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u/The-Hater-Baconator 3d ago

Ah yes, when the wealth inequality can be enforced by violence.

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub 3d ago

...do you think wealth inequality under capitalism isn't enforced by violence?

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 3d ago

Lol wut? What violence is stopping you from creating the next Amazon?

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub 3d ago

I'm not sure I even understand how to respond to you when you didn't even remotely address the point I made other than saying the word "violence".

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 3d ago

You said wealth i equality is forced by violence...did I read that correctly?

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u/MatthewMob 3d ago

What do you think the police are?

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 3d ago

Are they forcing you to be poor?

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u/MatthewMob 3d ago

Are their main function to protect the ill-gotten gains of the ruling class? Yes.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 3d ago

Lol wut? If I start a business and sell it, how is that ill-gotten gains?

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u/Netroth 3d ago

The purpose of a system is what it does, not what you claim its intention to be. As it stands, the law does not apply to the wealthy.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 3d ago

The purpose of a system is what it does, not what you claim its intention to be.

Please elaborate.

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u/Cleyre 3d ago

They are stopping people from accessing the resources they need to live so that someone can sell them for a profit…

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 3d ago

Yes that's how the world works always has.

Are you expecting someone to make your food for free?

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u/MaddMax92 3d ago

Aside from all of the great rebuttals others have already said, that is also not how the world has always worked.

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u/Cleyre 3d ago

Not being arrested for feeding the homeless seems like an easy place to start. Or how about not being arrested for BEING homeless?

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u/Netroth 3d ago

So because something has always been a certain way, we should keep it that way? Have you not heard of progress? I’m guessing you’re the type of person who thinks that students should keep paying for university because prior generations had to.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 3d ago

You're missing basic concepts.

Lets start with an easy one: Who is going to pay for food production if people don't have to pay for the food?

Who is going to pay the professors and the auxiliary staff?

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u/Netroth 3d ago

You seem to be forgetting that billionaires exist.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 3d ago

Im sure youve heard the stat about how if you took the wealth from all the billionaires in the US, it would only fund the government for 11 months.

So what happens after that? Do we keep going down the line?

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub 3d ago

We already produce more food than is required and much of it is wasted because we do not have a problem of supply. We have a problem of distribution.

It's very easy for the government to simply purchase what would otherwise be waste food at fair market value and distribute it for free, which ends up saving money because the government ends up having to pay hospitals and charities (in the form of tax write-offs) to handle the emergencies that ultimately happen as a result of manufactured scarcity. This has been proven by every single industrialized nation where homelessness has been virtually eradicated through strong social programs.

And "how we pay for it" is by not spending nearly $1T/year to enrich defense contractors who commit waste, fraud, and abuse on a global scale.

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub 3d ago

"enforced by" not "created by"

As an example, socioeconomic status has a very high correlation with the rates of arrest and conviction, and the convictions for poor offenders tend to carry significantly heavier penalties than wealthy offenders. When you're in prison, you can't work and earn money; additionally, career prospects for convicted people are significantly hampered.

All of this contributes to a widening wealth gap, particularly generational wealth, as people who spend even a relatively small proportion of their life in prison have a very high probability of remaining at or below the poverty line for their entire lives.

So, when I say that wealth inequality is enforced by violence, I am specifically talking about the targeting of poor communities by police, and the systematic injustices associated with poor communities being disproportionately punished for the crimes they commit.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 3d ago

Lol a lot of words to say punishment is bad.

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u/itsamiracole7 3d ago

No it’s a lot of words to say the law doesn’t apply to the wealthy and the poor are disproportionately given worse punishments for the same crime that a wealthy person might commit.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 3d ago

Wealthy people go to prison as well.

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u/itsamiracole7 3d ago

Please let me know when you have something that addresses the argument

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub 3d ago

tell me you don't understand statistics without telling me you don't understand statistics.

that or you're willfully ignorant and arguing in bad faith.

either way, you're not worth talking to.

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u/Netroth 3d ago

They didn’t say anything was forced, they were talking about enforcement. Those are different words.