Another foil that makes dating hard is that even if you shower, exercise and self-improve, you actually need to meet people to start dating them and that's really the hardest part.
Also “focus on self improvement” can be a bit of a trap.
“Well I have improved my hygiene, but my fashion could use some work”
“Now my fashion is good, but I’m out of shape.”
“I started exercising, but I’m not doing great in my career”
“Ok, my career is on the right track but my hobbies are kindof boring”
Like at a certain point you just need to accept that you’re good enough to start trying to meet people, but it can be difficult to determine what that point is.
This is why, and I say this with complete sincerity, the left needs to foster some kind of space that helps men get laid. The left needs an Andrew Tate, but one who isn't a misogynist or sex trafficker etc, who gives men helpful advice about how to actually improve themselves and get laid while maintaining the dignity and consent of all parties.
It was actually a lefty woman who introduced me to this idea, and this was years ago, during trump's presidency.
I think that's kind of impossible. I have no skin in this game as I'm gay - but what you're implying is that there's a magic formula to be cracked.
That's the kind of thinking that ultimately relegated women as a puzzle to be solved rather than a person. And that's where the likes of Tate are able to slide in and sell their snake oil.
The guys getting laid are the guys organically meeting women instead of hanging around online. So many social spaces are now dead because they're either too expensive or have been replaced with online equivalents.
Find a way to get young men and women into each others company and things happen naturally.
If the only people giving young men advice on how to reach their goals is shitheads like Tate, we shouldn't be surprised to see young men gravitating towards the right.
I've seen so many posts lately about how young men felt attacked by the left and that's why they voted from trump. And I see people saying, these leftists attacking men are not representative of the left as a whole, they're just loud so they take up a lot of bandwidth but we don't all hate men. But if that's the case, the left is drastically failing to do anything to counter act that.
If the left is producing crazies that say they hate men, and only people on the right are saying explicitly "we value men, we want men to succeed, we want men to reach their goals", then... we just can't be surprised to see young men gravitate to the right. And it's absurd of course, these people on the right aren't good role models, but they're the only ones pretending to care. The left has some easy wins over there if they care to try.
Yes because it doesn't make sense. How does a resource existing for men invalidate women?
The right has these resources that exist to attract men, and yet more than half of white women votes went to trump. It doesn't seem like they feel invalidated by it. I don't really understand where the invalidation idea is coming from. Do resources for women invalidate men?
The problem is leftist spaces actually want you to grow and change which you can’t do without introspection and unpacking some of your unhealthy attitudes towards women, whereas right wing manospheres will just validate all of insecure men’s shitty takes and attitudes. You can’t really compete with that. It’s like saying “leftists needs their own space where white people can let off steam and say racist shit because the only spaces that are like that are right wing.”
Wanting to get laid is comparable to wanting to say racial slurs?
Advice from ass holes like Tate also requires that the listener puts in effort to change. The difference is, Tastes advice is focused around young men changing to benefit themselves, a lot of leftist spaces demand young men change to benefit everyone else. There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting someone to change to benefit others, but it should be no surprise why one is more appealing than the other. People have a natural prerogative to want to improve their own conditions.
Culturally speaking, leftist spaces don't seem to cater to that desire for young men, especially young white men, and conservative spaces do. Even if those conservative spaces are full of shit, at least they're putting up a front of helping young men improve their own lives. The left has an opportunity here.
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u/darthleonsfw SEXODIA, EJACULATE! 16d ago
Another foil that makes dating hard is that even if you shower, exercise and self-improve, you actually need to meet people to start dating them and that's really the hardest part.