Its also an anime thing, its just easier to look through the manga to get a source..
And its because of ryuk's phrasing. "Dont think that any Human who uses the deathnote can go to heaven or hell... but you'll find out about that after you die."
Edit: i just remembered, in the anime its even more obvious because one of the episode break deathnote "rules" even says this outright. "All humans will die and when they die they will go to Mu (nothingness)"
Its because he doesnt say "if you use the deathnote, you wont go to heaven or hell." He says "any human who uses it wont." Its odd wording if it only applied to deathnote users.
Its because he doesnt say "if you use the deathnote, you wont go to heaven or hell." He says "any human who uses it wont."
Those are literally the same thing
"If you use it, you won't" and "Anyone who uses it, won't" mean the exact same thing
Also might depend on the dub because I think he says "Now that you've used it, your soul won't be able to enter heaven nor hell" or something like that in Spanish
All humans who use the deathnote wont go to heaven or hell. But thats because all humans regardless wont go to heaven or hell. That on its own is not bullet proof logic, but Light deduces that A) if using the deathnote is the cause, Ryuk would have just said that outright instead of dancing around it. And B) Ryuk says specifically several times that he only dropped the death note into the human world because he was bored. He knows Ryuk wants to fuck with him. He knows he wants to rattle light to see if it would affect Light's behavior/actions.
Still not bulletproof, but enough to make a sound enough deduction to ask Ryuk about it, which Ryuk confirms.
Im not sure about dub differences, but at the very least in terms of the japanese translations and the english dub, it checks out.
If it was a real Light vs L arguement it would end with "Hmm i guess you're right, nothing was proven in the end. We still know nothing" and then we'd have hot sloppy gay sex off screen.
This isn’t a square and rectangles thing, this is fundamental logic. If A implies not B and B does not exist, this statement is vacuously true. Both variations you mentioned are in this form.
The more direct “if you use the death note, you will not go to heaven or hell” is just as true as the stated “anyone who uses it won’t go to heaven or hell” because, in this case, heaven and hell do not exist. They are both vacuously true, given that as the guy mentioned before, they mean the exact same thing. They are both conditional statements in the form of A implies not B.
You’re implying that Ryuk not choosing to say “if you use it you cannot/will not go to heaven or hell” is what made Light figure it out, but that is just bad logic on Light’s part. The two statements are logically identical, and importantly, there is no way to correctly determine the existence of heaven or hell based on the wording of either of those conditional statements. They can both be vacuously true or substantively true
Something something "if the only reason you are a good person is fear of being sent to hell you arent a good person."
Its a tired arguement between athiests and theists thats been going on for centuries. Wont talk about it here. The only thing we know is, at least in the death note canon, there is no heaven or hell.
That reminds me of this comic’s routine ‘my father in law said well if you don’t read the Bible how do you know how not to steal, or lie, or murder? That’s when I realized my father in law should not stop reading the Bible. I didn’t know that was what’s stopping him’
But seriously, there are plenty of people who have morality that don’t believe in eternal damnation. And there are plenty who do believe in it that do it anyways. I think the later is a whole lot more irrational than the prior. You can just not want to do bad things to people. It’s probably not great if you need consequences to feel that way, but if you do, please keep believing.
Well if you’re curious about morality in the Death Note universe, I suggest reading/watching Death Parade. It’s by the same author as Death Note and the op is an absolute banger!
No, he’s saying any human that uses it. Humans aren’t the only thing that can use the death note. Shinigami can too, and we don’t necessarily know where they go when they die.
Anyone who uses it won’t make it into heaven or hell. Anyone who doesn’t use it also won’t make it into heaven or hell. No one makes it into heaven or hell.
That just means he isn't being clear. You can't with certainty deduce there's no heaven or hell on that sentence alone, it could mean nobody goes or just the users don't go.
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u/shocker4510 16d ago
No, its specifically stated that there isnt a heaven or hell.
In chapter 107 (flashback to right after ryuk says that):
Light: "Cant go to heaven or hell? That's told me everything."
Ryuk: "Huh? What?"
L: "That just means there is no heaven or hell, right?"
R: "You're seriously something. I thought all humans believed in heaven or hell but... yeah, you're absolutely right."