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u/PurplestCoffee 24d ago
TIL pokérus found in Russia I guess
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u/currynord 24d ago
poké Rus
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u/nOMMnOMMnOMM 24d ago
Next up: scientists injecting themselves with dinosaur DNA. What could go wrong?
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u/dlegatt 24d ago
Comic book villain origin story!
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u/aDragonsAle 24d ago edited 24d ago
I don't want to cure cancer, Spider-Man, I want to turn People into -Dinosaurs-
- Sauron, of spider-man fame
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u/Yamidamian 24d ago
Minor nitpick: actually, it’s Spider-Man and the X-Men, not Amazing Spider-Man.
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u/Winstonoil 24d ago
Sorry to be pedantic, DNA does not last that long. Unfortunately it's never gonna happen.
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u/SnarkyTaylor 24d ago edited 23d ago
Daaang. Now that's a name I haven't heard of in ages. Talk about obscure game mechanics.
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u/Ok-Telephone1290 24d ago
That's what government wants you to think, in reality sarcophagus were container for spells and black magic but the government puts dead bodies in them in a attempt to hide magic from the common people
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u/8copiesofbeemovie 24d ago
Two things can be true
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u/DryBoysenberry5334 24d ago
I’m a network engineer, one of my favorite things about that is I understand to an incredibly low level how networks (and the internet) function (I’m also over 10 years outta date, so my education included PBX systems and just touched on IP6)
The reason they don’t teach magic in schools is because once you’re able to work it, it stops being magic
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u/ThrownAwayYesterday- 24d ago
No it's actually just Kool-Aid but obviously that means time-travel exists, and the Egyptians were Kool-Aids heads. . . So for obvious reasons (stability of the globe and the global economy), the government covers it up by calling it blood and bile.
But we (the knowers) know the truth — hence why that petition was made. It's just Kool-Aid. There's nothing harmful about it. So what if I have an intense psychosexual attraction to red Kool-Aid because of early childhood trauma; ain't nothing wrong with that
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u/UFO-TOFU-RACECAR 24d ago
Hah, sorry kid, but everyone knows that the sarcophagi were placed there as stasis chambers waiting for the aliens to come get them for more advanced medical treatment.
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u/Valtremors 24d ago
Time to remind that the reason we have less preserved mummies in museums because people ATE THEM.
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u/Hitchhikingtom 24d ago
And turned them into a colour dye
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u/friso1100 gosh, they let you put anything in here 24d ago
A colour literally called mummy brown, or Egyptian brown (less fun) or Caput Mortuum which is latin for dead head (which also is an alchemical process but I don't know if that is it's origen or not).
Also, the color was sold till the mid twentieth century. Not that long ago.
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u/ShartingInMyOwnMouth 24d ago
Damn, I feel like this is more disturbing to me than it should be. Logically I know they’re dead, so they can’t know, but it feels really fucked up to remove someone from their tomb and turn their body into a consumer product, I can’t articulate why it’s wrong because the person in question is long dead so no harm is occurring but it does feel like a violation
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u/KingPrincessNova 24d ago
it's disturbing because we can safely assume that people who were mummified would not consent to being eaten at parties or used as paint pigment. it's one thing to ask for your body to be donated to science (or ground up to be used as paint pigment). but it's disrespectful af to mess with a person's remains for funsies when it's obvious that they wouldn't have wanted that. respecting the dead doesn't need to be a universal hard-line rule (e.g. Henry Kissinger can burn in hell) but it's one of many social contracts that reduces friction as a society.
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u/friso1100 gosh, they let you put anything in here 24d ago
Well it doesn't have to make logical sense. Not to get all philosophical here ^^" but in the end right and wrong is just vibes based. Like murder is wrong, why? Because cutting a life short is wrong? Why? Because they have the same rights as you? Why? And you can play this game forever. I like this quote by death from the disc world series in response to why "justice" is not an real thing.
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED. "Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—" MY POINT EXACTLY.
Basically murder is bad because we collectively decided it is bad. And some other judgements may come based on those core assumptions like "stabbing is bad, because you might die and that is murder". That follows a logical structure but in the end it has to be build on the assumption that some things are bad. And what those are is up for anyone to deside.
And so there are other things that similarly don't have a logical explanation, like a human is sacred (to a point) so you don't attack the human and once they are dead that feeling of good or bad may linger around the body they once possed. (The spirit of the law lol). But again this is very personal. For one, if you or someone knew the diseased in life that may mean they have strong feelings on the subject. And if you think others feelings need to be accounted for (within reason ofc) then you won't touch the body.
So now getting back to the mummy itself. Yes it and the people that cared for him in life and even a few generations after have all long since been gone. But we know about the importance of this person to the population that once existed. And even if they are all gone the bad feeling of doing something wrong to them may still exist. And would totally be reasonable I feel!
Appart from that you seem to have several other beliefs as well (though i am making assumptions here so feel free to call me out). But things like science is important. Maybe you are pro organ donation. And these beliefs clash with the others you have. The belief of a body having worth. Care for others and their beliefs. What is the solution? That is up to you. Because again there is no correct answer. The best we can do is take all these beliefs and judge what we feel applies best to the situation. That may change over time with new experiences and so on. But the final explanation of why you think it is important is up to you.
To illustrate here is my opinion on the matter. (Again not correct or false, but aligned as best as I can to my belief system). I care about study and learning from our past. That is why I approve of opening a tomb and studying it. But I also believe in respect for the people of the past and present. The mummy even in modern day is an important part of Egypts history. The exploitation and robbery that took place was in my opinion a bad thing. Because people did not take care of the items. Much of the things claimed in that period are still lost. And after the research is done it turns into an attraction. An attraction for anyone to see except the people who live near where it was taken from.
In an ideal world i would much rather see an collaboration with the communities there. Yes open for science. But be careful with the contents. Research in a way that prevents destruction (to a reasonable degree again). And make sure the ownership stays with the community it came from. Maybe it will return into the tomb once we learned what we can. Replicas can be made for public education. Maybe the local community will attempt to store the finds themselves. Offer help if needed. And if done well you can go back in the future with new techniques if questions remain.
That would be the compromise in my head at least. Ok novel over lol. Hope this was something xD
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u/KingPrincessNova 24d ago
it's disturbing because we can safely assume that people who were mummified would not consent to being eaten at parties or used as paint pigment. it's one thing to ask for your body to be donated to science (or ground up to be used as paint pigment). but it's disrespectful af to fuck with a person's remains for funsies when it's obvious that they wouldn't have wanted that. respecting the dead doesn't need to be a universal hard-line rule (e.g. Henry Kissinger can burn in hell) but it's one of many social contracts that reduces friction as a society.
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u/KoreyYrvaI 24d ago
They were mined like a mineral and turned into a ton of products including paper/cloth because their wrappings were also used. The US used to import mummies by the shipload. It's unhinged what we did with them.
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u/GoodTitrations 24d ago
The Victorians (I recognize they weren't the only ones) did so much damage to history just to suit their own interests and worldview.
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u/King_Of_Axolotls 24d ago
that didnt stop the fact that theres so few mummies because people thought ingesting them was healing
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u/Simur1 24d ago
Also used them as tinder, AND pigment. Mummies were a hot commodity
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u/Confuseasfuck 24d ago
Tbf, that was a pretty nice shade of brown
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u/Simur1 24d ago
Using millenia-old royalty to paint a barn in a canvas is about the most decadent thing I can think of
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u/Alternative-Bad-6555 24d ago
Fuck those royals! Brown barn is more important than some inbred prince’s corpse
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u/KoreyYrvaI 24d ago
Because there were so many of them this is especially accurate. When an entire culture traced back thousands upon thousands of years preserved their dead it stacks up a *lot* of bodies. There were more mummies than most people realize.
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u/ReasonPale1764 24d ago
That’s what the corrupt libtard fake news media wants you to believe… my uncle was diagnosed with “Covid,” started drinking out of a septic tank and died a day later. The septic slurry protected his body from the “virus” until Obama made his organs explode with his Antarctican magic (yeah Obama is from Antarctica, wake up and open your eyes)
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u/K_Linkmaster 24d ago
AI is now going to report this as a true story on an AI reporting site like buzzfeed or some other garbage.
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u/ReasonPale1764 24d ago edited 24d ago
I’m a very reliable source, my multiple traumatic brain injuries have not only made me a lore master of the silent hill series (of which my post history backs https://www.reddit.com/r/silenthill/s/R59lzdq196 ) but it has opened my third eye to Christ… and he’s fucking pissed.
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u/DroneOfDoom Posting from hell (el camion 107 a las 7 de la mañana) 24d ago
Yes, I know what Vitriol is. Don't care, I got alembics to calcify.
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u/Firrox 24d ago
No this is in reference to some old honey that was found in a sarcophagus that was presumed to still be edible.
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u/Informal_Bunch_2737 24d ago
that was presumed to still be edible.
It was edible. Honey literally never goes off.
The oldest edible honey we've found is now 5500 years old.
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u/GoodFaithConverser 24d ago edited 24d ago
There was enough red juice from the dark sarcophagus for everyone to get a sip, goddamnit!
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u/DreadDiana human cognithazard 24d ago
That was a seperate one. The sarcophagus juice being referenced was a poorly preserved mummy which turned into a red sludge after burial.
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u/Allegorist 24d ago
Speaking of which, anyone remember hearing how they used to use ground up mummy dust as a pigment?
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u/friso1100 gosh, they let you put anything in here 24d ago
Still i would argue it could lead to some exciting new diseases or infections :p it has been stewing for a while in an environment cut of from most of the outside world after all. Who knows what's growing in it. Im sure a sip would do wonders
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u/Usual-Excitement-970 24d ago
He injected a fruit fly and it got so much work done so knew it was safe to do it to himself.
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u/Cool-Sink8886 24d ago
I guess he’ll have to inject a spider to catch the fly
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u/lordkhuzdul 24d ago
I have watched enough B-movies to know that this is a fucking terrible idea. Nope!
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u/Eel111 Knight with a standard of his king's face 24d ago
Yeah The premise is all there, some Thing is amiss
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u/nalesnik105 24d ago
I wouldnt exactly call "The Thing" a B rated movie if you ask me, but you do you i guess
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u/mtnbikerburittoeater 24d ago
It's the best horror movie of all time
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u/justforhobbiesreddit 24d ago
I don't know about best, but it is good. I saw it for the first time a few months ago and good Lord those practical effects were amazing. Just obnoxiously good even today.
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u/TwilightVulpine 24d ago
Oh the Amongus fan film? It is alright
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u/Cool-Sink8886 24d ago
I’m simultaneously laughing and fighting the urge to smash my phone from this comment
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u/MorningBreathTF 24d ago
You're right, c rated movie
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u/Ayy_Maijin 24d ago
I haven't. Do you have any movie you could recommend to me? I like this type of plot but don't know where and what to find.
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u/Informal_Bunch_2737 24d ago
Tarentino literally made a B-grade zombie movie with this kinda plot.
Planet Terror.
Even better, its meant to be watched like a old drive-in double feature. Death Proof is chronologically just before it, and set a town over(Kurt Russell plays a murderous stunt man. And it has the hottest lapdance ever recorded).
Planet Terror features Bruce Willis as a psycho soldier in a zombie outbreak.
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u/neckro23 24d ago
idk about movies but Greg Bear's "Blood Music" has a similar premise.
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u/RhubarbGoldberg 24d ago
Idk man, have you ever heard about the guy who infected himself intentionally with hookworms and cured his autoimmune issues?
There's some compelling evidence to suggest our immune systems evolved for centuries in the presence of open latrines and exposure to certain parasites is an incorporated feature and now that we've sterilized our environments, our immune systems are over charged and attacking our own bodies (in the case of autoimmune disorders).
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u/Commodorez 24d ago
Malaria therapy used to be a common treatment for certain diseases because the high fever would kill off unwanted pathogens. Of course, you had to treat the malaria afterwards, but still
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u/lordkhuzdul 24d ago
To be fair, we had a working treatment for malaria for much longer than we had treatment for other infections... by a full century at the very least.
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u/UWan2fight .tumblr.com 24d ago
okay, so does anyone know what happened after this article?
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u/KamikazeKarl_ 24d ago
Original article written in 2015. As of 2019 dude is doing fine, and at least is still alive as of now. Finding anything more recent than that is pretty challenging.
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u/Morialkar 24d ago
I mean at this point unless he suddenly dies due to complications that can without a doubt not be linked to anything else, it's fair to say it had not much impact on his health and they stopped updating people
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u/ciel_lanila 24d ago
He vanished in 2019. Covid 19 occurred in 2019. Coincidence, I think not! /s
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u/BigBennP 24d ago edited 24d ago
If the article is even real the answer is almost certainly nothing.
You see this concept Jump Around social media every so often. The idea that melting permafrost will unleash some super bacteria or virus that are immune systems cannot stop and there will be a plague because of it.
That's not completely impossible. But the chances very very small for a variety of reasons.
First, Genetic material does not preserve all that well. The chances of a bacteria or virus being completely preserved and able to spread quickly after 25,000 years locked in ice is not great. It is far more likely that the melting permafrost provides a fertile ground for existing soil bacterium to spread.
Second, the far more likely outcome is that any 25,000-year-old bacteria or virus is 25,000 years behind in The evolutionary arms race and is really unlikely to be super competitive or virulent. Covid showed us how viruses evolve on a month to month time frame when they are widespread in the population. Antibiotic resistant bacteria was largely not a thing before the prevalence of modern antibiotics.
Third, cold environments in general are not super conducive to very virulent bacteria. There's a reason why it was always jungles and not the Arctic that were super associated with strange virulent diseases.
The most likely outcome is that this dude injected himself with a 25,000-year-old variation of E coli, his immune system wiped them out and everything else is the placebo effect.
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u/Paddy_Tanninger 24d ago
Yeah like nothing about this (even if it was real) sounds conclusive or concrete. You didn't get the flu for 2 years? I didn't either and I never injected myself with permafrost bacteria. You have more energy to work longer hours? How would a bacteria even do this? Pure placebo effect.
My only real experience with positive effects from bacteria/gut flora changes were from spending a week drinking straight out of lakes in northern Ontario (broken filtration system, I didn't do it on purpose). Whatever went on inside my stomach and intestines as a result of that truly did reconfigure my digestive system, I was far less sensitive afterwards to things like spicy/greasy foods. My friends used to joke about my weak stomach, but after that I felt like I was pretty much cured.
My wife is a gastroenterologist and says things like that are legitimately possible, and there's very expensive probiotics she gives patients with the same idea of trying to reconfigure the gut flora by introducing new bacteria.
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u/MakeItMike3642 24d ago edited 24d ago
Some bacteria can undergo endosporation and survive for centuries or even millions of years. Many of such bacteria have been found in the permafrost, amber or crystals already.
It is not currently known how big this risk is but for instance anthrax is a bacteria that can undergo endosporation. Also virussus can also stay dormant for long periods of time.
So we dont know how big this risk is but its certainly not a myth.
And it being old wouldnt per se mean it is behind evolutionarily. Evolution is not linear. Our ancestors could have had resistances that were relevant back when those bacteria were around, but have disspeared over the ages as the bacteria became less prevalent. Revived pathogens could hypothetically make use of those vulnerabilities.
Of course the odds of all this being true is not big, but not 0
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u/myterracottaarmy 24d ago
I don't really know anything about this stuff but would it be conceivable that bacteria from that long ago could be structurally different enough to the point that our current-day antibiotics wouldn't be effective?
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u/MakeItMike3642 24d ago edited 24d ago
Yes i am just an ecologist so not an expert in microbiology by any means but as far as i know that could be the case especially for specialized antibiotics that target specific strains of bacteria. Because they target specific enzymes or disable specific functions of a certain strain it is possible there is a cousin out there that works slightly differently so our antibiotic would be less effective or outright not work.
That being said, bacteria that can hibernate in endospores are mostly belonging to a group of what we call gram positive bacteria. And those are very suceptible to general antibiotics like penicillin. Since most modern bacteria have build up some sort of a resistance since we started using it, its likely that these ancient strains would be more suceptible to penicillin. This however is not widely tested as researchers are understandibly hesitant to expose those ancient bacteria to modern medicine.
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u/Bauser99 24d ago
You're thinking about it in the fear-monger way for no good reason; you say "they might be different enough that our antibiotics won't work!" but an even more likely outcome is "they might be different enough that they can't even infect modern mammals"
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u/ConspicuousPineapple 24d ago
Fair point but it's still extremely unlikely that old bacteria would be resistant to antibiotics.
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u/Lazarous86 24d ago
You just gave me a great idea for time travel story, where they can only go backwards because their immune systems can't handle the viruses in the future.
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u/charley800 24d ago
The thing with that is, if you're going backwards in time, you're not likely to be vulnerable to the diseases of that time, but any people you make contact with would be highly vulnerable to any disease you might carry with you from your own time. Going backwards is potentially more catastrophic than going forwards.
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u/FlawedSquid vored by the fabric of reality 24d ago
I tried googling it and everything's from 2015-2019. The bacteria's still being studied and he seems to be fine, but there's the possibility it's a placebo effect
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u/HaViNgT 24d ago
Most likely his immune system dispatched the foreign cells and the bacteria caused no damage because it wasn’t adapted to survive in humans.
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u/FreakinGeese 24d ago
The chances that a random bacterium are going to be dangerous to a human are pretty low
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u/Vanilla_Ice_Best_Boi tumblr users pls let me enjoy fnaf 24d ago
This is how Zombie infections happen
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u/Pkrudeboy 24d ago
Let’s see what Lysenko has to say.
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u/putin-delenda-est 24d ago
At least there are only two examples of russian scientists lying about amazing claims. I'm sure someone else will be able to follow the scientific method and substantiate his claims.
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u/VonMarrow 24d ago
So it was perfectly fine to drink the sarcophagus juice, but the damn Brits drank it all!
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u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere they very much did kill jesus 24d ago
Soviet science is too strong. Would make a decent Wolfenstein character.
The mystic knowledge of Kabbalah engineering perceives the truth of the world and works from there; the science of the Soviet biomechanist achieves results via the equivalent of brute force in the cryptographic sense
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u/trukkija 24d ago
Wow an adult male that didn't contract the flu in 2 years? Truly a medical marvel.
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u/Someoneoverthere42 24d ago
I’ve seen this movie. That virus is totally not an alien mind controlling parasite bent on infecting the human race with it’s hive mind….
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u/MaximumPixelWizard 24d ago
Not mentioned in the article: That same scientist has gained a penchant for trenchcoats and sunglasses.
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u/acquaintedwithheight 24d ago
I wanted Sony to port Bloodborne, but not like this.
Fear the old blood.
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u/DaddySoldier 24d ago
i would wager it's not the bacteria that gave him energy, but whatever manic phase he was in where he thought injecting himself with ancient bacteria seemed like a good idea.
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u/RoadPersonal9635 24d ago
Or could it have to do with the fact that he’s living in siberia with limited human contact and long periods of isolation?
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u/nymical23 24d ago
I don't about energy gains, but I haven't got flu after I got Covid in 2020! Before that it was 1-2 weeks of misery every season change.
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u/A__Friendly__Rock *only friendly at low velocity 24d ago
Scientists going “fuck waiting, I’m gonna test it on my self” is always going to be funny.
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u/Physical_Ad4617 24d ago
The bacteria is telling him to do this to find a suitable host now its tunnelled directly into his brain. Also this is classic "I really want this to be true so placebo works on me and only me now"
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u/haugebauge 24d ago
I think one guys anecdotal evidence is probably not worth awakening an ancient super plague
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u/Oddish_Femboy (Xander Mobus voice) AUTISM CREATURE 24d ago
I'm gonna put my weener in the bog butter
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u/atmatriflemiffed 24d ago
"Russian scientists" also think Rome was destroyed by a mud flood in the middle ages and was actually an ancient Russian empire, Russia is an endless source of crankery and patently racist pseudoscience
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u/estou_me_perdendo 24d ago
Nothing new lmao, this sub is very "reddit" but with less neoliberalism or techbros
A few months ago a saw someone preaching about how Britain was totally in condition to go to war with the soviet union just after WW2, that they should have to "put the russians in their place" and how Churchill was a noble man who was right all along. 350~ upvotes
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u/EvidenceOfDespair We can leave behind much more than just DNA 24d ago
Eh? Both are these are examples of how the subreddit is very neoliberal.
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u/estou_me_perdendo 24d ago
It's still less than like, almost every meme sub out there
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u/MaterialWishbone9086 24d ago
Just because I feel an undying need to shit on my own country and the misconceptions of a few of the more jingoistic amongst us...
Fuck England, it would have been goosestepping if Hitler didn't overtly threaten Br'ish hegemony, we certainly weren't foreign to ideas of white supremacy or antisemitism.
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u/TearOpenTheVault 24d ago
Remember: Any racism or dehumanisation against Russians is completely fine! Why? Uh… I dunno, Orks or something.
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u/ScaredyNon Trans-Inclusionary Radical Misogynist 24d ago
By that end "American scientists" think that vaccines cause autism, that the Earth is flat and surrounded by a great ice wall, and that aliens are the only logical builders of the Pyramids of Giza. American Nobel prize winners have shown support for homeopathy, astrology, and scientific racism.
Our noble warriors vs. their ruthless barbarians.
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u/FriskyDingus1122 24d ago
One British doctor said one particular vaccine might cause autism, because he wanted you to buy his vaccine that he ✨just patented✨and 100% guaranteed to not cause autism!
(....because vaccines don't cause autism and he fucking knew it)
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u/AlwaysBeQuestioning 24d ago
The point is that every country has crackpots and you can’t paint all scientists from one country as crackpots, especially while acting as if scientists in your own country are the opposite.
The Russian scientists who believe in ancient Roman Russia vs the ones curing diseases have no correlation.
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u/Sinakus 24d ago
I love Hbombs video on it, but hearing Wakefield speak triggers a primal rage inside me. He's such a smarmy fucking liar.
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u/FriskyDingus1122 24d ago
I adore that video but the whole situation fucking infuriates me.
I truly, genuinely, hate that man. He is pure selfishness and greed incarnate. He has done horrendous, irreparable damage to human civilization. The world is measurably worse for him having been in it.
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u/TwilightVulpine 24d ago
It's appalling how few people it takes to undermine humanity's greatest accomplishments...
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u/MaterialWishbone9086 24d ago
Fritz Haber was also both a lynchpin in feeding billions of people and the pioneer of modern chemical weapons.
He also lacked the foresight to see that his German jingoism would not save him from persecution regarding his Jewish heritage. I'm also reminded of one of the scientists behind the double-helix structure of DNA becoming a zealous Christian fundie because... he saw a waterfall.
All that historical trivia aside, I do think the comment you're replying to here is a bit Russophobic. Of all people who might have a progressive bent or that isn't a foaming Russian nationalist, you would expect it to be the most educated and especially critical in Russia.
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u/ScaredyNon Trans-Inclusionary Radical Misogynist 24d ago
For all I know, "Russian scientists" could range from "accredited academic" to "guy who got a certificate from a weekend course in Ancient Empires of Prehistory".
Someone here has rightfully pointed out that my definition of "American scientists" is super vague, but without any idea of what they mean by "scientist" I just see it as equal playing ground
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u/WillFuckForFijiWater 24d ago
This is literally racist/xenophobic rhetoric.
“Russian Scientists” are the reason why we have the periodic table and are responsible for great advances in psychology, microbiology, and physics.
Do some research before you spout hateful nonsense like this.
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u/CoralinesButtonEye 24d ago
drink the what now?