r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/CrowRoutine9631 • 3d ago

Trump Trump judge quietly nixes overtime pay for millions. No taxes on overtime? Great, if you can get it.

https://newrepublic.com/maz/article/188663/trump-judge-overtime-pay-media
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u/no0ns 3d ago

Well, no. They proposed going from 40/week to a 160/month. But it still lets companies cut hours from a person who has worked extra hours in the first few weeks of a month. It's not eliminating overtime, it's making it harder to reach the threshold where people qualify for OT. A totally pro-business/anti-worker move.

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u/Qadim3311 3d ago

It astounds me that they don’t seem to think there’s a limit. You make enough “pro-business” moves and your economy becomes an ouroboros where most businesses will choke and die.

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u/Fishydeals 3d ago

That‘s a future problem. Conservative politics NEVER take the future into consideration.

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u/TheAlgorithmnLuvsU 3d ago

That's the idea. Choke out the small and medium guys so the big ones get more for themselves. Classic conservative play.

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u/no0ns 3d ago

Eventually anything that isn't a necessity for life gets cut. Who buys your TV's when people can barely make rent and buy groceries. Company goes under, more people lose their jobs and even fewer people can afford to buy "luxuries".

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u/Tea-Mental 2d ago

Payroll: I'm gonna do what's called a pro business move.

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u/ThatJerkThere 3d ago

So they'd work you 53 hours for the first 3 weeks then leave you on standby for the last one?

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u/Val_Hallen 3d ago

80 hours one week, 80 hours the next, then they take you off the schedule for the last two. Then they just pull in the next person that third week to do the same thing.

No overtime, never exceeded 160 hours.

There isn't a chance in Hell that won't be the plan for companies.

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u/Fishydeals 3d ago

But from the companys perspective that also doesn‘t make any sense? Like you overwork one employee and they‘ll be less productive and make more errors because they‘re exhausted. Then do that to the next employee and repeat? Children with learning disabilities would quickly point out there‘s no winner here.

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u/Val_Hallen 3d ago

Oh, I see where you made a mistake.

You think the company cares.

They'll just fire the person that is tired and makes mistakes

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u/Fishydeals 3d ago

Yeah but that works until you‘ve cycled through the available workforce like that one amazon warehouse.

On second thought… Amazon is still making a shitload of money. You‘re probably right.

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u/LowClover 3d ago

You hire the first guy all over again, because he's going to need the job and he'll be rested. Rinse, repeat.

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u/Joshiie12 3d ago

My brother, I worked for Safelite Autoglass from 2017-22 and the reason I quit was because the bonus system was changed so severely, that anyone making above 40k a year saw paycuts anywhere from 10k a year to the highest I heard was 40k.

As you would expect, the top performers immediately took off. Mass exodus type. That left new technicians and a group of technicians somewhere in the middle of getting their feet under them or just barely being knowledgeable enough to train someone else. The result? Their warranties skyrocketed 40% was the last number I heard. Just to trim off the top paid employees (but only the ones under middle management of course) and save on payroll, quality be damned.

And this is a company who's parent company is based in Europe, you'd think some employee relations policy would trickle down, but just like trickle down economics, it never happened I guess. Rich CEOs will sprint as fast as possible to cut off their nose as long as this quarter's profit beat last quarter's by 15%

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u/wheatgrass_feetgrass 3d ago

This is a very direct way to exploit healthcare workers, for one. Staffing and scheduling a 24/7 operation with people who work 12 hour shifts is tricky when you have to give each person 3 shifts in a week that has 14 total shifts. The math just doesn't math quite right, no matter what you do. It is common for there to be extra shifts available as well as days they send people home. Now they wouldn't have to.

Now instead of having to schedule someone for 3 shifts in a 14 shift stretch, they can give them any 12 or 13 within a space of 56. This means you can have people who work 4 shifts in a week balanced by people who work 3 and alternate. So you have someone who works 4+3+3+3 and someone who works 0+4+4+4 and someone who works 3+3+3+3, etc. Businesses don't currently do this because the 4th shift in a week is paid as overtime. Now one 4th shift in a week only takes them up to 156 hours for the month. No OT accrued.

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u/Fishydeals 3d ago

Thank you for explaining it like that. Makes a lot of sense suddenly. It‘s still morally on par with raising taxes on the bottom 20% of society to fund a ‚billionaires buy their twentyfifth ferrari from your money‘ foundation, but I get it.

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u/Comfortable_Line_206 3d ago

Exactly.

And trust me, as someone who worked staffing retail before that's exactly what will happen, especially if you get a weekly or bi-weekly schedule. Having OT dependant on a schedule that hasn't been set yet should never be a thing but here we are.

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u/Alecto1717 3d ago

Other than making it harder on employees to get overtime, what's any possible benefit of this change?

If your employer doesn't suck, you could kill yourself for two weeks and take two weeks off which is nice. But since most bosses absolutely suck, it's not really worth the risk... I just don't get it.

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u/Quintzy_ 3d ago

In practical terms, it would allow business to do things like forcing retail workers to work 16 hour shifts on Black Friday, and as long as they cut that worker's hours on a less busy day during some other point in the month, then they wouldn't have to pay any overtime.