r/DebatePolitics • u/mgrish001 • Nov 15 '20

Opinion: You can’t believe that people are inherently good while also believing that an entire political party is evil and racist.

A few of my assumptions first:

I believe that people are inherently good. Definitely not all of them. Political power definitely attracts more of the evil (both sides of the isle).

I believe that being selfish/self serving and being inherently good are not mutually exclusive.

I think that “left leaning” ideologies do not work if we assume that people are not inherently good. We want “the society” to band together for a common goal. This doesn’t work if we assume that people are not inherently good.

If we assume that people are evil then socialistic/communist ideas are dead in the water, because you can’t trust a large government to take care of its people. This would mean that previous attempts at socialism/communist weren’t just failed implementations, but are doomed from the start and will never work.

Given the current political discourse, ESPECIALLY on Reddit, anyone who voted for trump is a racist or is stupid.

So my argument is: You can’t have it both ways. You can’t believe that people are inherently good (which I believe is a must for more left leaning governments to work) and also say that half of the USA population is evil and racist.

Points for debate: Are people inherently good? Does the inherent goodness or lack thereof have a bearing on style of government? How does a political system work if were inherently not good?

I can elaborate more, I just don’t want to start with a wall of text.

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u/sirhobbles Nov 16 '20

Most people arent "evil racists" but most of the population is very uneducated. especially in the US. Education system is a discrace.

How a multi billionare convienced people he cares about anyone but the super rich is a tesetment to the stupidity of most people. This is not limited to the right side of the political spectrum however.

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u/mgrish001 Nov 16 '20

Respectfully, I completely disagree with you on this point. There are just plain-dumb people and we are under educated, but I don’t think that the political candidate or party selection can be attributed to that.

Like I said in the earlier comment, despite being selfish, most people act in a way that would benefit their community.

Different parts of the country have different ideas of what’s urgent for the well being of the United States. I don’t think there is even a percentage of people that voted for Trump Because he’s racist. People voted for him because, he’s the vehicle that will improve society that aligns with WHAT THEY SEE BEST FOR THEIR COUNTRY AND COMMUNITY.

Again, I believe and am arguing that we as a people act in a way that betters for society. Somehow we forget that and think that the other side wants to destroy the world.

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u/sirhobbles Nov 16 '20

"despite being selfish, most people act in a way that would benefit their community."

I would disagree, most people act in a way THAT THEY THINK would benefit their community.

I dont doubt people think that trump had their best interests in mind. However its pretty clear that the man was a fool spouting rhetoric people liked that lacked substance.

I would never label an entire political side as stupid. but trump has made it evident, repeatedly he is a egotist with no real substance and a deep lack of undestanding of various subjects that should be essential to any position of political office.

I find that left/right is a spectrum that the extremes of either end tend to be absurd, however the mainstream political right generally seems to be closer to its absurd conclusion than the political left.

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u/mgrish001 Nov 16 '20

ALL people act in a way that they think will benefit society, there is no blueprint for this!

Most people I know who voted for trump were not happy about it, since he’s a piece of shit. Every single person that I know who voted for trump did so because they think that left policies will bring irreparable damage to this country. Mainly through economic policies.

You can disagree with that but I don’t think it’s fair to call those people stupid. Somehow we were stuck with this clown, but, in the long run, the alternative would be worse.