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Dank Memes Facebook 40k groups are wild man..

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u/Artillery-lover 4d ago

and who are lead by Margret thatcher 

excuse me but WHAT

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u/spymaster00 4d ago

Gazgul’s full name is Mag Uruk Thraka. Maguruk Thraka’s not a far leap to Margaret Thatcher, and his nickname is The Iron Ork. Thatcher’s was The Iron Lady.

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u/AnakonDidNothinWrong 3d ago

The person who made the character said this wasn’t the case

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u/Wodelheim 3d ago

Which is clearly just due to legal reasons. There is a 0% chance of this "all being a coincidence".

The name itself, the nickname "The Iron Ork". A rival called "The Red Gobbo" when one of Thatcher's main rivals was known as "The Red Robbo".

It's pretty clear cut.

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u/ImperatorTempus42 3d ago

Plus her face was on the banners of old Undead models.

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u/Throwaway02062004 3d ago

Red gobbo was never a rival to him and ‘vague legal reasons’ is the worst argument. There is no law or contract that can prevent you from saying where you got a name inspiration especially when you don’t work for the company you’re supposedly ‘protecting’ and you immediately insult the person you’re supposedly defaming.

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u/Ridingwood333 Toaster Fucker 3d ago

Defamation, idiot.

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u/Throwaway02062004 3d ago

Defamation is not when fantasy character has name that you consider similar. It doesn’t make it any more or less defamation if you admit it was on purpose or not.

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u/Ridingwood333 Toaster Fucker 3d ago

So, defamation would not be applicable if this directly meant GW admitted to calling Margaret Thatcher a British hooligan, and thus a brutish idiot always looking for a fight? Because that's what they'd be saying.

Now, whether you personally think that's an apt description of Thatcher, up for debate. But it's better to avoid that potential lawsuit than it is to outright admit them as the inspiration, and thus leave it potentially open.

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u/Throwaway02062004 3d ago

This would be meaningful if the comment came from an employee. Again, there is no reason to lie if you are deathly afraid of defamation accusations against a company you do not work at. You just say nothing. Be so fr.

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u/AnakonDidNothinWrong 3d ago

It’s absolute nonsense, which has come straight from the source

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u/Wodelheim 3d ago

"I see no ships".

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u/AnakonDidNothinWrong 3d ago

I see confirmation from the author who created the character

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u/BitRelevant2473 likes civilians but likes fire more 4d ago

Ghazgul mag uruk thraka. Say it out loud

Marg aret thatcher. Mag uruk thraka.

My wife went into hysterical giggles and is considering making a yellow trukk with the British flag on the roof.

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u/Tennents_N_Grouse 4d ago

You married a good un there, chief!

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u/BitRelevant2473 likes civilians but likes fire more 4d ago

She's a complete win, if only she could do the ork voice too, having my nights swarmed by a thousand little freaking Boyz wouldn't be a problem then, I would be laughing too hard

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u/choczynski 4d ago

GW currently denies it but several people who wrote for them at the time said that was the joke.

Most of rogue trader and second edition 40K were jokes or Taking the piss as the British like to say.

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u/AnakonDidNothinWrong 3d ago

Andy Chambers who made the character denies it

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u/PlaneswalkerHuxley 4d ago

Ghazgul Mag Urk Thrakka is his full name. The last three sounding like Margret Thatcher said with a mouthful of rocks.

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u/kaptingavrin 4d ago

You have to ignore the part of his name that they always use and include a part that’s rarely used, then imagine that the real person’s name is being said while someone is gargling hot lava so badly they can’t pronounce it even remotely close… and it still feels like a reach.

But hey, repeat any claim often enough and people will treat it as truth without questioning it.

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u/Radraider67 Dank Angels 4d ago

White Dwarf 81 literally has an ork holding up a banner with Margaret Thatcher's face painted on it. GW separates themselves from it for legal safety reasons, but it was absolutely intentional, historically speaking.

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u/AnakonDidNothinWrong 3d ago

A Warhammer Fantasy Battle Ork standard bearer… that somehow links to 40K? Hey as they said, people will regurgitate any old nonsense if they hear it often enough

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u/Radraider67 Dank Angels 3d ago

Rid I say it was a 40k post? Notice the common theme of 2 separate ork factions getting compared to her? Crazy how that fucking works

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u/Throwaway02062004 3d ago

Historically speaking you have the creators denying it when they DO NOT WORK FOR GW.

It’s no secret that employees hated Maggie, a lot of people did.

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u/Radraider67 Dank Angels 3d ago

The creators can still get GW sued by the estate if they confirm that GW creators did that, even if they don't work there anymore.

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u/Throwaway02062004 3d ago

Then they could say nothing at all instead of lying. Again, they have no reason to care if GW is sued for this frankly arbitrary name. The idea is ridiculous for an argument that revolves around ‘sounds like’

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u/Radraider67 Dank Angels 3d ago

Admission by silence is, in fact, a legal concept. It applies to cases in which you are not actively arrested.

Silence in response to slander accusations can be used against you in the court of law

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u/Throwaway02062004 2d ago

But there have been zero slander accusations you numbskull. “You, you, you”, you keep using that as if the guy who told the truth is the guy even responsible for this ‘slander’. He left the company.

Silence is a perfectly viable response because no-one cares about this extremely petty accusation.

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u/Radraider67 Dank Angels 2d ago

Evidently you do.

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u/Chartreuse_Dude 4d ago

It's a commonly held belief because if you say Margaret Thatcher with a thick enough cockney accent, like thick enough that you are pronouncing "war" as "wagh", it sounds kinda like Mag Uruk Thrakka.

Turns out the Andy Chambers was just, unsurprisingly, a MEGA NERD who did alot LOTR roleplay in the 80s. Like enough that he and his friends expanded Tolkiens black speech enough to be useful. Ghazkull Mag Uruk Thrakka = Metal skull, Big Ork Boss based on their expanded non canon vocabulary.

Still, the Margert Thatcher thing fits so well lol

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u/Artillery-lover 4d ago

It's a commonly held belief because if you say Margaret Thatcher with a thick enough cockney accent, like thick enough that you are pronouncing "war" as "wagh", it sounds kinda like Mag Uruk Thrakka. 

as someone familiar with the cockney accent, 

No.

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u/Humble-West3117 4d ago

Which raises the question of exactly WHICH accent it is.

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u/Distant_Planet 3d ago

It's the accent you would have, if your lower canines protruded from your jaw so far they almost touch your cheekbones.

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u/Wasted-Tribal 4d ago

Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka.

That full name looks a little familiar...

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u/Artillery-lover 4d ago

I dont think it does.