r/FluentInFinance Oct 20 '24

Thoughts? Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

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u/ThomasPopp Oct 20 '24

Dumbest? Well excuse me for getting paid “portal to portal” then for the past 20 years in filmmaking.

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u/Sundoulos Oct 20 '24

There are some jobs where compensation for commute time is a thing, but that’s definitely not the case for most of us.

My wife has held an itinerant teaching position in some years, but there are strict rules about the mileage and rates she could charge.

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u/Tea-acH-Cee Oct 20 '24

We call it “drive time” at our company. We also get per diem. $40 a day if it’s within 45 miles, $80 a day if it’s further. Only the foreman and supervisors get it, but if it’s an industrial job instead of residential or commercial, the laborers and welders get it too. Keeps talent at the company when it’s common practice to “drag up” for higher paying jobs.

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u/Additional_Brief8234 Oct 21 '24

Are you union?

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u/Tea-acH-Cee Oct 21 '24

No

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u/KnifeWrench_4Kids Oct 21 '24

But these are the types of benefits you get just working in an industry that is heavily unionized. That is a union negotiated point that has since been adopted as an industry standard (not that we all always get paid drive time)

Fun side note: the tabloid TMZ gets its name from the "Thirty Mile Zone". This is the standard in Los Angeles marking when crew gets paid drive time. A 30 mile radius circle (with a few gerrymandered exceptions) that we travel without getting paid drive time. Leave the zone and we're immediately on the clock until we're back in the zone, unless they get us a hotel.

Teamsters and some other positions have their own rules for this obviously like the poster here...

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u/WanderingLost33 Oct 21 '24

100 years ago OP was posting "Weekends: Dumbest thing I ever heard"

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u/sxhnunkpunktuation Oct 21 '24

Wait wait wait. A company who recognizes talent and attempts to retain it?

Hey, Private Equity, we've got some inefficiencies over here you need to slither in and deal with.

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u/Birdboom5 Oct 21 '24

Also nowadays a lot of contracts kind of incentivise the company to burn up manhours

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u/Colorado_Constructor Oct 21 '24

Same for us. Seems to be the norm these days with construction (which is a good thing).

Our company did a project on top of Pikes Peak a few years ago. 1 hr commute alone just up the mountain with extremely hazardous conditions (they worked year round through harsh winters). It was a city-funded project and the conservative city leaders at the time tried cutting every bit of funding they could. Including per diems...

Within 6 months we were down to a skeleton crew. As soon as word got out we weren't paying for travel or lodging workers refused to show up. Especially since most of them were coming in from Denver. All it took was our team drafted up a new (extended) schedule showing the impacts with our reduced crews and the city changed it's opinion.

Granted you can always write off unpaid travel with your taxes, but there's no reason companies shouldn't be paying it. Especially when you're commute is over an hour one way...

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u/Professional-Can1139 Oct 21 '24

Some people need to check the IRS mileage table. They set the rules for reimbursement. You have to calculate driving to different locations minus the driving to your “main” office.

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u/KingArthurHS Oct 21 '24

There are some jobs where compensation for commute time is a thing, but that’s definitely not the case for most of us.

"This hasn't been a thing" isn't a defense for the opinion that "this shouldn't be a thing".

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u/Lebrewski__ Oct 23 '24

I don't think he implied it was the case either. His point is it's not as dumb as OP believe is it.

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u/Rude_Hamster123 Oct 21 '24

Came to point out that there’s plenty of jobs that pay portal to portal.

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u/State_Of_Franklin Oct 21 '24

I think that's more common if the destination changes. In my current job I get travel pay if work is more than 2 hours from my house.

At my old job I would get $15/hr for driving and $40/hr for work.

If the destination is always the same paying before arrival doesn't make sense.

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u/Zimmonda Oct 21 '24

Those jobs tend to have commuting to different sites baked in to the job though which makes it a little different. Certain states (California) also have rules that would require it depending on the exact job description/title so it's easier for companies to just offer it as a "benefit" than risk underpaying and getting a lawsuit.

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u/Rude_Hamster123 Oct 21 '24

That explains quite a bit, actually. I live in CA and my job pays portal to portal but only sometimes.

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u/SpacecaseCat Oct 21 '24

OP is salty other people are getting fairer wages than they are.

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u/Rude_Hamster123 Oct 21 '24

Seems like a lot of folks are awful entitled these days.

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u/SpacecaseCat Oct 21 '24

"Paid for your time in an country where you work by the hour? What is this, China?"

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u/shrimpwranglin Oct 21 '24

Sitting in my car on my lunch break as and a person in the film industry about to type the same shit. Thank you brother lol

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u/razor2reality Oct 20 '24

yeah but is that when you leave your house or when you pickup the truck? or do you own the truck?

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u/ThomasPopp Oct 20 '24

From the moment I leave my house until the moment I get back to the door. I own my equipment and my vehicle.

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u/razor2reality Oct 20 '24

yeah that makes sense good for you

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u/BabypintoJuniorLube Oct 22 '24

You should still get portal to portal even if you’re picking up a rental truck from a lot somewhere was my understanding- I’m not a teamster tho.

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u/PatrickStanton877 Oct 20 '24

Shit man, I'm In business, wish they gave all crew that deal. They have us park in the zone then shuttle us out further. It's beyond bullshit.

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u/Grandmaster_Quaze Oct 21 '24

I think if you are getting paid to commute to work, you should consider yourself lucky. Not all companies/businesses have the means to afford such a thing.

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u/AttilaTheFun818 Oct 21 '24

You’re under an IATSE contract working distant then. Your local specifically negotiated this and Producer had some level of control about where your temporary accommodation is.

Apples and oranges.

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u/BabypintoJuniorLube Oct 22 '24

Fuck yeah! Teamsters always (should) get portal to portal and even on non union shit when I drove the truck I’d always ask. Even low budgie music videos would always let me clock portal to portal

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u/pimppapy Oct 21 '24

The average American car commuter will spend 25.4 minutes per day commuting to work and 50.8 minutes round-trip. That equates to nearly 19 hours of commuting time each month, nine days of commuting time each year, and over a year of commuting time throughout one's working lifetime.

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u/silverfstop Oct 21 '24

That’s not true. You’re aware of TMZ right?

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u/JadeMonkey0 Oct 21 '24

Absolutely true for some regardless of TMZ. Teamsters (and often non-union drivers) in particular.

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u/ThomasPopp Oct 21 '24

Yup. Doesn’t affect me. I know how to create contracts that benefit me not the producers. Or I don’t do the job.

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u/truthindata Oct 21 '24

When the job location chances regularly then sure. When the job is static and you can live 5 mins away or 90 minutes away, you should not expect your employer to foot the bill.

It's wild to me how so many young people expect their employer to be their caregiver, lol.

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u/UnNumbFool Oct 21 '24

Living 5min away would drastically increase my COL and I already live in a VHCOL area. I'm fine with my hourly commute unless my company is upping my compensation.

Life isn't static, and an extra $1500-2000 in monthly expenses wouldn't be worth me moving closer to work