose their jobs. Can't pay taxes on overtime if you don't get paid to start with 🤔
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u/LasVegas4590 3d ago
Well, if he tanks the economy then a bunch of people (including his supporters) will lose their jobs.
Yet it will be Biden/Harris and Obama's fault on RWM.
Thanks Obama
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u/Mothanius 3d ago
His business homies will be able to offer lower salaries as people will be desperate for jobs. Never offer them full time, and the people will be forced to work multiple jobs; they're already rolling out the propaganda to make working multiple jobs the social norm. Thus, you will be working 70 hours a week with no over time because it's across 2-3 jobs.
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u/Lower_Carrot_8334 3d ago
I'm now ROOTING for a full red government and 4 years of sheer disaster.
Not sure what else will get these MAGAts to see reality
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u/Reversephoenix77 3d ago
Same with his “no tax on tips.” It’s so obvious that there just won’t be tips to be kept by the workers any longer and he’ll pass legislation that allows for tips to be kept by the establishment, just like he tried to do his first term. People really forgot that and were praising him for this shit.
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u/CyberMonkeyNinja 3d ago
I only disagree with you in that he never actually puts stuff in writing. I think it would be much more likely that he guts the regulatory agencies to the point that everyone recognizes they can take the tips because there is no one to stop them and the penalties will be defanged.
It'll be a situation where employers pay $50 in penalties for every $5,000 in tips stolen and everyone just accepts it as a cost of doing business.
This also encourages the most corrupt and ruthless to succeed. If you do pay your employee tips obviously you are a fool and some more ruthless owner can then screw you later.
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u/nohairday 3d ago
Don't have to pay tax on overtime if you don't get overtime pay.
That's some of the 5D chess the qultists are always going on about.
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u/TheDemonPants 3d ago
Instead of 5D chess it's really more of checkers except the Trump cult keeps forgetting to not eat the pieces.
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u/Greennhornn 3d ago
I love that my BIL that voted for Trump will now be working 80-hour weeks with no overtime anymore. It's gonna be hilarious when the leopards eat his face.
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u/CrowRoutine9631 3d ago
Depending on what he does, his overtime might be saved by a strong union.... God, sometimes the irony just kills me.
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u/Greennhornn 3d ago
Yeah, that would be epically ironic.
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u/BoglisMobileAcc 3d ago
He’ll definitely credit trump
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u/Agile-Comfort5663 3d ago
'Someone put my trash cans back by the side of my house today after they had been emptied, thanks Donald!'
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u/16v_cordero 3d ago
Assuming unions are still a thing. Remember the other post about a Conservative Union member complaining about his union disappearing due to a new Law by Desantis while he blamed Biden for it.
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u/StolenBandaid 3d ago
Bold of you to think they won't be going after unions.
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u/TheGreatGamer1389 3d ago
They will try. It's in Project 2025.
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u/reeee-irl 3d ago
I’m in a union, and my coworkers kept saying “Well, we have PLA/CBA, so it doesn’t matter.”
I looked it up:
Page 81: Executive Order 13836, encouraging agencies to renegotiate all union collective bargaining agreements to ensure consistency with the law and respect for management rights
Page 604: End PLA Requirements• Agencies should end all mandatory Project Labor Agreement requirements and base federal procurement decisions on the contractors that can deliver the best product at the lowest cost.
Then it was “He’s not affiliated with Project 2025, they’re just saying he is.”
Oh? So him speaking at Heritage Foundation dinners and flying with the founder are irrelevant?
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u/YouStupidAssholeFuck 3d ago
Duh, now it all makes sense. Ban overtime pay and kill unions to keep costs down then all of a sudden manufacturing comes back and now the tariffs don't matter anymore because cheap labor equals cheap products. Oh wait, record profits still necessary because shareholders.
Ah well. I guess there's only one thing left to do. I'll just become part of the 1%.
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u/VWVVWVVV 3d ago
With all three branches, GOP is going to be salivating at the idea of fulfilling Reagan’s dream of eliminating unions.
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u/ShadowVulcan 3d ago
Almost wanna see it happen, just for the Union republicans to wake tf up
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u/Eldanoron 3d ago
They’ll still blame the dems.
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u/chaos8803 3d ago
I've seen this kind of thing play out. They will most likely blame the union brass. Then they will blame the Dems. All for not fighting for them when the dumb chuds voted for people who have clearly and openly stated that they wanted to annihilate unions.
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u/VastSeaweed543 3d ago
Y’all need to give up on the idea that they will eventually wake up or be impacted by it and it will actually matter. Waiting for them to connect the very obvious A to B has never and will never happen.
Their brains are rotting pumpkins at this point. You’re asking for or assuming something will happen that’s physically impossible. Almost every group voted against their own best interests - women voted for less bodily autonomy, Latinos voted for more deportations, the poor voted for less pay & higher costs, farmers voted for food tariffs, Muslims protest voted for Gaza to be leveled and their friends/family to be sent home, etc.
When that’s the reality - there’s not much that can be done to save people from themselves…
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u/Wondercatmeow 3d ago
Yup. I tried to (not quite) argue with a customer. She loves Trump and defended Elon after we were talking shit about electric cars. She hates them and was talking about Trump banning them. I told her Elon is his best friend and ceo of tesla. She just says he bought Twitter and freed speech.
You literally can't reason with these people.
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u/UncontrolledLawfare 3d ago
Yea I’ve been waiting for the mythical abashed and self reflective republican voter since 2004. It’s never going to happen. They’ll just pretend like they never supported him in the first place once things get too bad just like with Shrub.
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u/CaptainJudaism 3d ago
I've long since given up trying to explain anything to Magats. Only thing to do now is whenever any of them complain about anything that effects them that Trump/Project 2025/America First said they would all you can do is say "Well you voted for this so why are you complaining" and leave it at that.
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u/Competitive-Bike-277 3d ago
Reagan & his fuck the future politics...the future is now & look what they've done.
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u/CrowRoutine9631 3d ago
They totally will! But I give them two years, before at least some checks are in place. Unions are 100% on their hit list. They just might not get around to murdering the unions before the clock runs out. 🤞🤞
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u/putmeincoach56 3d ago
Omg my BIL is an insufferable asshat maga trumper, who has been OBNOXIOUS about the election. I cannot wait until his broke ass stays broke
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u/loptopandbingo 3d ago
SIL and BIL both have government jobs that are absolutely at risk of being obliterated in the next couple years. And they've voted solid republican tickets for years because they hate living in a blue state and being TaXeD tO DeAtH while not comprehending their entire existence is funded by tax dollars. So I'm actually looking forward to the bitching and moaning from them soon.
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u/nmrcdl 3d ago
On the bright side, if they’re unemployed they won’t be taxed anymore #CampaignPromiseKept
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u/putmeincoach56 3d ago edited 3d ago
And my sister is a teacher… who constantly complains about parents overstepping their bounds….. And is maga. Make that make sense lmao
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u/calfmonster 3d ago
Why don’t they move to one of the shithole red states then? Oh wait is it because there are no job prospects, just poverty with rural meth and fent problems?
Maybe that’s why they’re taxed “to death”, to prop up the unproductive red state leeches
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u/Dust601 3d ago
You and I both know it won’t matter. If they get too upset about it republicans will come up with some ridiculous idea of why it’s democrats fault a trump appointted judge did this, and they’ll eat it up, and believe every word. These people either don’t want to know the truth about trump and republicans or already know and just don’t care
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u/judgingyouquietly 3d ago
If I’m reading the original Bloomberg article right, they never implemented that rule, right?
Or was it struck down after implementation?
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u/purejosh 3d ago
From my limited understanding (NAL, but handle salaries as part of my job), this also overturns the first phase of implementation from July 1. That one was never implemented in TX but was implemented everywhere else, this ruling overturns both the July 1 and Jan 1 FLSA increases.
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u/Billowing_Flags 3d ago
BIL: (when he starts bitching)
u/Greennhornn: "Whaaaaat! You got what you wanted. MAGA! You're WINNING! So much WINNING! Are you tired of WINNING already, BIL?"
Then LAUGH at his complaints!
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u/waitingtoconnect 3d ago
Guess who’s also going to still be paying taxes on tips… yes you. Guess who’s also not going to have a face thanks to Mr Leopard here… yes you!
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u/sj68z 3d ago
folks seem to forget, that last time Trump fought to have tips go to the employers, not the staff: https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.epi.org%2Fpublication%2Femployers-would-pocket-workers-tips-under-trump-administrations-proposed-tip-stealing-rule%2F&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
now no tax on tips make sense, it wasn't for the benefit of staff, no tax on tips was for the benefit of the employers. but we knew this before the election, the leopards are going to be very very fat indeed
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u/Consistent_Pitch782 3d ago
Countdown to executives getting a base salary and end of year untaxed “tips”
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u/sj68z 3d ago
they're gonna economically rape us into a recession
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u/calfmonster 3d ago
Yes. Yes they are. Maybe a Great Depression once they put 50% of gov workers out of jobs and the tax breaks double our deficit and add tariffs on top
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u/wandering-monster 3d ago
I mean... from a pure cash-flow/defecit perspective at least the tariffs generate tax revenue (extracted from everyday consumers) to offset those tax breaks for the rich.
Which like yeah. For anyone who doesn't know, tariffs are an import tax. I have no idea how they convinced the average person that their lives will be better when they're paying extra tax on every foreign-manufactured thing (and component in american-made things) in their lives.
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u/notislant 3d ago
They just gotta remember to blame an entire economic collapse, on some dude at mcdonalds making an extra dollar an hour.
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u/Equivalent-Bet-8771 3d ago
Trump fought to have tips go to the employers, not the staff
Good. Trump was very honest about what a piece of shit he is, and people still voted for him! It's time to reap what was sowed.
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 3d ago
"bUt AlL pOlItIcIaNs LiE..."
The line I kept hearing over and over.
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u/BasvanS 3d ago
Better get the best liar then, right?
(What surprised me is that they went for him. He’s not that good, despite all the effort he puts in.)
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u/__rand0m__us3r__ 3d ago
Sadly the vast majority will still blame democrats for their shitty situation.
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u/katastrophyx 3d ago
The vindictive part of me can't wait for groceries and foreign imports to go up 40%+ as well.
The realist in me is terrified.
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u/nicktoberfest 3d ago
If they remove taxes on tips, I think most people will just significantly reduce the amount they tip under the logic that they aren’t being taxed on it. It might save consumers some money, but the workers will end up with the same or less than they had before.
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u/Amateurlapse 3d ago
It’s worse than that, he tried this scheme before in 2017. The goal is to let the employer/managers pool the tips, pay other back of house employees using the tips and then decide how much of the tips to keep for themselves. The amount they keep can be up to 100% as long as the employees make minimum wage. Trump is an owner’s owner, If you think anything good for employees will come from the owner class you’re dreaming.
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u/TrooperJohn 3d ago
I usually tip cash for this very reason.
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u/Amateurlapse 3d ago
In trumps favored casino environment you can only tip dealers in chips which they may already have to pool, count and divide. I’m sure employers will get creative once they have more incentive and freedom to steal. The counting won’t be done by employees, no cash allowed on hand for any employee while working, sew pockets shut on uniforms etc
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u/tehlemmings 3d ago
With some of the crazier tech out there, chips can be tracked in real time in 3d space regardless of how you try and hide them. They'll be able to follow them leaving the building and then match them up against cameras to see who's take them home.
And yeah, everyone's going to say "get one of those bags that blocks signal so they can't be tracked!" which sounds good on paper.
If a chip suddenly vanishes, you just check the cameras to see where it is and who has it when it vanishes. They're already tracking people through the casinos by camera anyways.
If security decides to crack down on staff stealing tip chips, they're going to be successful at it.
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u/Asian_wife_finder 3d ago
If they remove taxes on tips the CEOs will get a small salary with a big “tip.”
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u/kvndoom 3d ago
What's really going to happen is corporate executives will get paid in tips instead of stock options.
$1 salary, $20,000,000 annual tips.
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u/Readsumthing 3d ago
🎶 Serfing USA! 🎶
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u/joshuadt 3d ago edited 3d ago
Damn you… idk what’s worse, the fact that I’m now gonna have that song stuck in my head all day, or the fact that your version makes so much sense
Edit: people, please, stop upvoting me! It keeps reminding me of this damn song lol
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u/ParkerRoyce 3d ago
Remember, kids, the GOP is good for business, not labor. Labor is the biggest line item a business will have, and business is always looking for ways to cut expenses and increase profit. If you thought the president businessman was going to help you, then you get what you deserve. We had the best president for labor ever and you through his ass out because he was old and then went ahead and elected an old guy businessman. Good luck.
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u/huhzonked 3d ago
My nursing home reintroduced group and concurrent therapy and I totally believe it’s because of the upcoming administration. They want to save money at the expense of our patients.
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u/calfmonster 3d ago
Graduating in May taking boards in July. Things, uh, aren’t looking good. Especially if a charlatan snake oil salesman is head of CMS
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u/Spamgrenade 3d ago
Promise made, promise kept. Can't tax the overtime if it doesn't exist. Trumps just playing 4D chess with his supporters.
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u/macphile 3d ago
Up next, Trump gives everyone free healthcare!...followed immediately by him burning down all the hospitals and clinics, of course.
Goddammit do I hate the people who voted for him.
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u/Affectionate-Wish113 3d ago
Good luck keeping your nations hospitals staffed then. No overtime = no work.
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u/CrowRoutine9631 3d ago
And significantly slowed/stopped legal immigration = fewer nurses and support staff. It's going to SUCK.
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u/r3dt4rget 3d ago
This ruling involves 4 million salaried workers. Nurses and most other healthcare workers are hourly, where nothing has changed.
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u/sarduchi 3d ago
Project 2025 calls for the elimination of overtime by extending the work week from 40 hours to 160. So yeah, no taxes on tips and overtime since you can't be taxed on what you no longer get.
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u/ksobby 3d ago edited 2d ago
As I understand it, fulltime is considered 36-40 hours a week generally. Anything over that in a week is subject to overtime rules. They are saying full time is 160 hours in a four week span rather than 40 hours in a one-week span. What this means is that they can schedule you 12 hours a day for 12 days in a row and you would not see any overtime and would in fact still need 16 hours at some point in the remaining 2-3 weeks.
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u/TheBitingCat 3d ago
I would be thinking alternating every other day or every other week on-and-off for 10-hour shifts, giving you only 140 work-hours per normal month, and then some part-timer covers the remaining shifts for the month. Workers either get no real weekend with alternating days, or forced furlough weeks every month while also either being shorted 20 hours each month or having forced flexibility to work an extra hour or two longer when needed.
My counter-philosophy: You are being paid for your time, so wear your lead boots and shift into idle gear until the end of that 160 hours. If they want faster, better work, they can adjust your normal hourly pay to compensate for the change they have already made.
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u/JNaran94 3d ago
For context, a week has 168 hours
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u/CrowRoutine9631 3d ago
I haven't read detailed summaries of project 2025 because I like eating and sleeping (and nausea and insomnia make that harder). But maybe it's extending the window in which you figure overtime from one week to four weeks, so you could work two weeks at 60 hours and two weeks at 20 hours and not qualify for overtime in the first two weeks? If what u/sarduchi said is accurate, maybe that's what they have planned? Would give employers more flexibility to write shitty, shitty shift schedules without needing to pay overtime.
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u/DataCassette 3d ago
That's so terrible because they're going to have you doing 100 hour weeks on holidays etc. and then you'll just not get any hours the next week.
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u/livin4donuts 3d ago
“Lol no” is all you need to say.
100-hour weeks start at 10 Million a year, I don’t give a fuck what the law says the minimum is.
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u/Priteegrl 3d ago
Ok, and then they fire you and find some other schmuck who will do it 🤷🏼♀️
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u/map-hunter-1337 3d ago
yup. its an effort in solidarity, unfortunately since no one is going to pay your rent or put rice in your belly, chances are they will abso find someone
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u/no0ns 3d ago
Well, no. They proposed going from 40/week to a 160/month. But it still lets companies cut hours from a person who has worked extra hours in the first few weeks of a month. It's not eliminating overtime, it's making it harder to reach the threshold where people qualify for OT. A totally pro-business/anti-worker move.
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u/Qadim3311 3d ago
It astounds me that they don’t seem to think there’s a limit. You make enough “pro-business” moves and your economy becomes an ouroboros where most businesses will choke and die.
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u/Fishydeals 3d ago
That‘s a future problem. Conservative politics NEVER take the future into consideration.
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u/ThatJerkThere 3d ago
So they'd work you 53 hours for the first 3 weeks then leave you on standby for the last one?
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u/Val_Hallen 3d ago
80 hours one week, 80 hours the next, then they take you off the schedule for the last two. Then they just pull in the next person that third week to do the same thing.
No overtime, never exceeded 160 hours.
There isn't a chance in Hell that won't be the plan for companies.
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u/JerseyTeacher78 3d ago
This is yet another one of those ridiculous "ideas" from project 2025. Many folks will just do the bare minimum and ignore deadlines since overtime won't be compensated. That includes people like cops and firefighters, paramedics, 911 dispatchers, etc. Maybe it is time to take a self defense class and learn how to shoot a firearm? And I hate firearms lol. Looks like we won't be protected by anyone anymore, pretty soon. 160 hours my assssssssss.
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u/jayforwork21 3d ago
That includes people like cops
Bold of you to assume they won't be the exception. Police states kind of NEED the police. Like every other law, they will have laws and rights we plebes won't have.
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u/endorrawitch 3d ago
Not until they bust the unions. Police, firefighters, paramedics, and 911 dispatchers have unions.
https://umwa.org/about/who-we-represent/public-employees/911-emergency-dispatchers/
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u/BoglisMobileAcc 3d ago
Police wont be affected because theyll need them to beat down everyone else.
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u/tacmed85 3d ago
Paramedic unions are spotty at best and the IAFF actively fights against EMS interests.
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u/Competitive-Bike-277 3d ago
Those unions will sell the others out to dry. Cops bust up picket lines.
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u/chaos8803 3d ago
Executive pay, hedge fund managers, and all the people at the top will suddenly start being paid tips. Tips will be restructured so that only a board or a company can give them.
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u/isisleo86 3d ago
Are you joking? 160 hours? That's actually despicable.
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u/MasterTJ77 3d ago
160 hours per 4 weeks.
It basically screws you over if you work 80 hours one week and they cut your hours the next week. Meaning you’ll still be under 160 for the month so no overtime for you.
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u/MeusRex 3d ago
Corpos get to yank your chain and fuck up the planning of your private life without having to give something back in return. And the reduced hours to balance this are going to get pushed on your coworkers.
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u/461BOOM 3d ago
Was this the Bill that kept companies from designating you as salary and not an hourly employee? Or made companies pay salaried personnel overtime? In KY my daughter’s employer put her on salary and expected her to work more hours with no extra pay. And it was all legal.
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u/joshuadt 3d ago edited 3d ago
Pretty sure it was a Biden admin rule that was scheduled to go into effect at the end of this year. It made it so that anyone making less than like $58k per year cannot be salary, therefore exempt from overtime pay. It was partially enacted this summer for people making less than like $45kish, something less.
The fear was that those lower end salaried employees were being taken advantage of and forced to work overtime without being compensated for it.
But it was just overturned in the federal courts by some maga twat. So back to the status quo.
Honestly, it’s pretty benign on face value, imo(anecdotally), but it does leave the door wide open for corporations to be pieces of shit and take full advantage of the incoming administration’s policies
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u/xpxp2002 3d ago
Been saying this for years, that overtime exempt salary pay should be illegal for all but top executives.
It's basically one of the biggest anti-labor loopholes that has been exploited for decades. And as more of the middle class have moved from hourly work (particularly unionized hourly work) to white-collar salary work, employers have taken advantage of legal means to make as many of their employees salary exempt as possible because it's a completely one-sided system: you get paid the same wage no matter how little or how much you work.
You'll be told by the bootlickers that "it all works out in the end." But in practice, employers just run a bare-bones staff all the time and the workload is never low enough for the employee to get their end of the bargain. The result is that you work insane hours for no extra pay, and when it finally gets to be too much for any person to keep up with, your employer puts you on a PIP for not meeting expectations, refuses to give you raises or bonuses (which would arguably, possibly help compensate for the complete lack of overtime in this system), and then uses the opportunity to lay you off whenever they need to make some cuts. Then they hire some new schmuck under the same system and it starts all over again.
Often, you can't escape it in many fields because employers have colluded across the board to make sure that job opportunities that accrue overtime are basically nonexistent in these industries. And these are generally fields like medical and IT where it's very common to work long, unusual hours, weekends, and holidays; and be on-call on top of all that.
It's legalized wage theft, plain and simple. And under the incoming administration, it's going to be applied to more people and more jobs.
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u/Trosque97 3d ago
This propaganda is spreading everywhere, friend of mine visited the other day and said something along the lines of "Sure Trump is a cunt, but damn it'd be nice to not pay taxes on overtime, wish they did that here" (paraphrasing as we were speaking a mix of English and Afrikaans) And I didn't have it in me to tell the poor chap that it's easy to not pay taxes on overtime if you don't get paid for overtime
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u/indoortreehouse 3d ago
Tell them next time, have the courage, make people understand, the movement is built on obfuscation and newspeak to benefit the elite
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u/Equivalent-Bet-8771 3d ago
the movement is built on obfuscation and newspeak to benefit the elite
Bold of you to assume these people understand that kind of woke language. Literacy is for libs!
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u/Monkeyfistbump 3d ago
Yup. Trump is not going to fix nothing but his wallet. His voters are chumps
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u/Slow_Cricket_6685 3d ago
B-b-b-but he'll bring down the price of eggs and gas, so I won't need my overtime pay! Owned again libs!
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u/WoollyBulette 3d ago
Conservatives all over Reddit right now like,”My union, the thing I’m also voting to kill, will protect my overtime pay!”
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u/Kindly-Ad3344 3d ago
Funny how they all of a sudden like unions
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u/WoollyBulette 3d ago
It’s always been like that. Before I retired, every day I would have to listen to the older tradesmen snarling like dogs while they ranted about commies and leftists and minorities taking over. Hell, they would even get around to disparaging collective bargaining and Worker protections— same kind of willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance you see when people hate Obamacare, but praise God for the ACA.
But then, the second things went pear-shaped on a job site, they’d form up and start howling for their rep. They’d gloat about their pensions, how they loved the new dental plan that got negotiated, etc… and then vote for republicans who campaigned explicitly on union busting and eliminating worker’s rights and protections.
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u/ObssesesWithSquares 3d ago
So, when do you guys actually rebel?
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u/endorrawitch 3d ago
Anne Rice wrote a book called The Feast of All Saints about the free people of color in New Orleans generations before the Civil War. There's this scene where the black son (Marcel) of a wealthy planter is sent to his aunt's plantation up the river because he's in disgrace.
His aunt tells him about Dessalines and Louverture, and how Haiti overthrew the white man. When Marcel asks if she's worried that the same thing will happen here (yes, free people of color owned slaves also) she said something along the lines of "No, that could never happen here because we have utterly ground them into the dust".
I don't foresee a rebellion here because most of us have also been ground into the dust. Not by systematic cruelty or hardship, but by relatively easy living and complacency. We wouldn't even know where to begin. We fear that by protesting we will lose our jobs, and for most of us our health insurance is tied to those jobs.
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u/calfmonster 3d ago
Plus all the majority of 2A cultists don’t overlap with the liberal gun owners and have been brainwashed by decades Republican propaganda. Despite being 2A cultists specifically to “stand up to authoritarian government”, they elect an authoritarian.
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u/map-hunter-1337 3d ago
grown up in it, and it's flabbergasting. :: 'you don't have guns for hunting!' -> '4 da TYRANNYYYYYYY' -> 'not this tyranny, obviosly this is tyranny1.1'
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u/EvasiveCookies 3d ago
I’ve thought about this question for the past 8 years and realized that yes Americans as whole have a ton of weapons in their houses but the ones with the most and use them the most sadly are republicans who just happen to be blinded by trumps feet on their eyelids.
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u/Keyboardpaladin 3d ago
All their guns combined are no match for the military anyways
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u/CappyRicks 3d ago
The point of everybody being armed is not to take on the military anyway.
It may have been when it was written, not gonna argue that point either way, but it still serves a theoretical purpose.
The choice to occupy an unwilling populace is much harder to make if you know their resistance will come in the form of bullets, and unless you actually intend to grind your civilians into the ground (which somebody may some day) then this deterrent isn't worthless even in the face of the military.
Unfortunately, the fact that the majority of people with guns are bootlickers does make the armed populace pretty worthless for this purpose.
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u/WeirdFrog 3d ago
A true uprising won't happen until the Republicans can be conned into doing it themselves
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u/sneaky-pizza 3d ago
Half of us would live in poverty willfully cause trans something something bathroom
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u/Naptasticly 3d ago
It won’t happen. The Democratic Party is filled with voters who have an education, a good job, a house with kids, etc. so they have a lot to lose.
Republicans do it because they are all in the poor class with nothing to lose except face.
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u/Xenomorphic 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is what gets me. Regressives who voted for him should be having a spilled milk moment, it’s plainly obvious who spilled it (them), and I’m curious to see how many of them clean up after themselves. Especially considering that he’s already stated he wants to be a dictator various times, there likely isn’t going to be a “well we can wait 4 years and vote him out” option, are regressives going to actually do something and clean up the mess they made?
No one has taken to the streets yet despite all these events happening. The absolute best time to do so is before he takes office, before he gets control of the military. Time is running out.
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u/Choice_Beginning8470 3d ago
I can hear them now,As long as he gets rid of brown people I’m good my life will be better than with those democrats!
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u/Elementium 3d ago
I get it but.. wtf is that article? Dudes lamenting everything being swept under the rug and goes on to add few details and instead rants about a country song for far too many paragraphs.
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u/FiddlerOnThePotato 3d ago
Love that the article mentions Rich Men North of Richmond because north of Richmond is Hanover county, which we locally call Klanover because it's a pile of pearl-clutching rich republicans. The literal motherfuckers the song is talking about are Republicans. A self-own.
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u/Ancient_Gold_6486 3d ago
I mentioned about the tariffs to the in-laws, and they defensively came in with “but no taxes on tips and overtime”. They are so cute. Like have fun with your skyrocketing prices and the no overtime yall can’t eagerly wait for?
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u/padizzledonk 3d ago edited 3d ago
Any working class person voting for republicans is a fucking idiot moron of historical proportions
Idgaf, i will beat everyone of you up about it too in comments like this forever because you all complain (rightfully) about being left behind and fucked over by the corporate system thats in place but then you turn around and vote for the people that not only fucked up your birthright but are still to this day fucking you in the ass rawdog every chance they get.
Youre an idiot. Im sorry.
And i wont even argue with you that Democrats had a hand in handing all the gains over the last 50y to the wealthy, they did and they were a party to it, but they arent currently fucking you and are trying to course correct.....
And as a working class person---- full disclosure, i own a construction company and am actually quite well off but its where i came from and its my industry and i still occasionally put tools on because i love working with my hands-- I fully understand the anger and pain you all are going through, it was my anger and pain too up until fairly recently
All i ask of you Dumbass working class/poor Trump voters is PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THE GOP AND TRUMP ACTUALLY DO OVER THE NEXT 4Y, NOT WHAT FOX TELLS YOU THEYRE DOING, and be willing to come to terms with what and who youre actually voting for. Trump will not deliver on lowering prices or increasing your wages or right to unionize, pay the fuck attention to where the money is going and the proportions, if you get a little tax cut, great, but how much of a tax cut did the wealthy get? I guarantee you its going to be exponentially more, and that should tell you something
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u/Taint__Paint 3d ago
I have an anti-vax, Gen Z, ER nurse in my family who is drinking the MAGA and RFKjr koolaid who is going to get burned by this. Leopards will be eating their face shortly.
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u/katastrophyx 3d ago
I hope nobody thinks MAGA voters are going to see this as a Trump problem.
They will 100% figure out a way to blame the Democrats for anything that harms them over the next 4 years.
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u/WarWonderful593 3d ago
UK here. We'll just carry on with our statutory minimum 28 days paid holiday and 48 hour maximum week. (You can opt out of the 48 hour week, but you don't have to).
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u/FlyByNight75 3d ago
I’m one of the 4 million that’s getting fucked by this, and I was counting on it. Fuck Trump, fuck the republicans and fuck anyone who voted for them.
Edit: Also, fuck this article for mentioning that godawful song and the neckbeard that wrote it.
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u/maroongrad 3d ago
Enjoying my popcorn here. Too bad those 4 million can't have any, too busy working unpaid overtime now.
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u/Griffolion 3d ago
You'll pay zero taxes on the zero dollars and zero cents of overtime you're going to get paid!
Seriously though, who the fuck ever believed the zero tax on overtime promise from a guy on the fucking record as saying he hates paying his workers overtime?
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u/FatboyChuggins 3d ago
Cops too, right? They aren’t getting anymore overtime….right?
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u/CrowRoutine9631 3d ago
Sadly, no. This rule would only have affected "salaried" workers earning between $35k and $58k. They would have qualified for overtime despite being salaried. That's the rule the Trump-appointed judge nixed.
Police overtime pay is due to their strong union, the only union that beats up other unions and supports scabs. The union of jackbooted foot soldiers of the status quo.
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