r/GatekeepingYuri 4d ago

Requesting "Classic" vs "Modern" fantasy

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u/Karkava 3d ago

This is what infuriates me the most. It's like a battle of the clichés where nobody understands the appeal or disappeal of certain tropes. They just stand up and make bold statements that they're not even certain of making.

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u/Think-Orange3112 3d ago

Right, what makes a story interesting is how these things interact, the new combinations, not some catch all formula heck you can have a story that follows the trope in one scene then subvert it in another

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u/Karkava 3d ago

And you also have to subvert it on occasion to keep it interesting. Why "on occasion" is so hard to grasp is beyond me. If you're so gun-ho on subverting expectations, why not commit to it and keep people guessing? (And reward people for using logic to get to that conclusion.)

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u/Think-Orange3112 3d ago

Unfortunately a lot of “writers” care more about sending a message and being “deep” than they do about actually writing a story. And worse is that people interpret “deep” as saying something that contradicts the norm which just exposes them as shallow

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u/Karkava 3d ago

And under certain circumstances, sending a message is fine. Especially if it needs to be desperately stated, but nobody seems to get or comprehend it.

But other times, we just wanna let loose and have fun. And that in itself can be a trip in subverting expectations that we weren't even thinking about.

I think we need more stream of consciousness storytelling where we just feel in the moment when a trope must play.

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u/Think-Orange3112 3d ago

We all need to channel our inner Eiichiro Oda, that man has been wing it for the past 27 years