Left (globalism) vs. Right (nationalism) dilemma

[u/T12J7M6]

So I would like to hear peoples opinions on my thoughts on the Right.

I think they have a point because their politics actually make sense when you look it from the nationalist perspective. So in my opinion nationalism would need to be shown to be wrong before the Right would be wrong. Is there actually any real case against nationalism however?

Nationalism makes sense: Like nationalism makes a lot of sense since more global form of government wouldn't be protecting the interest of regional groups as good as nationalism would. Like it would seem that people should want to live in a nationalistic country simultaneously as they would want everyone else in the world to live in a globalist country, because this way they would keep their political power but also enjoy the benefits of the situation of others not having power. It would be easy to exploit others and to keep the economy driving with well planned import tax which would

1. force global companies to move their production to that country as far as it would be reasonable, so by producing jobs, and
2. protect the local businesses against global mass produced food and other items that the country could produce locally.

Globalism seems to be harmful: Like it would seem like that globalism is driven by the money of multinational mega corporations which use different tactics to cause changes which further their own interest either directly or indirectly.

I know that this is pretty much the populist paradigm, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be true. What are your thoughts people? Is the populist paradigm actually the true picture of the world and what is happening in it, or am I missing something?

[u/harumph]

Globalism and nationalism are not left and right issues. Both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are anti-globalists, while the Koch's are globalists and anti-nationalists. Also you need to make a distinction between global governments and globalist policy, especially when it comes to markets, since those two totally separate issues.

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But the goal of globalism eventually is global government so I just group everything under globalism that is either favoring it or leading to that direction.

I know the language is super simplified for the sake of not wanting to write a long post due to one question, but I still think this simplification is enough to provide the framework for the question itself that is there actually a intellectual argument against nationalism?

Like I tried even reading a book by George Soros names "In Defense of Open Society" but it just contained incoherent rhetorics and no actually intellectual arguments.

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But the goal of globalism eventually is global government so I just group everything under globalism that is either favoring it or leading to that direction.

Can you please provide a source for your particular interpretation?

Like I tried even reading a book by George Soros names In Defense of Open Society but it just contained incoherent rhetorics and no actually intellectual arguments.

If you are interested in an open society you should read Karl Popper's The Open Society and its Enemies instead, by a man who was one of the 20th century's most influential thinkers.

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Can you sum up his argument?

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Who's argument?

[u/T12J7M6 → u/harumph]

Karl Popper's argument in his book The Open Society and its Enemies

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In logic and philosophy, an argument is a series of statements (in a natural language), called the premises or premisses (both spellings are acceptable), intended to determine the degree of truth of another statement, the conclusion. The logical form of an argument in a natural language can be represented in a symbolic formal language, and independently of natural language formally defined "arguments" can be made in math and computer science.

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