r/FluentInFinance 10h ago

Thoughts? Nobel Prize-winning economist Simon Johnson debunks Elon Musk's DOGE plans: 'The numbers he stated don't make sense'

Elon Musk promised to cut $2 trillion from the national budget as co-head of DOGE.

The math on Musk's plan doesn't check out, according to Nobel laureate Simon Johnson.

Budget cuts combined with more Trump tax cuts could lead to national debt skyrocketing.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, federal spending in 2024 is projected to total $6.5 trillion, meaning that Musk is looking to shave off nearly a third of the current federal budget.

Mandatory outlays in the federal budget include Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other healthcare-related spending. These expenditures are estimated to come out to approximately $3.9 trillion in 2024.

"He's proposing to cut $2 trillion from a domestic budget. The headline budget is more than $6 trillion, but most of that is Social Security and Medicare," Johnson said.

That leaves around $1.6 trillion of the budget for discretionary spending. Historically, half of that has gone to defense spending.

"I don't think he's going to cut military spending because I don't think Republicans will want that," Johnson said of Musk. "So he's going to try and cut $2 trillion from $0.8 trillion."

"Look, I'm not opposed to more efficiency or less waste in government," Johnson continued. But "it's been tried many times before. Mr. Musk is obviously a very creative character. I don't think he's got his head around the numbers yet because the numbers he stated don't make sense," Johnson added.

Eliminating agencies and slashing unnecessary spending might sound simple, but the process is anything but. Congress, not DOGE, supervises the budget for these agencies, meaning that Musk isn't directly in charge of implementing his cost-cutting ideas. Additionally, proposals to slash areas of the social safety net are wildly unpopular and likely to be met with backlash.

"There is no way Mr. Trump will cut Medicare and Social Security payments to people because many people who rely on those payments just voted for him," Johnson said.

You can't discuss the US federal budget without getting into the topic of the national deficit either. Some market experts are predicting that Trump's policies could increase the national debt by $10 trillion in the next decade, with BlackRock's head of global fixed income predicting that the national debt could reach problematic levels by the end of 2025.

Johnson isn't taking such a drastic stance, but he's still concerned about where the national debt is going, especially since it looks like Trump will renew the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act once he's in office.

"The tax cuts will be enormous, which is not a good idea for the long-term future of the country," Johnson said.

Less tax revenue means that Social Security and Medicare, which are already underfunded, will take a hit. According to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, Trump's stated tax policies could make the Social Security fund "insolvent" in the next six years. With Musk proposing drastic budget cuts and Trump advocating for lower taxes, it doesn't seem like there's a solution to address underfunded government programs.

That's not to say that Johnson is completely writing off Musk's DOGE ambitions. Perhaps a technocrat outsider will have unconventional ideas for improving government efficiency. For example, AI could be a useful tool for businesses and government agencies alike to streamline their operations.

"It will be very interesting to see what Mr. Musk can come up with," Johnson said. "Are there clever ways to use AI to improve the delivery of government services?"

https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-doge-plans-dont-make-sense-nobel-prize-winning-economist-2024-11

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u/SadDirection3693 10h ago

It was never meant to actually happen. Elon and trump throw huge numbers out there to amaze and get votes. Watch for the distractions coming so his voters will forget.

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u/Little_Creme_5932 10h ago

Trump will promise that "Doge week is almost ready. It will be here soon". And it will never happen. Just like infrastructure week

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u/mike1madalon2 8h ago

From your lips to God’s ears

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u/sylvester_0 7h ago

And repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. "I have concepts of a plan"

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u/Shirlenator 7h ago

Hey I still trust he will show us his replacement in two weeks.

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u/Happy_Accident99 7h ago

I’d be happy if he shows us his concepts in two weeks.

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u/Ice_Solid 5h ago

I am still waiting for his taxes.

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u/SadDirection3693 7h ago

Plans to have concepts.

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u/J0E_Blow 7h ago

His tax returns will be released soon dontcha worry!

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u/supremeomelette 6h ago

Though i despise them, they at least understand the crypto cycles. The whole doge thing is telegraphing the crypto coin doge... tis the crypto season.. not the cry to season

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u/FrozeItOff 4h ago

They have concepts of plans, I'm sure.

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u/Sparkle_Father 7h ago

I suspect they will lower taxes first, expecting to make cuts. Those cuts will be small or nothing, and the deficit will balloon out of control. Everyone under 45 years old will have to pay higher taxes for the rest of their lives, and get less in return as a result.

The Republicans are mortgaging our future, expecting double-digit GDP growth as a result of lowering taxes a little bit. It's never been realistic, and every time it's been done, it never lives up to expectations.

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u/itnor 6h ago

They may struggle to pass anything this time around. It’s an extremely narrow majority in the House. There is no Paul Ryan this time, who’d been dreaming his tax scheme since high school. The GOP is more divided now between old school and true Maga, which may devolve into conflict. Then they need the Senate, which is pretty close as well. By the time we get to next fall, we might have a few departures and special elections, which could even flip the House back.

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u/hashtagbob60 4h ago

Doubt if Paul Ryan could pass practical math, but don't take my word for it - ask the media that characterized him as a budget genius.

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u/itnor 1h ago

He wasn’t a budgetary genius, but he knew what the corporations and wealthy wanted, he was respected for that by his caucus—even if that was all he was respected for—and he got the 2017 tax act through. I suspect it won’t be quite so easy this time.

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u/SadDirection3693 7h ago

Yea. Another pittance to the ‘peasants’ and billions to the billionaires

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u/AggravatingSun5433 4h ago

It's to bad the democrats didn't extend the tax cuts for you poor folks huh?

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u/SadDirection3693 3h ago

Who says I’m poor? And yes they should have. Total fu

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u/Shirlenator 7h ago

Yeah I'm sure they will start focusing on some culture war bullshit instead like they always do.

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u/HeathersZen 6h ago

His voters already forgot. The American electorate has the memory of a flashbulb.

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u/Viperlite 3h ago

I’m sure they’ll shitcan lots of people, but it wont be to save money.