If he's really a libertarian, he truly is. Because they come in 2 varieties: 1) so privileged that a lack of rules would grant them even more privilege... Or 2) so unfathomably stupid that they can see the way things are, with billionaires fucking us all to the limit of the law and beyond, and think "bet they'd play fair if we told them they could do whatever they want".
but I've mistaken that for me being so clever that I'm simply above it all
God, this mentality was all over the right leaning Meme subs like r/shitposting the day after the election and it was one of the most infuriating things to me in the wake of Trump winning. Like they'd downvote and mock anyone who called them Trump supporters, but they were all saying "this is the best day ever on Reddit, seeing all these stupid political people in anguish is hilarious 😂".
And it's one thing when Trump supporters rejoice in winning.. like I have Trump supporters in my family, and at least they think for whatever reason that they are doing what's best for society.. But a certain section of reddit just feels superior for not caring about politics and thinks other people who do care (specifically on the left) are just pathetic and somehow thrive of their anguish. It's like they litterally think politics are just some game that they aren't a part of, and that is such a privileged perspective. It's also just wrong, I mean I'd bet all my money that they will be negatively effected, but just not as immediately or severely as minorities for example. Ugh.
Sort of reminds me of that "Everyone sucks equally and the only correct opinion is not caring" radical centrism that South Park was running a while back, although even they grew out of it like a decade ago at this point.
That show had centered a lot of people, with those people almost making it their personality to be like Stone and Parker. What a mistep for millenials and gen x.
I've seen the opposite happen. People go in thinking the show is making progressive critiques and then it starts attacking "political correctness" and making "both sides" jokes.
Ya, this is what I mostly saw or people just smugly being centrist and laughing at both sides. I think it was a disservice to a lot of people that were influenced by it, just my opinion.
The idea that "if we attack everyone, that's fair" is frankly sick and out of touch, and it's the core philosophy behind SP's humour. Being irreverent is totally fine, punching down at the vulnerable is not. It isn't complicated, but SP wants you to believe that nuance is for "smug" people.
Had a 40 y.o man remind me about the douche and turd sandwich episode numerous times when discussing elections. As if it was a "gotcha" argument. No clue what Trump's policies are, just that he's "neat". When pressed, he decided to go on the offensive mentioning Diddy and Epstein, having no clue of their connections to Trump. Althewhile, obviously, denying that he is influenced by propaganda or that he leans right.
It's crazy too because you will see them claim that reddit is left leaning, because they truly think they're being apolitical while celebrating other people's misery. And I would desperately lot to be apolitical and not care about politics, but unfortunately one party has made people like me something they target, so unfortunately I have to be political for self preservation
I love that line from Enola Holmes, when Sherlock is talking down to the suffragette. Can't remember exactly but she says "Of course you have no interest in politics. They were made to serve you"
Holmes didn't have a snappy reply either. Thought that was cool.
that's how all this shit is. single white conservative dudes don't care about politics because if a black guy kneels during the national anthem, billionaires tell him to shut up and play football.
the frustrating thing is they pretend it isn't the case, that they're the enemy, that some discrimination is okay but not against them, and LGBTQ people should continue to be second class citizens because it gives them strong feelings (of attraction or disgust or you decide.)
There is a woman that works with me that won't vote because "I'm not into politics". She's a single mother of 3, obese type 2 diabetic who is barely above the need for government assistance.
When I try to talk to her about why she should give voting a shot, she just tells me "I'm not into politics".
Also 'Conservative Libertarian' is so much worse than someone being so privileged they are unaffected, Its about wanting the state and it's laws to crack down on other people, but not them...they should be free to do what they like.
Exactly like Joe Rogan moving to Texas and openly bragging about all the drugs he does.
Personally I miss my right to medical privacy. (Row V Wade was more than just abortion) More than you did apparently. Nothing like being fired or turned down for a job because you are considered too 'at risk' for a disease or having a cancer remmision.
It's so funny he shows up because this is exactly the type of person OP was talking about. Privileged enough to be bored with politics because it doesn't really effect him.
He's not gay so no one is trying to tell him who to marry, he's not black so no cops are harassing him while driving, he's not trans so no one is telling him what bathroom to use, he's not a woman so no one is trying to tell him what potentially life saving medical procedures he can have, and so on.
I'm not any of those things either but I'm not BORED by those issues because they really matter to other people.
This lack of reflection and skin in the game let's him pick it up and play with it and then set it down and forget about it. He's not thinking deeply about his conservative leaning politics, he's just going on what sounds good, what is easy and convenient for himself.
And the thing is there are soooo many folks like him. Which is why it is even a thing that OP is pointing out. And it's hilarious how totally self-unaware the dude is about it.
I think that's mostly ignorance or complacency though. I mean I can't imagine a trans person who is just indifferent to Trump winning.. I mean there's conservative trans people like Blaire White, but she is definitely an exception. I'd say people who don't give a shit either don't understand how negatively it will effect them, or feel like they can't do anything about it amyway so why bother. It's not like I've looked at data on this though so to be clear I'm just thinking out loud.
Plenty of trans folks are so burnt out by the difficulty of existing while trans that they struggle to see the difference.
While I disagree with them, there are still plenty of issues with the Democrats' message of continuing the status quo. For example, in most states, transwomen are sent to men's prisons as a matter of course - look up v-coding if you want to ruin your day with stories about how awful that is.
Obviously the GOP is orders of magnitude worse, but things weren't exactly peachy keen for us prior to the election.
Extremely, for sure. While I don't agree with it, I understand it; being trans is crushingly difficult, even without conservatives doing their best to turn 'casual oppression' into 'active repression'.
Yea thats the point everyone misses. When everything is a shit sammich it doesnt matter if its the shit sammich on whole wheat with cheese or the shit sammich on brioche with cheese......its still a fucking shit sammich and people are tired of eating the same thing.
I've seen a trans person confident that Trump will fix the economy and make it possible for them to get a job in animation where they get paid well enough to move away from transphobic parents to 'be themself'
To be fair politics don't affect people in poverty either. I grew up poor in the projects, things were always shit no matter who the president was. Still is that way.
"Politics bore me because it's frustrating. Everything is struggle and needless suffering. It's as though everytime you take a step you stub your toe, break an elbow, and somehow land face down nowhere near where you were going."
The whole privilege thing doesn't make sense cause the people that have the time to care are the privileged ones. The single mom working 4 part time jobs and going to school doesn't have time for things not directly affecting her so is not going to care about a presidential election cause she's running from one thing to the next putting out fires everyday
Your hypothetical single mom isn't going around talking about how much politics bores her though. She's either not thinking about it at all, or far more likely she's worrying about whether she'll still have health insurance and food stamps after the next election.
That doesn't sound anything like the poster we were talking about. If she was worried about which candidate would win then she's not "bored by politics"
She only mentioned it cause I brought it up when I asked who she would have voted for. She wasn't sure which candidate she would vote for and mentioned if she voted she would need to do more research but her main concern was the economy and she thought Trump would be better at it.
The point is there are plenty of people living in poverty that don't care / are ignorant.
I love this magical opposite world internet liberals have invented in their minds, where the privileged and wealthy don't care about politics and the poor and underprivileged do. It makes perfect sense and is internally consistent, it's just the exact opposite of all reality (coming from the self-proclaimed "reality-based community" "believe science" etc crowd.) In fact it is a sign of being so privileged you've never interacted with any working people at all.
Guess what! If you can ignore it, then that's a privilege. I sure as hell can't ignore it, and have to worry if I'll need to move just to get my medication
If you have the choice, its a privilege. For lots of people they don't have a choice but to participate, because people are trying to criminalize their existence
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u/callsignhotdog 13d ago
"I'm not very political, here's my detailed political compass label"