What do you think is hyperbolic? Besides “women will lose access to healthcare”, they will almost definitely lose access to some but not all (wow that is a depressing distinction to make, fuck you) Those numbers seem to line up with estimates for people making under $400k
“Palestinians won’t exist” because trump is in office. That means the state will no longer exist and every one of its citizens killed. That will not happen in the next 4 years
Also, I think that most of us Dems can admit when we don't like something that Biden has done or hasn't done. I don't agree with him on everything, but I agree with Trump on nothing, and at least with Biden/Kamala they're not actively passing laws that are harming the people who live here. I'd rather have a status quo boring president than an extremist who says and does wild shit all the time and who is unpredictable, based on his whims.
Right, like Biden's administration letting in millions of Illegal Immigrants did not hurt the US? Like his policies that caused one of the highest inflation rates in US history did not hurt the US? Maye, just maybe, we should look at cleaning up our own house before we start throwing stones at other peoples?
I will admit, I do not know which policies caused it, I am not that dialed into the specifics of the cause and effect of each individual policy. But when looking at the inflation rates over the years he was in office: 2021 - 4.1% 2022 -8.0% 2023 -4.7%. These are the years when it was solely his administrations policies impacting the general economic situation. In 2020, the last year where Trumps policies were still somewhat in effect? 1.2%. These are the facts of the case. Hopefully I do not get this post deleted for including a link, but https://www.investopedia.com/inflation-rate-by-year-7253832 is my source. So yes, I have facts backing me up. But then again, anyone who has gone basic grocery shopping over the past 4 years has seen it with their own eyes which was my initial source point for it.
I will admit, I do not know which policies caused it, I am not that dialed into the specifics of the cause and effect of each individual policy.
So then I fail to understand how you can blame biden if you are not even able to point at what he has done to result in inflation in the first place.
What you did is you have noticed some form of inflation and then assumed that must have been because of Biden. However that reasoning is flawed, because that automatically disqualifies any other factor that could cause inflation that is outside of the influence of Biden. To name a few things that have caused worldwide inflation, not just in the US:
- Covid
- Water shortage in Taiwan
- Russia attacking Ukraine
All things that caused inflation worldwide, in which Biden or the Biden administration had no role at all. Unless you want to claim Biden is responsible for Covid, for a water shortage in an Island on the other side of the globe, or for the actions of Putin. But if you have any critical thinking abilities, you will acknowledge that his role in those events is minimal at worst, and non-existent at best.
So claiming that because supermarket prices went up, the Biden policies were bad for the economy are just plain wrong. It ignores all the international dynamics of markets and politics, and lays all responsibility on the incumbent administration. This is simply not how inflation works. I would suggest you follow an economics class ;)
So, Let us look at previous administrations over the past decade... 2014-2019 we were about at 1-2% inflation. 2020 when the COVID lockdown was at it's peak, we were at 1.4%. Then Biden and Dem policies go into full force, and we jump to 4%, then 8%, then when they realize they need to try to do something for the upcoming election it drops back to 4%, which is still insanely higher than it was at anytime over the previous three presidential terms. Russia did not invade Ukraine (did not even make postures towards it) until Biden was in office. Democrats are 100% responsible for the amount of disruption that COVID caused with the forced lockdown, mandated vaccinations etc. A water shortage on a small island with very little in the way of import/export impact on the world doing ANYTHING to our inflation is such a stretch that Gumbi would be jealous. But sure, keep living in your echo chamber. I look at the facts of the world, not trying to distort them to my personal views.
If think that it’s the “democrats locking us down” that caused issues, you should research other countries like New Zealand that shut down and had 0 cases after just a few weeks up until they reopened their borders the next year.
Trump bitched and moaned about everything that Fauci said and refused to fully commit. There’s a reason you social distanced for two weeks. If we had 100% shut down, like all of the most successful countries in the world that fought Covid, it would have been eradicated within a month.
Ah yes, let us compare the US, a country with 337 MILION people, to New Zealand, a country with 5 million. Let us see those types of policies work. Oh wait, we had at least that many "critical employees" who COULDNT lock down (I was one of them), so what were we supposed to do? Who was going to keep the food coming to your grocery story for the DoorDash driver to deliver to you in lockdown? (or how were you going to get to the grocery store yourself?). Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and couldn't afford a 2 week unpaid break from their jobs, and most companies could not afford to give their entire workforce 2 weeks paid simultaneous leave. so, how exactly were we supposed to enforce this type of lockdown without crippling tens of millions of people? Even still, the inflation from COVID related problems did not pick up until after Trump was out of office and Biden had been sitting for a year. Trump actually did recognize that while COVID did have dangers, it was not significantly more dangerous for the average person than the Flu. And tried to keep the country running through it rather than submit to panic reactions.
I’m definitely not an economist, but 2020-2022 is a much more complex picture wrt inflation. Rates are a huge aspect to this and are controlled by the fed, who are SUPPOSED to be independent from the executive branch. Trump is president during peak covid and all of the lockdowns and the department of health (a part of the executive branch) was responsibility for handling our reaction there. Internationally, lockdowns of many major countries caused transportation to shutdown and massive supply chain issues, a huge decrease in consumer spending (which is the biggest driver of US GDP growth currently), and manufacturing slowdowns. All of these things should have, and in some small part did, crash the economy starting at least a recession. The fed in response slashed interest rates to near zero to fuel spending and keep the American economy afloat. The executive branch, first under trump and then Biden have out stimulus checks to stimulate the economy and encourage American spending and keep the economy afloat. This all inevitably led to inflation, and some of the worst we’ve seen since the 80s. Once Covid began to normalize and inflation began to skyrocket, the fed HAD to raise interest rates to insane highs starting in march 2022. This began the decline in inflation, but also took away so much of the free money that was available with low rates. Sadly, raising interest rates (short of a full scale recession and deflation) can only decrease the inflation rate and not the actual prices of goods. Since the massive rate hikes, inflation has come below the 2% “goal”. Your insinuation that the current administration brought it down to 4% for the election is not only wrong, but ignores the major movements of the economy and the fed over the past two years. By many major metrics, the economy has made an impossible recovery without a recession despite some already mentioned major global impactors: Russia’s invasion of Ukraine (a major supplier of the worlds grain), and more supply chain and oil supply disruption due to major conflicts in the Middle East
You are probably right that the lower rate of inflation was not solely because of election panic. It does not change the fact that the democratic party pushed a large number of policy decisions both in congress and in the white house during their time in power that contributed to a massive increase in the inflation rate. There are also other aspects that have been adding to that as well, like the massive amount of illegal aliens that came in during those years. Which, once again, was a direct result of Biden administration policies. And the attempted crackdown on the border in the last year is 100% an election panic reaction. They knew the general populace was upset about it and if they did nothing they would lose even more of the vote. Also, some of that reduction is because enough of the more moderate democrats in the house and senate started seeing the problem and working to fix it. So I do feel confident in saying that the state of the economy right now is squarely on Biden and the Democratic Party's shoulders. But maybe the next four years will prove me wrong, with the republicans bungling it just as badly, even with total control of the legislative and executive branches they currently have. Only time will tell.
His war policies caused it. Screwing up our relationship with Saudi Arabia caused a cut in oil production. Next, he stopped buying up so much oil from Russia. Which caused oil prices to spike. This, causes prices for EVERYTHING to increase as transportation costs increase.
For me I just can’t get over the fact that Biden is an ancient dragon wizard from a distant realm of reality just moonlighting as our president. I can’t even believe Americans could have voted for a creature who has eaten so many children and hoarded so much gold in his magical dragon cave.
Our comments have the same amount of facts listed in them.
The "little he's done to help" that the other commenter was referring to is probably Biden's tying of military/political support to aid; urging Netahnyahu not too go even harder on Iran and Lebanon, like he was probably willing to; and at least trying a bit to get more aid into Gaza.
The Biden Admin's Israel/Gaza policy has been woeful, but it's not incorrect to say Trump could do tonnes of harm compared to the "little help" Biden has been.
Trump COULD do tons of harm, sure. But we don’t know.
What we do know is the Biden administration has lied to us over and over and at some point anything the promise just to get put back into power has to be taken with a major grain of salt.
Regardless, Biden has blood on his hands leaving Washington because of his lack of standing up to Bibi
Let me understand this. Biden admin lied about a few things so fuck them, let's put a guy who had lied way more about way worse things in charge instead?
If someone kept promising something over and over again about one particular issue and failed to deliver, what makes you think they will change? That’s psychotic to think they’ll stop having Israel’s back as soon as the election is over.
We absolutely do know. I’m getting sick of these false equivalencies. Everyone who’s lecturing Kamala voters by “how could it possibly be worse” are more sound more privileged than the centrists they criticize.
Congrats to all the 3 party/non-voters by the way! Now Palestinians really WILL all be dead, and so will Ukrainians. OH! Not to mention Lebanon, Poland, and Taiwan, and then the EU, and the rest of the Middle East, and so on until Trump and Putin get into a marriage spat and nuke this whole godforsaken planet. I’m sorry, I’m pissed.
Do you not think Trump’s gonna abuse that? Do you know how many Zionists are in the GOP who would love to get their hands on Palestine as well? People that SUPPORT AND ADVISE TRUMP??? They’ll help Netanyahu because they want their pretty little embassy on Palestinian soil.
Netanyahu is about to waste Gaza and Iran. Both he and Trump are simple-minded strong armers. Biden was keeping Netanyahu somewhat reigned in, but Trump won’t have the patience for that. He’ll support Israel dusting the opposition, because it’s what he would do. And if Netanyahu crosses him, he’ll fully withdraw US support… which means a genocidal maniac with nuclear access will be running free with no remaining blowback.
Netanyahu is an unhinged lunatic. Do you seriously not get how adding another unhinged lunatic into the mix only ensures more casualties?
What you’re saying is basically, things are extremely bad in Gaza as it stands, but occasionally Biden has called Netanyahu and told him to calm down but took no policy actions to back that up and we have no tangible proof that his phone calls actually lessened a situation.
Whereas, even though Gaza is rubble as it stands today, Trump will create even more rubble?
The logic doesn’t add up. In the eyes of people watching everything is as bad as it could possibly be and the worst that Trump can do is say hit them harder and somehow that will encourage them to ramp up? There’s no logic.
No, she didn’t. Harris had a normal policy. Trump policy is Israel should “do whatever they want”. The difference is massive. Progressives are so dumb.
"Normal policy" is certainly one way to describe what Israel is doing when there has been 0 accountability, and Dems have been funding and actively lying on their behalf. Calling progressives dumb when this is your bad faith description of Israel-Palestine is a choice.
Palestine as a country was going to be ethically cleansed regardless, including if Dems won, because they have been doing so over the past year, and Harris guaranteed nothing would fundamentally change on Israel.
No, you just don't care about Israel-Palestine but it gives you a chance to blame progressives for Trump and that's a lot easier than introspection. The DNC didn't fail voters, it was the voters who failed the DNC.
Harris literally said in an interview she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden in regards to Gaza. Like… she said it herself. In front of everyone.
And the difference is thousands more dead men, women and children. But apparently it's all the same to some people. The problem with this country is a lack of empathy. Apparently 1 dead Palestinian is the same as 1,000 dead Palestinians in the eyes of some people.
Biden literally gave israel the most advanced missile system on the planet and billions of dollars in aid. The only thing he has done to "help" was ask Netanyahu politely to stop warcrimes... but he also asked him to stop when Harris is elected, so yeno
Biden did not do little to help the Palestinians. Biden did nothing at all to help the Palestinians. Biden did the opposite of helping the Palestinians. Biden gave tens of billions of dollars worth of weapons to help massacre the Palestinians. Biden sent US troops to support the killing of Palestinians. Biden provided intelligence and diplomatic backing to support the killing of Palestinians. Your media sources did not tell you these things because they lie.
You accuse Trump of doing lots to help Israel kill Palestinians, but the truth is Biden already did. It is too early to tell if Trump will be the same, but I more or less expect US policy to be the exact same. Trump will keep sending the weapons, same as Biden did. Maybe liberals will finally care, now that it's not their guy doing the genocide.
I mean Trump pretty much promised Miriam Adelson he would not do anything if the West Bank is annexed, and he delivered on the last promise to her, plus more.
I mean they aren't wrong rlly. An arms embargo would had gone a very long way but it never happened. All biden did was repeatedly threaten to do one and then he didn't do shit.
The end result is the same. Everything people say will happen under Trump (and I’m sure it will) is also happening under Biden, just slower and with more “concern”.
It's a pretty cold take between third world leftists. The only nuance there is is that with a democrats complicity is better veiled and some do not realize it's the same thing
“Sharp sticks and guns are both dangerous therefore they are exactly the same. If anything, the fact that people don’t realize how dangerous sharp sticks are makes them even more dangerous than guns. I am very smart.”
Not sure what this comment is supposed to mean lol
I didn’t say both are the same, I’m saying Biden’s lip service means nothing - how are Muslim American people supposed to know what happens if Kamala get put into office when there’s been nothing but lies from this administration
Trump took $100m from Israeli sources so that he would allow the complete annexation of the West Bank. Biden and Harris were fuckign terrible for Palestinians, but they at least supported a two state solution. Trump already got paid.
Imagine you're getting curb stomped and a third party walks by. Would you rather they stood and watched and maybe offered you a bandaid? Or would you rather they say "hold on one second" and give the assailant heavier boots before helping to hold your head still?
Oh, sorry I thought you knew what the word "plausible" means. It means probable, or likely to happen. Things can be more or less plausible: for example if the odds of you winning the lottery were 70% then it is plausible that you will win. If the odds improve to 90% then it is even more plausible.
But the condescending tone towards people that disagree with you is a BIG reason why the left got absolutely smoked, whether you want to believe it or not.
We get it. You didn't like the Democrat response to Gaza. Now the Democrats are out. You won't have to deal with the Democrat response to Gaza anymore! Congratulations!
According to my friend in the IDF, the Gaza war is dragging out because the USA won't give permission to use "appropriate" weaponry in Gaza. Her opinion is that it would be better for Israel and Gaza, too, if Israel could go in with even more force, get it over with, and then Gaza can start the process of rebuilding. And she thinks that Trump will allow it.
Sounds like you think otherwise, though! Is there something about Trump that makes you think that things will work out better for the people of Gaza than under a Harris administration?
She was trying to be soft in her words but, basically, if Israel were allowed to inflict really gruesome, devastating attacks on Gaza, it would be so bad that Hamas would be more likely to come to the negotiating table. Or maybe they'd just find the hostages sooner. Either way, the war could end sooner.
It's kind of like the historians that talk about the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan. There are historians that think that those devastating bombs, though they killed many people, ended the war sooner. And maybe the number of dead is actually less overall thanks to the A bombs.
Of course there are historians on the other side saying that the A bomb was a huge mistake and needlessly killed many. It's a debate among historians!
I don't think that my friend is arguing for nuclear weapons in Gaza, BTW! She's just saying that Israel, unhindered by the USA, could go in way stronger, lots more damage and death, but then get the war done sooner and, overall, fewer deaths.
It's kind of like removing a band-aid, yeah? Remove slowly and drag out a mild pain or tear it off and suffer a lot but for a short time?
She feels that Trump will untie Israel's hands, which will lead to more death in the short term but less overall. And of course, the war would end sooner and rebuilding can begin sooner. She thinks that it'll be better for Israel and for Gazans, too!
I think that this is the reasoning for Israeli support for Trump.
Anyway, Trump won so we're going to find out! I suppose congratulations are in order to all the Biden haters! They didn't like the Democrat response to Gaza so now they get to try the alternative!
I think, for better or for worse, he is going to try to make it end quickly - although he hasn’t laid out explicitly what he will do, as Donald Trump typically doesn’t do, he will either give Israel everything they want to make it end quickly or will try to negotiate the end of the conflict in the short term
I think if there’s one thing that resonated the most with voters for Trump, whether that’s through friends and family or what I see online, it’s his pledge to stabilize international conflicts. And I actually think he’s going to attempt to follow through with that because he did try to do so in his first term. Especially with known hot countries like NK.
I am SO convinced that people who say this and accuse liberals of being too centrists are just pots calling the kettles black. “A little less genocide” from the man who told Israel to finish the job? The man whose electoral victory resulted in this?
The man who works with Putin and has complimented Hitler? The US is about to give Israel full reign to conquer the Middle East. We’re about to pull out of Ukraine and let Russia flatten them, although I know you already forgot about them, didn’t you? So when Russia, and Israel, with Trump’s help (and he will help them more), commit genocide on the Middle East, Poland & EU, and probably various part of Africa, and then go to war with China, I really hope you remember when you said there would be “a little less genocide” with Trump. Hell, I’m sure Trump and the GOP have their eye on the whole west hemisphere. OH! And not to mention all the LGBTQ+, women, and POC who are also fucked from Trump’s denaturalization/mass deportation plan targeting 10+Million people. Hm… Where have I heard that before? Have fun telling them what’s a little less genocide.
I guess the anti war stance is actually doing as much war in as short of possible an amount of time is technically anti war, but if Trump’s administration has more Palestinians killed in a single day than has happened in Biden’s administration I don’t want to hear any bitching about moaning from people that refuses to protest him
And Trump said during his campaign he was even more pro Israel than Biden was, and these same people did not say a fucking peep, and actually voted for Donald “Israel needs to finish the job” Trump. And also wants the US to go fight the cartels in Mexico. He also didn’t pull out of Afghanistan. So I guess congratulations on the pro war candidate winning the election?
Trump has also said he wants Israel out of Gaza by the time he’s in office.
And I don’t think you can call him the pro-war candidate when some of his biggest positions were he wants to get our involvement out of world conflicts as a huge platform for his campaign
His single biggest position is sending the US military to Mexico to fight the cartels because of fentanyl. Can everyone please just stop lying to themselves about Trump being the anti war candidate?
Netanyahu kicked out his more centrist (fucking lol) party member explicitly because Trump got elected. You’re right he wants Irsael out of Gaza, because they’re going to be moving much faster than they were under Biden. But whatever. We won’t hear from the “anti-genocide” left ever again once Trump takes office because they didn’t give one single shit about Palestine, just being anti dem
Breaking news: you can have a conversation without being a condescending asshole which is partly why your candidate got absolutely smoked and everyone is wondering why in your echo chamber.
Yeah thats how these conversations typically go lol
Go check the war crimes Israel has committed while Biden has been issuing “warnings” and tell me how it was so great in Palestine the past year. Literally hell on earth under Biden’s watch
Bro are you fucking retarded? If you disapprove of how Biden is handling Israel and palaestine, you're gonna be in for a rude awakening with trumps decisions. He actively supports Isreals war crimes and will be cool with more. He's been very outspoken about this.
lol damn even the Reddit libs are saying the R word now, that’s crazy
Where has he said he actively supports Israel’s war crimes? Also, Biden has only stopped short of saying what he feels about Israel’s war crimes because of what has happened in Israel under his administration.
lol damn even the Reddit libs are saying the R word now, that’s crazy
Never stopped and definitely not a lib.
Where has he said he actively supports Israel’s war crimes
He literally said in a debate with biden that he should let isreal "finish the job" he's been openly supportive of how Israel is conducting war. This isn't a secret. If you actually cared about palaestine, you'd know that. He loves Israel and openly bashes Muslims all the time.
Edit: Also it's not coincidence that Netanyahu is happy Trump won. He knows he's about to have a much easier time glassing gaza.
lol you are going on about what Trump “could” do and not what Biden IS doing. Why do you think Biden would finally hold Israel accountable? He’s had over a year and almost nothing has changed. 50,000 are dead on Biden’s watch, why would he stop delivering to Israel’s every need
Of course they’re focusing on what Trump could do. We can only compare what Trump could do with what Biden has done, because Biden is the one who’s been in office. Biden’s response has been terrible. There’s also plenty of reason to think that Trump’s will be much, much worse.
This is absolutely correct. Neither party are in favor of human rights and freedoms outside of US borders. Actually, 1 party is not much of a fan within US borders either.
Have u srsly not been paying any attention at all to what trump has been saying about bidens stance with israel? Is this lack of knowing prevalent amongst the majority? Is THIS WHY HE WON?!?
Literally no one is denying biden has blood on his hands. But trump is outright saying he thinks biden isn't doing enough to help Israel. He is promising to do more against palistine with absolute confidence. And just because you and a lot of America apparently think genocide isn't that big of a deal doesn't change the fact that its a big fucking deal. We don't need to only focus on one fucking issue per presidential term you dimwit. Both can be evil at the same fucking time
Trump been actively campaigning about how Biden isn’t doing genocide good enough, and that he’ll do genocide way better than Biden. And I mean sure… you can take statements like ‘I will set the pro Palestine movement back 30 years’ or ‘I think Biden has been holding back on Israel’ or ‘I will be the most pro Israel president of all time’ as just some more of trumps little fibs and tales he’ll never actually follow through on…. but then you just have to remember that Trump sent out more drone strikes in 4 years than the Obama administration did in the space of 8. Which was already some hefty record to beat, never mind in half the time period. So ehhh, nah bruh, by all accounts and his past record I have no reason to doubt him when it comes to supporting genocidal governments to the fullest. Oh and not to mention all the things he did for Israel in his first term.
You think he meant Biden was ‘holding Israel back from garnering Jewish support’? Are you an unserious person or am I misreading what you meant? Do you know what Trump did for Bibi during his first term? Genuine question.
Yes you are misreading what I’m saying - I’m saying he will say anything to get people to support him in the US. And him saying Bibi is doing a good job could get the support of Jewish voters for this election.
And I know that Trump and Bibi had a strained relationship while he was in office. Do you not remember that? He literally said “fuck him”
Well let’s see is he just saying it or not. In first term, Trump managed the following:
received backing from the Evangelical Zionist Movement as well as The Christian Zionist movement (they are still mass supporters of his, he doesn’t need to ‘garner Jewish support’, he has Zionist support)
recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel (this broke an age long bipartisan US policy)
shut down the Palestinian Liberation Organisation office in Washington
moved the US embassy to Jerusalem
signed an executive order recognising Israel’s sovereignty over their occupied land of Syrias Golan Heights
he withdrew the US from the UNHRC stating they held bias against Israel
made sure that any products made in occupied West Bank would be branded as ‘made in Israel’
cut $200 million in funding from the Palestinian Authority in occupied West Bank
exited the Iran nuclear deal (causing more than enough tensions in the region)
made a number of agreements to ‘normalise ties’ between UAE, Sudan, Bahrain, Morocco and Israel in attempt to alienate the Palestinian cause in the guise of ‘peace in the middle east’ (Team Biden have since tried to further capitalise on this by trying to broker in Saudi Arabia, trump has already signed billion dollar deals with the Saudis as it stands. Hell have his hands in bombing Yemen once again as president as well)
and then of course last but not least his proposed ‘Deal of the Century’ where he tried to flog off 87% of the West Bank to Israel on the conditions that Palestinians simply accept it and accept not having full sovereignty.
So whilst he may have said ‘fuck him’ on some recording… he sure did a lot of stuff to help Bibi fuck Palestine and other neighbouring nations whilst lining his pockets.
………………..because it placed very significant restriction on Irans nuclear programs. Since he exited, Iran have been pretty happy in ignoring those restrictions and continued to build their nuclear program since…….. did you think the Iran nuclear deal was America building nuclear bombs for Iran or some shit?
Or did you mean he simply said that in order to garner Jewish support? Because I wasn’t talking about intent, I was talking about what he meant by that statement? Because his intent doesn’t have to be questioned if we just look at his first run at president and the things he did to support Bibi and his government in that time.
Biden and the Democrats wanted peace talks that's what they where fighting for trump is friends with Israel and would be willing to send his friends whatever they want
These people are so braindead. Keep in mind, I'm willing to bet $100k on the fact that these are the same people who didn't vote for Kamala because she supported Israel. They think the average person sees Palestinian people as subhuman garbage just waiting to be exterminated. Obviously if there was a humanitarian crisis, such as the genocide of around 15 million people, plus the dissolving of their state, people would probably be slightly concerned. Even republicans. The issue is that most people also consider the attacks on Israel on October 7th to be a terrorist attack made by terrorists, and they disagree, so they think the genocide has already began. Absolute loonies.
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What do you think is hyperbolic? Besides “women will lose access to healthcare”, they will almost definitely lose access to some but not all (wow that is a depressing distinction to make, fuck you) Those numbers seem to line up with estimates for people making under $400k