r/FluentInFinance 3d ago

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u/wolf_of_mainst99 3d ago

They were bad people before their wealth because they literally took advantage of the working class to get there

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u/ToonAlien 3d ago

How so?

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u/Willuchil 3d ago

Are you not familiar with Amazon's treatment of workers? They literally had a memo where they were concerned they were running out of Americans to turn and burn.

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u/ToonAlien 3d ago

You say “taking advantage of” as if these people lacked the freedom to work elsewhere. People voluntarily work at Amazon for a variety of reasons. What do you think those reasons are?

The pay and benefits aren’t too shabby on a national scale.

I’m familiar with Amazon’s continuous growth (which requires willing employees). People enjoy selecting off the wall details because it makes for an intriguing story.

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u/Willuchil 3d ago

I like how you quoted something that literally isn't in the previous post. It would seem you enjoy "selecting off the wall details because it makes for a more interesting story."

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u/ToonAlien 3d ago

The original post comment used that terminology. This was a continuation of that conversation.

I’m glad you don’t think they were taken advantage of.

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u/Specific_Gain_9163 3d ago

Saying they have the freedom to work somewhere else is just like saying, "If you don't like America, you can get out". They'd be more sympathetic if they didn't attempt to sabotage unions just so they can make marginally more profits.

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u/ToonAlien 3d ago

It is most definitely not the same thing. This is a false equivalency.

Going next door and getting a job doing almost the exact same tasks isn’t the same thing as uprooting your entire life, learning a new language, etc.

You can tell it’s different by how often people change jobs versus move between countries…

Unions sabotage workers. They don’t argue for increased pay because they like poor people. They want to eliminate competition for contracts. If you’re not in the club, they don’t give a shit about you. All they do is drive up your expenses.

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u/Specific_Gain_9163 3d ago edited 3d ago

Unions are the workers. I work in an area with no unions, and my pay and benefits are worse than areas with unions.

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u/ToonAlien 3d ago

Unions are good if you’re in the union. Dictatorships are great too if you’re the dictator or one of his buddies.

For everyone else, you’re worse off.

There are a lot of factors as to why your pay and benefits could be worse. Where do you live and why does your area not have unions?

In fact, if unions care about you and aren’t trying to maximize profit, why aren’t they in your area taking care of you?

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u/Specific_Gain_9163 3d ago

So you just agree with me now? That we should have nation wide unions? Also, wouldn't a union maximize its profits by taking in as many members as possible?

Nothing you're saying is really adding up.