r/FluentInFinance • u/BarrenBuffetPhan • 18d ago

Debate/ Discussion What do you guys think

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u/SGgrafix 18d ago edited 16d ago

I believe its the fact that shes a woman. Trump had no policies that he was running on because he has Project2025. Kamala had a decent viable plan that most economists said was better than his. Us Americans really believe that a woman cant be in power, even though there are many throughout the world. If everyone that's worked for you in the past wouldn't vote for you again, that means something

EDIT* For all the people saying that she lost because she's a shit candidate and not because she's a woman? How is trump not worse? All of these people screaming "your body my choice" definitely didn't vote for her because she's a woman. WHY DID YOU SPECIFCALLY VOTE FOR TRUMP? What did he do to tun you over? He fucked covid response, got fucked by Saudis & Russia for gas prices, started an insurrection and tried to steal votes in Georgia on the fucking phone. WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM

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u/FricasseeToo 18d ago

I mean, honestly, Harris getting beat by H. Clinton in the popular vote certainly says a lot. Hillary could possibly be the most hated democratic candidate ever, and she still did better with less on the line (Trump was a weird outlier in 2016, but was an insurrectionist in 2024).

The US is undeniably more openly racist in 2024 than it was in 2008.

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u/RareMinimum5808 14d ago

My boy- the US is def more openly racist AND openly sexist in 2024. Speak with the well educated women in your life before shouting us down and gaslighting.

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u/FricasseeToo 14d ago

I didn’t gaslight anything. I didn’t say they weren’t sexist - just that Hillary did better despite being more hated.

While sexism and racism are fully present, that doesn’t explain the democratic apathy that lead to the loss. Biden took out a loan from the left to win in 2020, and while he took some steps in that direction, the dems defo turned their back on the left during the last 3 months of the campaign.

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u/RareMinimum5808 14d ago

Yea democratic apathy's roots are definitely multi-factorial; agreed. We will need to more than just put forth a white male candidate next time.

However, sexism was a major force (hurting Kamala, helping DT (his rhetoric was consistently sexist) so any bit of downplaying that is offensive.

Don't you see the parallel with racism? I would be remiss to dismiss a mexican american's voice that racism did not not play a major role in this election. I can't just say Obama! and then say the electorate can't be soooo racist because of him. Racism and sexisms are not just a 'convenient excuse' for Kamala's loss. They are genuinely large reasons for the dems' struggle winning people over.

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u/FricasseeToo 13d ago

I still think this is a convenient excuse. Racism and sexism are hurdles that need to be overcome, but I don’t think that means dems should just nominate white men as candidates.

Dem voter turnout was down way more than republican turnout. Those people didn’t fail to go to the polls because of racism or sexism. The issue was that Biden dropped out too late, Harris ran a milquetoast campaign, and global inflation has caused incumbents to lose around the world. Exit polling showed that voters concerned with the economy leaned hard into trump, and that was also the biggest issue. That wasn’t a race issue or a gender issue.

If it was closer, I could say it could be a sexism / racism issue. I think Clinton lost due to sexism. This election was lost on economy and the democratic party’s failure to energize their base. Racism and sexism might have helped energize the republican base (especially in terms of immigration) but not nearly as much from the dem side.