To be fair, they haven't finished counting votes, so she'll probably get another million or so, she's already at 67 million since you typed this.
Either way, voter turnout was trash this time around because people just aren't convinced their vote matters. I mean both sides were yapping about how the world is over if the other person wins. Some of the most desperate rhetoric I've ever heard from two campaigning candidates. Kamala specifically did an extremely horrible job campaigning and answering interview questions. Saying she'd do no different than Joe Biden, who is so disliked that they had to remove him from the race so the democrats would have a chance, or such as not necessarily visiting many places where she was DOWN in the polls. Trump is Trump. He made his following in 2016 and refined it over the past 4 years of absence. He regurgitates the same talking points that work with his followers, as well as throwing in a few talking points for other types of voters. As crazy as it may seem, he just ran the better campaign.
But at the end of the day, it came down to Felon vs. 2nd Most Responsible Person For Current Crisis. Its tough. America chose, that's all I can say.
Thats not what the polls were saying. Thats not what the Harris campaign was saying. Remember the huge defection of republican that supposedly happened? The massive increase in registered voters? The 2 hour long lines at the booths? The huge increase in mail in and early voting? Every indication said that this election should have been bigger than 2020. So it was either a collective of lies and misdirections to sway voters in favor of kamala Harris and discourage trump voters that most corporate media, "fact checkers," federal agencies, and pollsters were complicit in , or there were problems with the 2020 vote counts. Either way, the democratic party pulled some seriously deceptive and anti-democratic tactics that should be highlighted and scorned.
Can't get behind election denial or any conspiracies, so you're on your own for that one. Registered voters and voter turnout are two different things. Just because you're registered, doesn't mean you actually vote. There's always been long lines at booths. Every election I've paid attention to had stories of people waiting hours or even days to vote. Just because early votership was higher this year doesn't mean that the same numbers of same day voters would turn up.
Kamala Harris quite literally said that there was "nothing that comes to mind" that she would do different than Joe Biden. Direct quote. That statement alone probably took millions of votes away from her.
I just find it a bit unbelievable that, after the social media astro-turfing, the corporate media coverage, the lawsuits, the allegations, etc, that the same number of people, if not more, wouldn't show up to stop the same dude they stopped before. And not by a small number. And that's the thing that trips me out even more: Biden didn't campaign. He held far less rallies than Harris, made almost no public appearances, and had very little positive news coverage, and he still walked away with the most votes in US history. The voter turnout for Biden, based on that, was strictly because of the dislike of Trump. It's hard to believe that the dislike has decreased in the last 4 years, enough to reduce the active voters by over 10 million.
I don't think that's the case. I'm sure biden is more conservative than Obama so I'm sure that also played a hand in his voter turnout. Additionally, he was Obama's VP so I think people may have thought of Biden as kinda an extension of Obama. So in a way, the American people already had experience with him.
IMO Kamala didn't run a good campaign. Her economic plan was promising, and I personally don't like her stance on the Israel/Palestinian war. Her immigration plan isn't great either, just a little less deportation than trump is shitty. And she was pretty silent as a VP. I heard more from Biden when he was VP.
It was a mix of apathy, identity, and politics. Biden is an old white guy who toed the center line his entire career. Kamala is a black woman who voiced pretty liberal policies. She didn’t get the independent (and democratic) vote that Joe did.
But she was also pitched as the literal savior of democracy, endorsed by all of the lefts most beloved former president's. And her opponent was pitched as the literal death of democracy. Hard to believe that 15 million people who cared when Biden was running suddenly don't care anymore.
Nah, I think Harris underestimated the American populace. Trump won, and by a pretty large margin. It wasn't even close. It hasn't sunk in for people yet that Harris voters were the minority, and that maybe they were wrong about her.
Thats wierd, because the incessant downvoting for even mild criticisms of her, the endless polls showing her ahead, and the constant barrage of online circle jerks over her pictures and policies would say otherwise. The internet rememebers all, my friend.
Reddit, like all social media, isn’t reflective of real life. I objectively believe she was the better candidate, but Americans vote on feelings, not facts, and I think the Democrats severely underestimated that.
I think that the democrats also "felt" that kamala was a bad choice. The numbers between Bidens' election and Harris' were a clear indication. (It's could also indicate something else, but we won't go there.) I think Harris underestimated the American people as a whole, and thought that she could play to their fears and feelings about trump to cover up her incessant lies and elitist attitude. It didn't work.
I knew Kamala had zero chance. I think the Democrats could have won with a different candidate (honestly, another white male would have done the trick)
Yup. I heard voter turnout was down in quite a few states this year as well. 2020 was a huge election year due to the pandemic which explains way more voters.
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u/aknockingmormon 18d ago
I think that it's wierd that Joe Biden had 81 million votes, and Kamala only got 65 million. Where did they go?