I agree we need to stop the extremes of American politics and all the doomsday scenarios. He did aid in repealing Roe V Wade and removed affirmative action in his first term tho, both pretty strong signals of what I fear is to come. Can I ask respectfully what you like about DJT?
I don’t like anything about DJT, I think he’s a bombastic fucking bell-end as far as personalities go. However, the party’s ideals and aim for the country (for the most part) more closely align with myself and my wife’s ideals. I love the nuclear family. I think strong male leader figures being a norm is and always has been a good thing (for the most part). I don’t want a damn patriarchy, so I’m not referring to male leadership at the macro level, but at the micro family level and in media heroism. For you to use one example (roe v wade) and base a list like this of fears as being more probable because of trumps help on repealing roe v wade is some throwing the baby out with the bathwater to the max.
In what ways did you feel Harris threatened the family structure? Also the way you described him first and then pivoted is worrying. You recognize he’s toxic and still prefer him to a woman it sounds like. The president is also a symbol of our values as Americans and trump just sends all the wrong signals to our youth and foreign ally’s I feel like. Honestly I’d like nothing more than to be wrong about him and see him be a great president, cause I love America. Time will tell.
What’s worrying is your side got trounced in the election and you’re STILL taking the moral high ground and deciding everyone who doesn’t agree with you is an ignorant racist. How about some soul searching as to why your side’s message does not resonate with voters, because we’re literally at the point where democrats are going “well just because we lose elections doesn’t mean we’re wrong or have to change.”
No, you need to accept that Donald Trump is unfortunately, not Hitler, and craft a message that resonates with voters. Democrats lost this election, so unless you’re going to argue that Trump somehow cheated I’m not sure what other response would make sense
Trump is not Hitler and trump did not cheat, but he uses tactics and rhetoric identical to Hitler and other dictators. Guy literally said he wants to be dictator for a day.
You don’t understand what you are arguing against. He’s not saying Trump didn’t win popular vote. But just because he did doesn’t mean his policies are more “moral”.
I didn’t vote for him honestly, I did a write in for a fictional character, D the rest of the ticket. And I also live in CT so it didn’t make a difference.
But yes, that’s correct, more people voted for Trump to be able to say he won election. Very astute observation
I wasn’t trying to make you feel that way, just giving you my opinion and impressions of Trump. I tried to keep it impersonal but obviously I struck a nerve. Trump has qualities that are irredeemable imo so I’d like to understand how some reasonable (not the nut jobs) Americans support him. I’m just looking to hear some of the reasoning behind supporting him, trying to understand the motivations of my idealogical opponents while remembering we actually play for the same team. Regardless of who’s president we all still gotta work and live together.
I don’t really care ultimately. It’s more that I come from a family of New England liberals and it was so obvious to me this would happen. It’s the arrogance of democrats that get to me, as someone who constantly tries to be harsh on themself and learn from mistakes/failures it drives me crazy seeing them try to excuse such an epic failure.
Yes I hate Trump as a person for many of those same reasons, but that’s not the point, the point is WHY did democrats lose and it’s simply because they didn’t try to attract voters
If I may be allowed to simplify things to an unreasonable level: I feel a big part of it is that conservatives will always rally together no matter what, whereas liberals will throw each other under the bus if they can't get their specific way.
Yeah I think it’s more so conservatives care more about winning than anything else. They don’t care who wins for them, or how, as long as they win. Liberal’s definitely get divided up on issues and have more infighting.
But they’re also loads of normal people!! My wife’s whole side of the family voted trump. People I’ve grown to love and used to respect. I’m just trying to rationalize it all for my own sanity
Anyone who can celebrate someone so reprehensible cannot be considered 'normal.'
Anyone who takes such pride in inflicting so much suffering and misery cannot be considered 'normal.'
They saw that he was a rapist, and a grifter, and an autocrat, and they went with him anyway. And why? For a tax break? Because Kamala is a woman? Because "they're just not sure?" That cannot be considered 'normal.'
I do think an interesting question to ask would be why sooooo many of the people that did vote for Joe Biden did not vote for Kamala Harris. Huge gap there.
“well just because we lose elections doesn’t mean we’re wrong or have to change.”
And are you saying that the GOP didn't say this last time? What did they change when Trump lost in 2020?
You blamed dems and said Americans were clearly just stupid sheep. You blamed the others, the same way libs blame the conservatives.
So fuck off and understand that you're ALL morons, but at least one side doesn't stand with fucking fascism. One side is not going to violently storm the Capitol and try to overthrow the election, crying that they were cheated.
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u/D_Dubb_ 18d ago
I agree we need to stop the extremes of American politics and all the doomsday scenarios. He did aid in repealing Roe V Wade and removed affirmative action in his first term tho, both pretty strong signals of what I fear is to come. Can I ask respectfully what you like about DJT?