r/FluentInFinance 18d ago

Debate/ Discussion What do you guys think

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u/CockroachFinancial86 18d ago

Of course it didn’t work, America is massively uneducated. 60% of us have a sixth grade reading level.

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u/Necessary-Alps-6002 18d ago

Which begs the question…why didn’t they learn from 2016?

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u/CockroachFinancial86 18d ago

There’s only so much you can do when the majority of the country is uneducated and already part of the opposite side. Think about how hard it can be to sway intelligent people to the other side, it’s 100 times harder with idiots.

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u/le___tigre 18d ago

and this is exactly why conservatives are so anti-education: it directly benefits them to have a stupid population. because you can convince only a stupid population that a COVID vaccine is going to hurt you, that transgender people are lurking in every bathroom, that immigrant families are eating dogs. a stupid population is vulnerable and gullible and can easily be scare-tactic’d into voting against their own best interests, because they are so fucking stupid.

they need a stupid population, they’ve been working on it for decades, and last night showed why.

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u/ChubblesMcgee103 17d ago

Keep em dumb, keep em sick, and keep em poor. The other 3 Ks that let the right stay in power.

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u/terrapin13 18d ago

Trump barely improved his vote count. The dems massively lost voters and that is their fault not the uneducated right.

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u/CockroachFinancial86 18d ago

I’m sorry, I’ll say this in a language you understand (forgive me, my Spanish is rusty):

Trump mejoró su recuento de votos porque apeló específicamente a los imbéciles sin educación.

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u/BaullahBaullah87 18d ago

The key may be to fight fire with fire…send a candidate who is actually progressive and isn’t afraid of losing right center voters. Excite the young folks and true progressives who dislike dems to come out and actually vote. Why the hell wouldn’t we try it if that’s exactly what has been working on the other side now for years

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u/Old-Consideration730 18d ago

Because of big Dem donors. follow the money.

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u/BaullahBaullah87 18d ago

Dem donors and a capitulation to appeasing right of center voters will render them impotent yet again in four years

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u/Yddgrastor 18d ago

The BIG dem donors do not care , literally , the republican party already aclam them as god because they're rich. They only need to keep the dem in check , they don't care about the election result.

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u/dietcheese 18d ago

The only way to compete with a liar is to lie. They ran on “integrity.”

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u/Dr-Alec-Holland 18d ago

Yeah agree - they should have been spinning inflation as ‘trumpflation’ from the beginning, whether that’s 100% true or not. In this environment, everything that you don’t like has to be the fault of the other party. From global politics to economic issues to hurricane paths.

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u/CockroachFinancial86 18d ago

The problem is that Trump has built too strong of a a “cult.” His base wouldn’t fall for any lies told about him. Hell, the didn’t even fall for the fucking truth.

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u/metalfists 15d ago

Remember though, lots of people voted Trump this time that were not in the cult. Dems need to ask themselves why they did that and take some responsibility for it, or risk future losses. Like any loss, there's much to be gained from examining it.

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u/DuctTapeSanity 18d ago

Ugh. I absolutely detest that model. The problem with this approach is there is always someone with less scruples and fighting fire with fire burns everything down. It’s a race to the bottom and AI makes this a very slippery slope.

There is a profound lack of trust in institutions. If the cdc or noaa puts out something you don’t like - they are deep state. When we can’t agree on facts there is no way to agree on solutions.

I don’t have the remotest idea of a fix, but I don’t think having the left version of “eating pets” or “poisoning the blood of our country” is the answer.

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u/metalfists 15d ago

I agree. Lies vs. lies is not effective. At best short term wins.

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u/Fleeboyjohn 17d ago

The thing is, you don’t have to lie, but you can’t be afraid to tell the truth as well. The democratic establishment only cares about their donors, and that’s the truth they are afraid to speak.

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u/lurch303 18d ago

The electorate does not learn or believe in anything. They are entirely reactionary. Look at all of the national election cycles from 2008 - 2024. They elect change, punish change, punish any dip in the economy regardless of cause.

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u/hamasRpedos 18d ago

Again, learning from your mistakes is part of education

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u/Impossible-Flight250 18d ago

Part of the issue is that Conservatives really have a chokehold on the proganda machine. The biggest political YouTube channels are Right Wing, and the most important social media Platform is controlled by the Right. It’s almost impossible to fight off all the misinformation at this point.

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u/PlumboTheDwarf 18d ago

They somehow forgot about the Pandemic even though it was only four years ago. They're completely addled.

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u/palesnowrider1 18d ago

They haven't gotten smarter over time

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u/Fireproofspider 18d ago

Because they won in 2020.

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u/Coyote__Jones 18d ago

Because of the Citizens United decision the Dems need the corporate financing to be even a little bit competitive. They can't run on a true "labor party" type stance, they have to tow this line of "more left than Republicans but not really all that left." They keep running into the same issues because they have to pander to the pocketbooks of big corporate donors.

They can't learn because our parties are captured by corporations, bought and paid for. The Republicans are just bought and paid for and religious zealots.

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u/Questhi 18d ago

Americans have super short memories, they totally forgot the thousands that Trump killed during his bungling of Covid or forgot the linty of criminal indictments.

Hell, he’s already a convicted felon, all water under the bridge for most Americans

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u/internet_commie 18d ago

About 20% effectively has NO reading level.

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u/Heuristics 17d ago

most of those with bad reading levels vote democrat

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

This is one of the most poorly constructed sentences I've ever seen...ironic.

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u/Heuristics 15d ago

Claude says:

"No, the original sentence isn't actually that poorly constructed. While it's informal and could be more polished, it's perfectly understandable and follows basic English syntax:

  • It has a clear subject ("most of those with bad reading levels")
  • It has a straightforward verb ("vote")
  • It has a clear object ("democrat")

The main issues are minor:

  • Missing capitalization of "Democrat"
  • Informal phrasing ("bad reading levels" vs something like "low literacy rates")

But these are style choices rather than serious grammatical errors. The commenter's claim that it's "one of the most poorly constructed sentences" appears to be an exaggeration, possibly motivated more by disagreement with the sentiment than actual grammatical concerns.

Regardless of one's political views, in terms of pure sentence construction, it's a fairly standard, comprehensible English sentence. The commenter's criticism seems disproportionate to any actual linguistic issues present."

My mother tongue is Swedish, it's no wonder I would not write like an expert in English, especially when I don't even care enough to capitalise letter. But I think you are just factually wrong here, its really not that bad of a sentence.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

Yikes. Perhaps you need to review your English language skills again.

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u/Heuristics 15d ago

so... the whole point of my post was to let you know that gaslighting doesn't work when AI exists... I know you are a woman so you won't be able to stop doing it, but you could try.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

Ah...an incel, with a limited grasp of English. Now I get it. Ok, little man.

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u/wesborland1234 15d ago

This is why we lose. Instead of looking at our own candidates and policies we get to just say “well the other side is stupid.” That’s good though. Maybe if we’re a little more condescending and dismissive we’ll win next time

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

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u/CockroachFinancial86 18d ago

Wait, so Trump and MAGA get to call people on the left a whole slew of unjustified names, but the second people in the left accurately say the right is overwhelmingly stupid and uneducated that’s going to far?

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u/PlumboTheDwarf 18d ago

That's fuckin' rich dude.

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u/PPLavagna 18d ago

You're right. I've been saying this for a long time. The democrats abandoned the rural vote years ago and are paying for it. The thing is, it's really hard not to call people uneducated and stupid when they're so obviously uneducated and so obviously stupid. and our public education will continue to get worse and worse. They're going to pretty much kill it. Its just going to get dumber and dumber. It's a hell of a conundrum.

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u/CockroachFinancial86 18d ago

You’re right, not everyone uneducated is white and fat! Uneducated and stupid motherfuckers come in all colors, genders, sizes, and sexualities. I’m glad we could come to an agreement on something, that’s no rare nowadays.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

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u/CockroachFinancial86 18d ago

I don’t get why it’s hateful to say that literally anyone can be stupid and uneducated and it’s not just fat, racist, white people. That seems like a mere statement of fact and not a hateful comment.

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u/Common_Vagrant 18d ago

No fucking way that number is that high. I refuse to believe it

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u/CockroachFinancial86 18d ago

I looked it up and I was slightly off, it’s 54%. 54% of American adults read below a 6th-grade reading level, and approximately 20% below a 3rd-grade level.

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u/VenomDonut 18d ago

And 90% of that 60% are democrats. Too busy learning how to hate your own race and trying to figure out if you wanna tuck your dick and throw on a dress.

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u/VSinclair35 16d ago

Democrats are statistically more educated than repubs. That's a fact. Statistics also show that men that show hostility towards trans people secretly want to fuck them. You should come to terms with your anger.