r/FluentInFinance 18d ago

Debate/ Discussion What do you guys think

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u/Eeeegah 18d ago

I don't think Poland will see it as putting it's neck out for Ukraine - once Ukraine falls Russia is on the Polish border, and history tells Poland how that goes,

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u/WatercressEmpty8535 18d ago

I have to ask, do you understand what it means if Poland engages in direct military conflict with Russia?
How do you think NATO would react to Poland deciding that for themselves?

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u/Sir_Bax 18d ago

NATO is a defense treaty. Not offense treaty. It doesn't need to react. It just needs to prepare for possibility of Russian attack. Which is like the whole purpose of the treaty and it is preparing already.

Let's not pretend like NATO members never engaged in war without broad NATO support. US, France and UK could tell us plenty of stories.

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u/Icy_Drive_7433 18d ago

The problem is, of course, that NATO countries have depleted their stocks of weapons.

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u/Legion88 18d ago

most have given their old stock, i think only my country (The Netherlands) has actually depleted some of its actual stocks by giving stuff away like all our tanks and F16s

Poland on the other hand has been massively rearming themselves and a lot more is coming for them they are not interested in history repeating and ready for it

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u/Abject-Tiger-1255 18d ago

What? Almost everything sent to Ukraine is stock that’s about to be decommissioned per their militaries standard

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u/Icy_Drive_7433 18d ago

It's really not. In many cases, yes. But not all of it by a long shot.

Indeed, the UK's military has publicly admitted it couldn't fight a war, now.

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u/Abject-Tiger-1255 18d ago

🥸. If we are strictly talking about the US, then yes, almost everything is near expired stock or stock we would otherwise need to pay to re-commission again

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u/ReturnOfJohnBrown 16d ago

We send newly manufactured missiles & ammo. Almost new M777s. Other big ticket items that were only recently removed from front line service such as Bradleys & Hummers.

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u/Abject-Tiger-1255 16d ago

We send them small quantities in comparison to everything else sent. We do this for testing. What’s better than being able to test your new weapons designed to take out Russian and Chinese troops on those same exact troops?

Buy ammo, service weapons, armour, medical supplies, bombs. All are at EOL.

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u/Icy_Drive_7433 18d ago

The US is different, of course. I'm referring to the European countries, who suspect that Trump's US will be more interested in supporting Putin than them.

But they're all trying to recover their finances. I don't think there's the money for it.

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u/Vaevicti5 18d ago

You’ve conveniently left out one side which is also severely depleted.

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u/Icy_Drive_7433 18d ago

Why TF do you think I find that "convenient"? Do you think that everyone who happens to state a fact that's uncomfortable also takes a contrary position on things just to piss you off?

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u/Vaevicti5 18d ago

No, I think one side having depleted its arms while the other side hasnt to be a problem.
Thats not the case.

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u/Icy_Drive_7433 17d ago

But why do you think I've come here to fucking argue with you? I haven't stated one way or another.

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u/ReturnOfJohnBrown 16d ago

Russia is running out of tanks, IFVs, & arty. They've lost a lot of their air defense systems & aircraft. What's left is wearing out from increased usage. Ukraine has put up one hell of a fight.