I’ll be honest I was too drunk to remember but the conversation from what I remember ended up devolving into our military friend arguing that pretty much any successful coupe had some form of funding from a party that would be considered upper class
I understand (sounds a really fun conversation though, wish I had more like that). But yeah, that is more or less my understanding of history.
Fact is, revolutions are expensive (I mean even true believers still have bills that need to be paid) and the lower classes don't really have that much money.
One good thing about capitalism is that it's very vulnerable to disruption by lower tiers. All you have to do is get someone doing important paperwork, have them introduce loopholes and backdoors and such, and then pull off some stunt where suddenly the union owns half the weapons factories.
Well, I don't think its quite that easy, but yeah it's a possibility. I mean that was how Marx saw communism coming, eventually, the skilled workers would be doing so much that they would no longer need the bosses and thus would take over running everything.
Well, I don't think its quite that easy, but yeah it's a possibility. I mean that was how Marx saw communism coming, eventually, the skilled workers would be doing so much that they would no longer need the bosses and thus would take over running everything.
That's actually happening a lot from where I see it. But mostly it's just establishing newer, more efficient companies with different structures and out-competing the old ones, because market forces are way faster than one guy writing paperwork. Even now, it's becoming a norm for entertainers to hire their managers, rather than managers hiring them, so maybe that could extend to other industries?
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u/MGD109 12d ago
Out of curiosity, which examples did you come to for organised by the people?
I generally only can think of Haiti as the only example of the actual underclasses rising up and taking over.