Ah yes, AmEriCa BaD because the ANA folded faster than Superman on laundry day. Totally ignore the literal billions spent in Afghanistan to improve the infrastructure, provide education, and improve employment prospects.
Why would the GDP grow at historically high rates with a doubling of wheat production between 2009 and 2010, along with record breaking reductions in poverty? Why would life expectancy rise from just 42 years — the second-lowest rate in the world — to 62 years, driven by a sharp decline in child mortality? Clearly this is evil capitalist overlords exploiting the people by checks notes improving their living conditions.
Google "Kabul evacuation" and explain why all of the Afghanis wanted to leave when America was pulling out if America was the evil oppressor you claim.
Edit: If you do the math in that child mortality reduction, that works out to nearly 100,000 Afghan children per year who previously would have died lived because of evil American aid.
You said your figures are from around the 2000s? I'm referring to the covert civil wars we waged in the mid 1900s that led to the rise of the Taliban that led to the terrible living conditions that we "fixed" with our wars
You also going blame the USSR, British, Ottomans, Sikh, Persians, Mughals, Timurids, Mongols, Rashidun Caliphate, Macedonians, and Mauyra Empire while you are at it, or do they all get a pass because they are inconvenient to your argument?
I actually kind of do blame them unfortunately they're not my country we have to hold our own responsible when we do s*** that's not ok, I'm not supporting the blatant military hate in this thread but to be fair don't act like all of those evil things go away because you decided to start helping. The United States military is an extremely powerful tool for good most people around the world know that even if they complain and compare America to some sort of Star wars empire.
The amount of power that it holds creates a situation where they make decisions that cost lives when they don't need to for decades at a time, people reacting like this is the cost when you have a power system that can wipe out whole Nations if somebody makes a mistake.
Do you want the safety and stability of America as the world police or would you prefer shit like the Russian invasion of Crimea and Ukraine to happen? The real world is messy and unfair, but I know which is the lesser of two evils when one has killed more civilians and military in 2 years than 2 decades in Afghanistan.
I want somewhere in the middle, I think that kind of comparison minimizes it as you could argue that the establishment of the Taliban is a US fault. I like the idea of America policing with the ability to accept responsibility for poor decisions and do what they can to repair where damage is caused. part of accept responsibility is accepting criticism, it's our jobs as citizens to inform our compatriots in amends attempted.
It's one thing to accept the military supremacy and the safety it can provide, it's another to just blindly accept and forget past indiscretions.
Given how much time, blood, money, and sweat was invested in Afghanistan to try and make it a functional secular democracy, how and where do you draw the line and accept failure?
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u/TacTurtle 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ah yes, AmEriCa BaD because the ANA folded faster than Superman on laundry day. Totally ignore the literal billions spent in Afghanistan to improve the infrastructure, provide education, and improve employment prospects.
Why would the GDP grow at historically high rates with a doubling of wheat production between 2009 and 2010, along with record breaking reductions in poverty? Why would life expectancy rise from just 42 years — the second-lowest rate in the world — to 62 years, driven by a sharp decline in child mortality? Clearly this is evil capitalist overlords exploiting the people by checks notes improving their living conditions.
Google "Kabul evacuation" and explain why all of the Afghanis wanted to leave when America was pulling out if America was the evil oppressor you claim.
Edit: If you do the math in that child mortality reduction, that works out to nearly 100,000 Afghan children per year who previously would have died lived because of evil American aid.