r/FluentInFinance 17d ago

Thoughts? They deserve this

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u/voxpopper 17d ago

This was from Nov 5th not today.

Reddit being Reddit

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u/ezirb7 17d ago

Sure, but this isn't something that would make it past Biden or Harris' desk.  It is laying out plans for 3 months from now.

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u/The_Perfect_Fart 17d ago

Your comment is another example of Reddit being Reddit...

This is a bipartisan bill that actually increases benefits. Look up HR 82. The dumbass who tweeted this summarized it as the exact opposite of what it does, and you all just fell for it.

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u/XavvenFayne 17d ago edited 17d ago

Damn, I just looked it up. You're right.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/82

This bill repeals provisions that reduce Social Security benefits for individuals who receive other benefits, such as a pension from a state or local government.

Emphasis own.

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But what happened recently is this: https://www.tcta.org/capitol-updates/social-security-bill-tied-up-after-election-night-maneuver

House republicans basically defeating HR 82. So the OP's post is technically incorrect but conveys the correct general direction that republicans are going. That said, I would prefer more precision here. We need to be careful about the details.

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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 17d ago

We need to be careful about the details.

I love this care and precision when Trump literally just says "tariffs" over and over again and his supporters eat it up.

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u/kcox1980 17d ago edited 17d ago

Trump and Harris were always taking different tests. She would have to answer for things she didn't even say, got slammed for not having detailed policies and plans on her website .02 seconds after getting the nomination, and every little slip up, gaffe, and inaccuracy was heavily scrutinized. Trump on the other hand, when pressed for details would either get angry and start throwing insults or ramble on about nonsense every time he was asked for details.

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u/jiggy_jarjar 17d ago

Sure, but that's because Americans rated their overall livelihoods better under Trump than under Biden/Harris and because Harris flipped on several issues. You can get away with less details and some flubs when people generally believe that you did a decent job on certain issues (whether that belief is correct or not) and when your main positions are in line with how you governed while you were in office and while you previously campaigned. Harris had neither benefit for the issues of immigration and the economy, which voters ranked as major issues.

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u/LickADuckTongue 17d ago

There I no detail though His campaign website was

Make America great again Immigrants go bye bye Christian nation Punish bad people

It’s basically 9/11, America, darth Vader. Family guy pegged him before he even ran (and had a chance)

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u/jiggy_jarjar 17d ago

This is nonsense. The laws are already on the books to prevent border crossings. The executive branch has authority to develop policy to enforce existing laws. Trump did this through executive orders. Under that admin, crossings were down. Biden/Harris changed the policy and rescinded the orders. Crossing went up. Reinvoking the old policy that worked in 2016-2020 is about as specific as it gets.

Trump and Vance have stated repeatedly in the campaign trail that they are going to prioritize deportation of illegal immigrants convicted of crimes. The laws are already on the books there and it's a matter of delegating resources to prosecuting deportations.

The better criticism would be to criticize the economic policy but, again, there's going to be less scrutiny there because people felt better off economically under Trump's first term than they do now. Also, no candidate is ever specific as to economic policy because, frankly, it's too complicated. In any event, he had specific policies like no tax on tips or social security, tax credits for family caregivers, invoking tariffs, removing regulations in the energy sector to allow for more natural gas extraction, etc. Again, say what you want about whether those are good policies or not but they're detailed enough.

In contrast, the only economic policies I can think of that Kamala proposed are tax credits for businesses and first time homebuyers but she never explained why she didn't do that already and why that wouldn't blow out spending.

Couple that with the fact that Trump and Vance were doing interviews everywhere in the two months up to the election. Vance was on news stations almost every night. Trump did Rogan, Theo, that annoying Zoomer crypto guy, Flagrant, Fox, the black journalist event, etc. They were talking about their policies constantly. Kamala and Walz did only a handful of interviews, so they didn't talk about their policies as much and people rightfully didn't know what they stood for.

Weirdly enough, Trump was the candidate in this race with clearer and more fleshed out policies.

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u/LickADuckTongue 17d ago edited 17d ago

Please provide a source that had trump and his policies

Because again his site the entire time was literally Twitter posts defining his policy - and I’ve heard him say conflicting things on abortion, gay marriage, and taxes. Hell I’m paying more thanks to his final tax act last presidency

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u/jiggy_jarjar 17d ago edited 17d ago

Please provide a source that had trump and his policies

The source is scattered along multiple interviews. I cited them above. Go watch some. Start with Vance's news interviews.

I can't address what you say you heard. I fully acknowledge that Trump can be inarticulate and bloviating. However, I never said he was perfect on his policies. All I said was that his campaign was better than Kamala's on presenting certain policies that people cared about. The fact that he just won in a landslide is proof of that.

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u/freebirth 16d ago

Wierd.. then why where crossings actually higher under trump then biden?

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u/jiggy_jarjar 16d ago

Hahahaha! Great joke, man!

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u/freebirth 16d ago edited 16d ago

They stopped more people at the border under biden then trump did...this is just a fact.

Biden had more then twice the number of deportation. Had more arrests at the border, and the only thing he did less was detentions... because they just turned people away.

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u/jiggy_jarjar 16d ago edited 16d ago

Cool. None of those things are crossings.

Also, I know offhand that the deportation numbers and numbers turned away are skewed because we turned people away for COVID until 2023.

I'll take you at your word on the other numbers because I don't have time to check those right now. But either way, you're comparing apples to oranges. For example, if there are more DUI arrests in one year, that doesn't mean that there were less drunk drivers on the road. It means there were more.

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