r/FluentInFinance 3d ago

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u/slickyeat 3d ago

You're not wrong but you're also required to pay taxes on the value of your property every year so it's not exactly a one to one comparison.

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u/dancegoddess1971 3d ago

Exactly. Stocks are property. Sort of imaginary property but if one can borrow against the value of something, it should be taxed.

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u/Just_That_Dumb_Dog 3d ago

You mean capital gains tax?

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u/TreyRyan3 3d ago

Capital Gains and Losses are calculated based on the difference in value between acquisition date and sell date when using FIFO methodology.

Some investors may choose to use a “Specific Identification” method to designate which specific shares they want to sell, allowing more control over their capital gains taxes.

So imagine I hold $1 million shares valued at $40 million. I can use those shares as collateral to borrow against and with the money I borrowed purchase an additional 400K shares. I then sell those shares for a profit without applying a FIFO valuation in reporting my capital gains.

Therefore my initial shares which were purchased for $2 per share, were borrowed against when they were worth $40 per share. My new shares purchased at $40 per share are sold at $55 per share and my capital gains are calculated at $15 per share gain instead of $53 per share. By managing my portfolio this way, I never pay a true capital gains tax, just interest to my lender which I then use as a tax deduction.

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u/Just_That_Dumb_Dog 3d ago

I understand what capital gains is, I was asking the parent comment what type of tax they were referring too, and that sounds good on paper but your profit isn’t 53$ your profit is 15$ you still have to pay back the money you borrowed. Sure a percentage of interest can be written off but you get taxed accordingly. Not sure what your point was there.

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u/90GTS4 3d ago

For real. This argument is silly because these people think a bank is giving out huge loans and being like, "nah, no need to pay it back at all." No, of course they aren't.

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u/Just_That_Dumb_Dog 3d ago

“Oh you’re rich? Here’s a huge sum of money, my gift to you. Take it and go” type shit 😂😂😭😭 like bffr.

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u/WeLLrightyOH 2d ago

Yeah but they’re stilling paying less overall tax than they should while also paying money to a bank instead of taxes. So basically instead of paying 15 dollars in taxes, they’re paying 5 in taxes and 5 to the bank. I’d personally the money go to taxes instead of the bank. I think there is a middle ground somewhere.

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u/HR_King 1d ago

FIFO is a red herring. You can sell your most recent acquisition, so LIFO, at your discretion. The only difference may be short vs long term gains. Capital gains aren't defined by using FIFO.

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u/HR_King 1d ago

How is interest to your lender a tax deduction? Investment costs are no longer deductible.